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#1 Raizel00

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Posted 02 July 2015 - 05:22 PM

So I still see people mention full WW set when they talk about DMG of arrow storm but wouldn't a non WW set out DMG especially now with Hawkeye enchant?
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Posted 02 July 2015 - 05:26 PM

Hm, care to give an example?


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Posted 02 July 2015 - 05:49 PM

Not many items increase ranged DMG
Headgear: +9 Autumn Hairband(with whatever you want) or +9 Vana Helm(carat to increase sp or whatever you want)
Mid headgear:BDM/BFG/etc with incubus or w/e
Lower Headgear:Pencil/Pirate/long Octo
Weapon:+9 or higher BXB/Elven(AS,AK,ETC)
Armor: +9 or higher WW suit ea enchant
Garment:+9 FAW Ea 10 Menblatt
Boots:Temp Dex EA 4 HE or w/e boot Hawkeye
Accessory: Sound AMP,Bako,ETC

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Posted 02 July 2015 - 06:23 PM

Yeah, but using AS won't proc HE. So you'll need to auto-attack until HE procs, then AS.. once... because HE only lasts 5s, and AS has a 3s cooldown. That HE itself will costs 50sp/s, so it'll be 250sp for 5s of activation.

 

In total, you'll be using ~300sp or more if you're using BXB, to do a single AS XD

 

 


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Posted 02 July 2015 - 06:29 PM

Hawkeye procs on skills or you mean as not reliable to proc?
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Posted 02 July 2015 - 06:42 PM

Oh it does? I never managed to proc it with AS before. XD

But yeah, kinda unreliable, if you ask me..
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Posted 02 July 2015 - 06:55 PM

It might be possible, but remember this. A WW Set is cheap as chips and insanely powerful.


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Posted 02 July 2015 - 07:02 PM

No limit is +250% ranged damage.Skill bonus from ww set doesn't stack additively, but multiplicative instead.Ranged bonuses from gears though stack additively. Thats why ww set is still OP.

 

Hawkeye for AS is sooo situational. You can one shot any monster with or withour ww set anyway. When you deal with mvps, you can't just rely on procs. Woe environment also.


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Posted 02 July 2015 - 07:02 PM

You know I could be wrong though I said with confidence those video I watched where AS Proc Hawkeye were from TWRO and I sometimes forget custom edits on that server haven't tried to proc with AS on this server

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Posted 02 July 2015 - 07:49 PM

All temporal enchants should proc from skills
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Posted 02 July 2015 - 07:50 PM

All temporal enchants should proc from skills

 

They can, it's just a low chance with AS because 1 AS counts as 1 shot not 1 shot per mob. I did one day get lucky and not only proc Luck Day, but scored 2x Treasure Boxes from the pack ;D


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Posted 02 July 2015 - 08:08 PM

I thought arrow storm is 3 hits. But oh well it's not like its that big of a difference lol.
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Posted 02 July 2015 - 08:15 PM

Illustrated as in 3 hit but its 1 big deal in fact.

I think the bigger the mob is the higher the chance to trigger an effect. At least, for RWH its like that no?


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Posted 02 July 2015 - 08:17 PM

Illustrated as in 3 hit but its 1 big deal in fact.

I think the bigger the mob is the higher the chance to trigger an effect. At least, for RWH its like that no?

 

Don't believe so, well not for Temp Enchants anyways.

 

But yes it is 1 Big Hit illustrated as 3 hits.

 

I say that because when 1 shotting Mistress she is dead before the numbers fully accumulate.


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Posted 02 July 2015 - 09:07 PM

@ Nirvanna21 and @ zefram: If I've got a budget of around 300-350m and want to invest in my newly made AS Ranger, what should I purchase? and if you guys suggest WW set, what cards would you'll suggest in the WW suit and WW boots? I'm guessing Firelock for the boots? 

Also, in terms of BXB , what upgrade level should I aim for with a moderate budget? +4 /+7 /+9 etc??

