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[surferboy]

i've been working on developing a relatively powerful wizard for the last few months. he's 90x now, but with the release of renewal and judging from the feedback of my most trusted online cohorts, the wizard class (and indeed all matck classes) are now practically not even worth training when compared against hideously powerful WoE and PVP classes such as RG and RK.

so i've decided to create what looks to be one of the most useful, practical, and powerful classes that renewal has to offer. i want to create a rg, and i'm going to start today. i need to know which build is best, in order to take advantage of reflect in a few months when i go 3rd class, which stats to start with, and which skills to invest in. none of the online resources seem to be up to date, so i've decided to return to my old boards in the hopes that somebody could take a few minutes aside to help me. i play on valkyrie, and might be willing to gift one of the *very* valuable items that i have recovered to somebody who is willing to share their opinion.

[Gn1ydnu]

Honestly I think the 4x 100 build is best and most veritile. You will be able to solo things like Nyd and still be able to reflect level (only great until level 120, then OB is better).

All base stats...

100 str
100 dex
100 agi
100 vit

This is a great basic outline. From here you can modify the numbers based on job bonus's and the use you want. My personal idea of this would be to get the skills... (Not in ANY particular order, but I'd get reflect first /no1).

Moonslasher 3 (pre req, but funny skill)
Overbrand 5 (leveling skill)
Vanishing point 10 (MVP/WoE/PVP main attack skill)
Vanguard 1 (pre req, although you can cut OB or Insperation to max this for more Max HP)
Burst attack 1 (pre req)
Banding 1 (banding = important and not just because my guild is "Band of Guards")
Piety 5 (pre req, save money and not buy AR)
RoG 4 (pre req)
Shield Press 3 (great skill)
Shield Spell 3 (2nd best skill)
Insperation 5 (unless you want to go support then every RG, IMHO, should have this. This makes solo MVPing VERY real for RG's)
Reflect 3 (yup)
Earth Drive 2 (useful)

Later on if you want to get rid of OB (once your 150 and don't need to do massive mob for leveling) that will free up 8 skill points. I am planning on this since Shield Press + PPA + Vanishing Point are the only skills I plan on using to kill people with. With the free 8 points I would max shield press (2 more skill points) and max Vanguard (4 more) for more hp/melee damage.

For pally (again this is a very NON support character, a great all around offensive character that is capable of great solo'ing abilities) skills I'd go with

Spear master max
Spear quicken max
Guard 5
Smite 3
Shield Boom 3
Defending Aura 5
Peco + calv mastery max
Faith 10
Shield reflect 5
Holy cross 6
GC 5

And for Swordman

HP recov 10
Bash 10
Voke 10
Endure 10
Mag break 1~9

Now lets break down the stats and why they are what they are for the skills on here...

High str: Obviously for damages

High AGI: With only 100 base agi your PPA wont be supper crazy high damage, but it will still be very decent. You will primarily be using PPA 3 for a 50% chance to break people's shields and with the 100 base (plus more from buffs and job bonus) you will get good damage off of PPA. The high ASPD you will achieve from 100 agi will help with your spamming of Vanishing Point (main offensive skill). Vanishing Point is as spamable as your aspd and the best wep for it is a Glorious Spear (at +9 get +10% aspd and then add on spear quicken +100 agi = hot aspd: Assulter Spear will give more aspd but has 50 (i think) less ATK). Also gives ASPD for emp breaking.

High VIT: Kind of obvious

High Dex: Need to hit lol.

Now a more "real" stat build... (NO GEARS OR BUFFS INCLUDED: PLEASE ADJUST BASED ON DEFAULT GEARS OR IF YOU WILL BE PERMA FOOD'D)

Str: 85+5 = 90 (you will get enough +atk from SS1 and Insperation)
Agi: 95+5 = 100 (immunity, not going to number crunch aspd but it will be high 180's and with specific gears can most likely hit 190)
Dex: 95+5 = 100 (good hit)
Vit: 95+5 = 100 (no stun and decent mhp)
Luk: 58+5 = 63 (some resistance to nasty spells, Luk adds more hit/atk and is useful)
Int: 35+5 = 40 (you will need unfrozen or glorious set but 40 for decent blue potion regain since RG's blow through sp like nothing)

Again please adjust everything to fit your needs. Biggest debate right now is "If Insperation is worth it". I have a feeling that the people that say no (and I'm also positive people will be posting this soon) have never used Insperation. A good example of Insperation is a character I made (soon baby RG) named "Insperation = Cocaine" lol. You can only use it once every 10 min, it will take 0.1% of your exp away (if your at 0% or 150 it doesn't take exp). The plus side is you will have 90 seconds (a min and a half) of "god mode". You will get (at lvl 150) bonus's to HP (+49% MHP), +20 all stats, +70 hit, and most important +300 ATK (which does stack with SS1's +130 for total of "free" +430 ATK before gear and stats come into effect). So in my honest opinion: If you want to be able to solo and be self sufficient and be offensive then insperation is for you. If you want to be support character then this whole post is not for you and just get 120 vit 120 int and 77 luk and sac 5.

You will also see I did not put RS 5 into the skill setup. Gloomy + RS is very powerful, yes, but I rather take DA 5 since sooooo many 1 hit kill moves are ranged (80% less from ranged is truly awesome). Also no GD 5, the damage isn't great now (2k) but the 40% sp drain is awesome. However with a glorious spear at +9 you can easily still do GD 5's to people with the hot ASPD you'll get.

Hopefully this helps and I'm still new on valk (Loki/Ymir player for 7 years O_O or something). I don't think this is enough info for the "valuable" item (unless its varriant or nyd garb XD) =P but if you ever need to get rid of crap let me know!!! lol If you want to talk in game I'm on Gniydnu (my only character on valk). However if I don't respond right away its probably because I'm on a HEBM and trying to get the most out of it, its not because I dislike you.


EDIT: Forgot about reflect leveling. You can cut banding out for now or whatever you want to cut 2 skill points from to get reflect 5. You will need a nueralizer after you use reflect leveling to the fullest extent. Reflect is really good for 99~117ish (120 rounded) at Jups. After that you can really do much better at other places with OB.

For leveling as a Crusader or Pally please check and read the thread "Meh Agi Sader". As a Pally you can level off RS fast if your willing to blow through thousands of blue potions/yggs.

Edited by Gn1ydnu, 31 December 2010 - 12:47 PM.

[surferboy]

this was incredibly detailed and helpful. thank you so much for taking the time to write out such a well thought out, informative, and articulated response! i really appreciate it.

[Gn1ydnu]

I did mess up on 1 thing (and the wiki needs to fix it asap).

RG job bonus is: at job 50

+6 Str
+2 Agi
+5 Vit
+9 Int
+6 Dex
+2 Luk

Also if you have any specific goals for your RG then please post and maybe I can work with you to find out the right build for you.

[Hilmeros]

I did mess up on 1 thing (and the wiki needs to fix it asap).

RG job bonus is: at job 50

+6 Str
+2 Agi
+5 Vit
+9 Int
+6 Dex
+2 Luk

Also if you have any specific goals for your RG then please post and maybe I can work with you to find out the right build for you.

I'm too currently building my future RG. And I'm aiming for the type of build you mention. How would you say I should build the stat points as I go along?

Current stats:
str: 46+4
agi: 76+9
dex: 50+10


Cheers

EDIT: Also, I haven't played RO for a long time. And I'm not familiar with the different battlegrounds. At what level and so fourth would you recommened one to start saving for a Glorious Spear?

Edited by Hilmeros, 02 January 2011 - 08:27 AM.

[Gn1ydnu]

I'm too currently building my future RG. And I'm aiming for the type of build you mention. How would you say I should build the stat points as I go along?