 

Thanks for the help in advance..  :thx:


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Posted 02 July 2015 - 09:24 PM

Well a bxb any upgrade will take all your money and you want +9 bxb so it has better DMG than elven when carded.
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Posted 02 July 2015 - 09:34 PM

Ww set gives 50% as damage and 30% ranged damage iirc?

replacing garment and shoes opens up about 47~48% ranged damage worth of hidden enchants/menblatt card. (20% for enchants on faw, 5-6% for faws baked in power, 12% for menblatt card, 10% for temp boots).

17~18% more ranged won't come even close to what +50% as damage does, so you can imagine wws will be around 1.5x stronger than just wearing elite ranged gears.

Aim for +9. BxB while we have mrs hammer npc. You need +9 if youre going to use firelock. the bow and the armor should be priority for your upgrades, not the shoes, and you have low budget :( so maybe a verit card until you can afford to make superior ww boots.

Edited by Jaye, 02 July 2015 - 09:40 PM.

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Posted 02 July 2015 - 10:02 PM

@ Jaye: firstly, thanks for the advice.

if i understand you correctly, I should start buy getting the whole +0 WW set & get a BXB & upgrade it to +9? Starting with the BXB & the boots, right?

Also, could you share a post that discusses about Mrs Hammer, iRO wasn't very helpful.. /sob
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Posted 02 July 2015 - 10:16 PM

Also, could you share a post that discusses about Mrs Hammer, iRO wasn't very helpful.. /sob

 

mrs hammer is actually the same as enriched hammer. The only difference is that she doesnt take money when upgrading your stuff using enriched ores. She is located in eden 2nd floor if youre looking for her.

 

http://forums.warppo...th-maintenance/

 

http://irowiki.org/w...finement_System


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Posted 03 July 2015 - 12:50 AM

@ Jaye: firstly, thanks for the advice.

if i understand you correctly, I should start buy getting the whole +0 WW set & get a BXB & upgrade it to +9? Starting with the BXB & the boots, right?

Also, could you share a post that discusses about Mrs Hammer, iRO wasn't very helpful.. /sob

 

If your budget is 300-350M, my advice would be to not get BXB.

 

Instead, get these:

- +9 White Wing Suit (~120-140M)

- +9 White Wing Manteau (~120-140M)

- White Wing Boots (3.2M)

- White Wing Brooch (3.2M)

- Elven Bow (15M)

- Incubus Pet (12M)

- Sound Amplifier or +9 the Elven Bow with the remaining zeny.

 

While BXB is great at +9 and higher, a clean BXB is roughly 200M.

 

Getting the white wing suit to +9 gives you additional +18% ranged damage (2%/refine lv) and the option of Ranged Type at Mora Village.

 

Similarly, a +9 WW Manteau gives the option of Atk Type at Mora Village. Those enchants will be better in improving your damage output than a highly refined BXB.

 

irowiki.org/wiki/Mora_Enchants  (see +9 Enchantments option 2)


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Posted 03 July 2015 - 02:09 AM

how much is +9 BXB with as any ways?


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Posted 03 July 2015 - 02:16 AM

200m plus minus 40m depending on the seller.


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Posted 03 July 2015 - 05:46 AM

200m plus minus 40m depending on the seller.

 

That's a +0. Not a +9


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Posted 03 July 2015 - 06:45 AM

@ Jaye: firstly, thanks for the advice.

if i understand you correctly, I should start buy getting the whole +0 WW set & get a BXB & upgrade it to +9? Starting with the BXB & the boots, right?

Also, could you share a post that discusses about Mrs Hammer, iRO wasn't very helpful.. /sob

 

1. Upgrade the BxB if you have it already

 1.b If you don't have the BxB, get an Elven bow. +7 is fine.

2. Upgrade the SUIT first, every refine is +2% range damage!

3. verit-carded boots

3. Other gears you may want (sound amps? etc)

4. Enchanting/breaking gears to get better enchants

5. Worry about upgrading Shoes to superior

6. Upgrading anything else (for DEF)


Edited by Jaye, 03 July 2015 - 06:47 AM.

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Posted 03 July 2015 - 03:59 PM

Superior (Firelock) can be expensive if you're budget constrained and it's usually not critical to your damage.

 

Get gold acidus if you wish to raise your HP/SP pool. +8% MHP/MSP and +5% HP/SP recovery if your boots is +4 or lower. Pretty decent :D


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