Current stats:
str: 46+4
agi: 76+9
dex: 50+10

Well I use to play Ymir and have 2 (and a half) RG's there. Problem for me, for answering your question, is I didn't need to level up and worry about how to distribute stat points. Add in the fact that I am (lucky) comfortable enough to afford enough KP's to reset whenever I want/need to. Now I started with nothing on valk and still only have 1 character (which will be RG). By doing this I hope to learn the valuable information about distributing stat points and more info on leveling up most effectively (as sader/pally and later RG). When I do get this info I will write a very lengthy guide for you guys (on par or exceeding Azzys great LK guides).

For right now I can only offer base advise... If your other stats are all 1's then you should be level 73 (non trans'd). For Sader/Pally life (unless your not on iRO) do NOT worry about incorporating your RG stats into your builds. Just focus on getting to be a RG and once you are a RG then do a reset. If the 1 time free stat reset NPC is still in game by then, then use that and save the use of that NPC for once your RG.

Your str seems high enough to me, I would work on getting AGI to 90+ and if your having trouble hitting monsters simply add dex as needed. I don't know how your leveling or what resources are available (lots of zeny your willing to spend? Lots of KP your willing to spend? Old fashion way?). Since you already have decent dex I would think a crit build may not be best for you (if your planning on saving free reset for RG). I would get a bit of int and then buy a crap load (or as needed) light blue potions (or WoE box if you take alot of damages) and just bash/hc spam to 99. I regret not doing that as a crusader and I'm planning on it as a pally.

And I'm not familiar with the different battlegrounds. At what level and so fourth would you recommened one to start saving for a Glorious Spear?

This is honest so it might hurt =X. To get a glorious spear you need to farm KVM (NPC located near the spawn point in pront if you saved at south karfa). When you win a KVM match you will get some horribly low number of medals (3 or 5?). Then there is a 5 min cool down so it will take you months (literally) of farming to get 2000 KVM badges for the wep. Since your farming or battleing it will cost you zeny in supplies and suck up a -_-load of actual time invested (i.e. not leveling ect). Your better off waiting for lucky box events (like the one now until Thursday) and spending RL money to get the badges. Also the KVM armor is one of the best armors in the game. It will give you 7% less damage from demihumans (reduction is more important then defense) and will also give you +20% more HP. Armor is 800ish badges.

If you don't want to spend RL money or don't want to spend months farming you can always get an assulter spear. The spear has the same +% modifiers and same defense bypassing as glorious spear, but it has 50 less attack. The Assulter Spear also gives +20% aspd (regardless of what the upgrade is) where as the glorious gives +10% aspd at +9. This is done through TG battle grounds and only takes 100 medals (you win a match you get 3 lose get 1 medal). Or another alternative would be a battle hook which would be useful until you can get either of the other 2 spears.

Also you can't really buy glorious stuff from players =/. Unless they mess up durring a maint again and allow people to temporarily vend KVM badges, which were sold at like 400k per. Or 800 million zeny for 2000 kvm badges.

[CCCP]

Quieck question, what's the best weapon for a agi sader? 1 handed spear or two handed spear?

[Hilmeros]

Quieck question, what's the best weapon for a agi sader? 1 handed spear or two handed spear?

I don't know if you can't say what's best. I'm currently using two-handed. But I will switch to one-handed once I become a Royal Guard (hunting spear and in the long run - Glorious Spear).

My current weapon is: Crescent Scythe, really good with high crit for all-round killing. Also I use "Very very strong element lance's".

[EvilLoynis]

Quieck question, what's the best weapon for a agi sader? 1 handed spear or two handed spear?

I think Crescent Scythe, a 2Handed Spear is the best for most of the game as it has +30% Crit rate and quite a decent attack. Of course HellFire is better atk wise but has the limitation of being Fire property and no xtra critical rate.

2 Handed Spears are generally better for leveling and so forth due to the higher atk rate on most of them. Not to mention the fact that if you go Agility build you shouldn't be getting hit enough to make it really bad.

[Gn1ydnu]

Spear choice is all situational. Typically speaking...

2 hand spears are generally used when your killing 1 monster at a time. Some of the best choices are...

Cresant Scythe- +10% to hit and a bunch of crit = hot. Also 180 ATK, can be slotted, and wep level 4 really adds a punch.

Anophsomethingorother- Defense bypassing spear thats obviously great for fighting things with a ton of defense. Also works best vs large targets because of the chance to cast pierce

Zeph- Wind property, can have 3 slots.

1 hand spears are generally used when your killing by mobbing and doing AoE's: This is more geared towards RG's. Also by wearing a shield you suffer a loss of 5 ASPD.

Glorious Spear- Best for pvp/woe (except for EB)

Assault Spear- Good for pvp/woe

Hunting Spear- Heavy and good

Battle Hook- Good, 140 ATK (I believe) and also wep level 4 + a slot. Also great for leveling with pierce on large monsters (pally/RG only though)

Long Horn- Slotted, holy property, and decent attack (again only pally/rg)

There are is a new spear coming out soon that will be the new "best" all around. I forget the name but either a bit of research or wait for somebody to post it for more info. If your just a crusader then I would highly recommended a Cresant Scythe for a good general leveling spear, even if your not crit build. Having started fresh on valk a few weeks ago I found that I used Cresant Scyhe (+7 with SS card) about 90% of the time (non RG) and a +9 glorious the other 10% (mostly testing % chance for GD 5, which I think is 10%). I am very excited to go GH soon with the glorious...

[Hilmeros]

What is the ultimate equipment for this type of royal guard. Say I've got ALOT of zeny, what should I aim for?

EDIT: for PvM, please feel free to give me advice for WoE and PvP aswell, but firstly PvM.

Edited by Hilmeros, 05 January 2011 - 04:33 PM.

[Gn1ydnu]

There are a lot of issues that come up with this. Different aspects of PVM call for different weps. Also defining "a lot" of zeny is hard. To me "a lot" of zeny means having mule accounts (not characters) with max zeny on all characters, and yes people have this. Anyways, if you had a lot of zeny I would guess you'd be able to afford elemental converters for your cresant scythe instead of using vvs lances

There is no "ultimate" equips besides all god gears. It really depends completely on your character and how you play it. Describing best gears for pvp/woe is a lot easier then PVM, since in woe your only worried about demi humans and not all the other types =/. If there was a right answer then everybody would already be doing it.

EDIT: For PVM I honestly think Ridword hat + Tjungkuletti + that 10 sp armor would be best for melee skill spamming. I can't wait to try this out http://forums.warppo...tyle_emoticons/default/happy.gif

Edited by Gn1ydnu, 05 January 2011 - 07:46 PM.

[surferboy]

i just bought my sader a crescent scythe... amazing weapon. amazing. the attack is high, yes, but what really seals the deal is the crit bonus. i hit critical like once every three strikes and deal 500+ damage with 175 aspd at level 53. insanely powerful in orc dun, really ridiculous at times. and the bonus to hit is just icing on the cake.

the problem is my stat build. 20x strength, 50x agi, 10x vit, 1 int, 20x dex, 5 luk. nobody insofar has been able to tell me whether or not my build looks safe. i hope it won't give me any trouble in higher levels. should i change anything? this is an agi spear build, as i heard that will get me to trans the very fastest.

skills are as follows:

hp recovery 10
bash 10
provoke 10
endure 5
magnum break 5

faith 3
peco mastery 5
peco riding 1
spear mastery 10
spear quicken 3


the last gripe i have to make is that i'm quickly becoming aware of the fact that i won't be able to level at orc dun for much longer... i can mob dozens of orcs at a time, but i'm using hundreds of thousands of zeny on white potions. it's money that i don't have anymore, after having spent 12 mil on the crescent scythe.

i'm currently equiped with:

+4 wise helm (gives me some nice extra sp to use on magnum break and bash)

iron cain, which i sometimes replace with my well chewed pencil if i need the extra hit. i find that the cain's def contains more practical use then the pencil's hit buff, and looks cooler as well. honestly the pencil just wasn't worth the money imho. i feel as though the value is mostly in it's exclusivity. it's demand can't possibly be sustainable.

full plate. fantastic defense. too heavy, though, restricts the number of whites that i can carry. it's slotted, but i'm thinking about saving my cards for a nice set of legion plate in another twenty levels.

+6 muffler anti-sniping. very nice. worth about 30 mil, i believe, i got very lucky with this one. the hp bonus is nice, and the defense is alright. can't do much better then this, i believe.

crescent scythe (thinking about slotting it when i get more zeny and augmenting it with an ss card)

hide clip (not sure what else to use here... hide clip isn't as useful as it was when i was in my lower levels, although being able to hide from the db's in south prontera while i'm trying to network with the older players does occasionally come in handy. perhaps a good glove might be more effective.)

rosary (mdef is nice, also seeking to replace this with something which can benefit me more when things get up close and personal)

approximate cost of equips, total, i estimate at being from between 100 to 200 mil, depending on whether or not i have my pencil equipped. will go up to about 250 when i hit level 70 and equip my ears.

Edited by surferboy, 06 January 2011 - 03:27 AM.

[Hilmeros]

i just bought my sader a crescent scythe... amazing weapon. amazing. the attack is high, yes, but what really seals the deal is the crit bonus. i hit critical like once every three strikes and deal 500+ damage with 175 aspd at level 53. insanely powerful in orc dun, really ridiculous at times. and the bonus to hit is just icing on the cake.

the problem is my stat build. 20x strength, 50x agi, 10x vit, 1 int, 20x dex, 5 luk. nobody insofar has been able to tell me whether or not my build looks safe. i hope it won't give me any trouble in higher levels. should i change anything? this is an agi spear build, as i heard that will get me to trans the very fastest.

skills are as follows:

hp recovery 10
bash 10
provoke 10
endure 5
magnum break 5

faith 3
peco mastery 5
peco riding 1
spear mastery 10
spear quicken 3


the last gripe i have to make is that i'm quickly becoming aware of the fact that i won't be able to level at orc dun for much longer... i can mob dozens of orcs at a time, but i'm using hundreds of thousands of zeny on white potions. it's money that i don't have anymore, after having spent 12 mil on the crescent scythe.

i'm currently equiped with:

+4 wise helm (gives me some nice extra sp to use on magnum break and bash)

iron cain, which i sometimes replace with my well chewed pencil if i need the extra hit. i find that the cain's def contains more practical use then the pencil's hit buff, and looks cooler as well. honestly the pencil just wasn't worth the money imho. i feel as though the value is mostly in it's exclusivity. it's demand can't possibly be sustainable.

full plate. fantastic defense. too heavy, though, restricts the number of whites that i can carry. it's slotted, but i'm thinking about saving my cards for a nice set of legion plate in another twenty levels.

+6 muffler anti-sniping. very nice. worth about 30 mil, i believe, i got very lucky with this one. the hp bonus is nice, and the defense is alright. can't do much better then this, i believe.

crescent scythe (thinking about slotting it when i get more zeny and augmenting it with an ss card)

hide clip (not sure what else to use here... hide clip isn't as useful as it was when i was in my lower levels, although being able to hide from the db's in south prontera while i'm trying to network with the older players does occasionally come in handy. perhaps a good glove might be more effective.)

rosary (mdef is nice, also seeking to replace this with something which can benefit me more when things get up close and personal)

approximate cost of equips, total, i estimate at being from between 100 to 200 mil, depending on whether or not i have my pencil equipped. will go up to about 250 when i hit level 70 and equip my ears.

I equip a Pantie of Wild Cat with a Mocking Undershirt and always go for monsters that got +10 levels on me. Purely use str,agi,dex - nothing else (will add vit and maybe some luk once I go RG). I figured the Spear Quicken and Crescent Scythe gives me enough crit. With the extra flee from pantie set and whisper card, monsters hardly hit me.

EDIT: Why would you use the Iron Cain? Def is not a priority as you are agi-based. Go with your pencil always I'd say.

Edited by Hilmeros, 06 January 2011 - 05:16 AM.

[Gn1ydnu]

the problem is my stat build. 20x strength, 50x agi, 10x vit, 1 int, 20x dex, 5 luk.

No problem here. I would get some more dex and leave str alone for a while. Maybe dex up to 30 then pump agi more. Totally agree with Hilmeros about leveling on monsters with more levels (10~14 above are my fav). If you pull up the ctl+v for your exp bar and stuff there will be a tab that says "Map" or something. Hit tab once your on that map to see where monsters that fall into a good level range. Sometimes you get stuck and have to grind a little bit longer at some places. Elemental converters or endow slave on another account will also help out a lot. But i'd get a bit more dex (higher level monsters = more hit) then keep working agi. Raise dex (or luk depending) when you find your missing more. Hold off on vit though, with faith you will get enough HP to survive.

If I'm not mistaken, 3 LUK = 1 Hit, If your current stat is:
1. DEX 40 & LUK 1.
+1 DEX needs 5 stat points. On the other hand, 3 points of LUK need 6 points. put it to DEX.
2. DEX 41 & LUK 1.
+1 DEX needs 6 stat points. Also, 3 points of LUK need 6 points. At this point, it's up to you.

Bottom-line, if you value Hit and want to optimize stat points more than anything else, follow the data shown below(Note of the trend shown above).

Cost per Hit Analysis, please be reminded that 1 point of DEX = 3 points of LUK = 1 Hit:
1. 1 - 41 DEX < 1 - 11 LUK
2. 42 - 51 DEX = 1 - 11 LUK
3. 52 - 71 DEX < 12 - 21 LUK
4. 72 - 81 DEX = 12 - 21 LUK
5. 82 - 100 DEX < 22 - 31 LUK
6. 101 - 105 DEX > 32 - 41 LUK
7. 106 - 110 DEX > 42 - 51 LUK
8. 111 - 115 DEX > 52 - 61 LUK
9. 111 - 115 DEX = 62 - 71 LUK

^This is very well written. Also with spear quicken + scythe you will get 60 crit just from that and some luk will always be useful with more crit. Eventually, if you like auto attack critting, a morri set along with the SS scythe will bring you up to over 100 crit (with a little bit of luk).

skills are as follows:

hp recovery 10
bash 10
provoke 10
endure 5
magnum break 5

faith 3
peco mastery 5
peco riding 1
spear mastery 10
spear quicken 3

Looks fine. I would max spear quicken and then finish off faith. After that you can go HC if you wanted to.

the last gripe i have to make is that i'm quickly becoming aware of the fact that i won't be able to level at orc dun for much longer... i can mob dozens of orcs at a time, but i'm using hundreds of thousands of zeny on white potions. it's money that i don't have anymore, after having spent 12 mil on the crescent scythe.

My above comments for the first quote cover some of this. If you kill monsters 1 at a time by ctrl clicking (throw in some bash's or w/e when you can/want) you can save a lot on pots. Regardless though you will be using millions (and not low number millions) worth of zeny on hp recovery through out your sader/pally/rg career, if your trying to level effectively.

i'm currently equiped with:

+4 wise helm (gives me some nice extra sp to use on magnum break and bash)

iron cain, which i sometimes replace with my well chewed pencil if i need the extra hit. i find that the cain's def contains more practical use then the pencil's hit buff, and looks cooler as well. honestly the pencil just wasn't worth the money imho. i feel as though the value is mostly in it's exclusivity. it's demand can't possibly be sustainable.

full plate. fantastic defense. too heavy, though, restricts the number of whites that i can carry. it's slotted, but i'm thinking about saving my cards for a nice set of legion plate in another twenty levels.

+6 muffler anti-sniping. very nice. worth about 30 mil, i believe, i got very lucky with this one. the hp bonus is nice, and the defense is alright. can't do much better then this, i believe.

crescent scythe (thinking about slotting it when i get more zeny and augmenting it with an ss card)

hide clip (not sure what else to use here... hide clip isn't as useful as it was when i was in my lower levels, although being able to hide from the db's in south prontera while i'm trying to network with the older players does occasionally come in handy. perhaps a good glove might be more effective.)

rosary (mdef is nice, also seeking to replace this with something which can benefit me more when things get up close and personal)

Put the iron cain away and only use pencil. Regardless of the "small" buffs the pencil offers, its still better buffs then any other lower headgear (which is why the price is high). I used a wise PCH for low levels (and even in mid levels switched it out for when I leveled so I could get a free SQ and couple of bashes xD). Goals: Robo eyes for mid or s. elven/sunnies. Rideword eventually for headgears (mainly RG). A +7 cancer crown or the other ones that do the same thing (or mini propeller if you have KP's). Or if your going morri set then obviously the morri helm.

For armor, don't worry about high defense yet. I use a chainmail because its still has good defense but it is a heck of a lot lighter then legion plate or full plate. If you want high defense save for once your a pally/rg for a meteo plate. Ebone is higher defense, but again meteo plate is much better with weight vs defense. In RO its typically better not to slowly get slightly better gear to replace current ones. Usually its so much better and easier to just save for the best for your individual situation. Example: You want high defense armor. Going full plate to legeion plate to meteo plate isn't really worth it because the overall difference of full plate to legion plate is not good to begin with. Better to get 1 base armor and just wait for the target goal. Pantie with combo (slotted is obviously better) works well for agi sader/pallys. Wont be a huge use as RG. Waiting for a meteo plate is worth while for defense. Armor of naga is great for once your pally if you plan on doing agi click leveling. Porcillo cards are great for all around armors (unless your going with say meteo plate for overall goal of just tanking stuff w/ high defense).

For garment, yours is fine IMHO until you can get a nyd garb unless you see a cheap immune. Overall an immune garb should be a goal, but a cheap immune may help until you can get there. If your going crit then morri mant, but will still want a garb for later on.

For accessories, those are fine for now. If you have some extra zeny then worry about new ones for w/e stat you value more. Its generally better to get accessories that are high + stat for w/e stat is the most expensive to get via stat points. If your going crit then morri set covers this. Overall: Swordman medal of honor + Glorious ring or 2 Glorious ring.


If your on valk I think I have an extra armor of naga I can give you. If your looking for a sader/pally/RG guild (lol) then your welcome to join mine xD. Will have more people once my friends come back from their maple story binge and start up on valk (we are all Ymir players, I just made the switch first).

Edit: This is my sader last night. I had left dex at 40 but towards the end got sloppy/didn't care since I was going to trans anyways with stat point for luk/vit/dex lol. I would normally use my +7 SS scythe along with elemental converts (get 108 crit) but I've really been enjoying the glorious spear. GD is too much fun to watch with high aspd XD!!! But my dex was too low and I was depending on the +20 dex +luk foods to do kolbolds effectively at earlier levels. The CM has +2 str and porcillo card. Oh and like a doezen or so unused skill points

Edited by Gn1ydnu, 06 January 2011 - 11:00 AM.

[Hilmeros]

You JUST switched from Ymir and already got yourself that beautiful spear? :-)

[EvilLoynis]

Edit: This is my sader last night. I had left dex at 40 but towards the end got sloppy/didn't care since I was going to trans anyways with stat point for luk/vit/dex lol. I would normally use my +7 SS scythe along with elemental converts (get 108 crit) but I've really been enjoying the glorious spear. GD is too much fun to watch with high aspd XD!!! But my dex was too low and I was depending on the +20 dex +luk foods to do kolbolds effectively at earlier levels. The CM has +2 str and porcillo card. Oh and like a doezen or so unused skill points

How do you get your screen stretched that far??? for some reason my hotkey bar takes up 1/2 the length of the screen.

In your picture you have 5 bars along the top, General/CharStats/Hotkey/Inventory and the little 2 boxes plus the mini map. My screen could only hold the first 2 and map along the top edge.

[Gn1ydnu]

IDK. I got a new computer and monitor for xmax. Monitor is huge (not a square, but a rectangle). I run RO at 1440x900x16. I can get it up to 1920x1080x16 but thats too big imho (mainly for tabbing). You should see the size of my RO when I hook it up to my projector (main purpose is Xbox for when friends come over).

[surferboy]

No problem here. I would get some more dex and leave str alone for a while. Maybe dex up to 30 then pump agi more. Totally agree with Hilmeros about leveling on monsters with more levels (10~14 above are my fav). If you pull up the ctl+v for your exp bar and stuff there will be a tab that says "Map" or something. Hit tab once your on that map to see where monsters that fall into a good level range. Sometimes you get stuck and have to grind a little bit longer at some places. Elemental converters or endow slave on another account will also help out a lot. But i'd get a bit more dex (higher level monsters = more hit) then keep working agi. Raise dex (or luk depending) when you find your missing more. Hold off on vit though, with faith you will get enough HP to survive.




^This is very well written. Also with spear quicken + scythe you will get 60 crit just from that and some luk will always be useful with more crit. Eventually, if you like auto attack critting, a morri set along with the SS scythe will bring you up to over 100 crit (with a little bit of luk).



Looks fine. I would max spear quicken and then finish off faith. After that you can go HC if you wanted to.



My above comments for the first quote cover some of this. If you kill monsters 1 at a time by ctrl clicking (throw in some bash's or w/e when you can/want) you can save a lot on pots. Regardless though you will be using millions (and not low number millions) worth of zeny on hp recovery through out your sader/pally/rg career, if your trying to level effectively.



Put the iron cain away and only use pencil. Regardless of the "small" buffs the pencil offers, its still better buffs then any other lower headgear (which is why the price is high). I used a wise PCH for low levels (and even in mid levels switched it out for when I leveled so I could get a free SQ and couple of bashes xD). Goals: Robo eyes for mid or s. elven/sunnies. Rideword eventually for headgears (mainly RG). A +7 cancer crown or the other ones that do the same thing (or mini propeller if you have KP's). Or if your going morri set then obviously the morri helm.

For armor, don't worry about high defense yet. I use a chainmail because its still has good defense but it is a heck of a lot lighter then legion plate or full plate. If you want high defense save for once your a pally/rg for a meteo plate. Ebone is higher defense, but again meteo plate is much better with weight vs defense. In RO its typically better not to slowly get slightly better gear to replace current ones. Usually its so much better and easier to just save for the best for your individual situation. Example: You want high defense armor. Going full plate to legeion plate to meteo plate isn't really worth it because the overall difference of full plate to legion plate is not good to begin with. Better to get 1 base armor and just wait for the target goal. Pantie with combo (slotted is obviously better) works well for agi sader/pallys. Wont be a huge use as RG. Waiting for a meteo plate is worth while for defense. Armor of naga is great for once your pally if you plan on doing agi click leveling. Porcillo cards are great for all around armors (unless your going with say meteo plate for overall goal of just tanking stuff w/ high defense).

For garment, yours is fine IMHO until you can get a nyd garb unless you see a cheap immune. Overall an immune garb should be a goal, but a cheap immune may help until you can get there. If your going crit then morri mant, but will still want a garb for later on.

For accessories, those are fine for now. If you have some extra zeny then worry about new ones for w/e stat you value more. Its generally better to get accessories that are high + stat for w/e stat is the most expensive to get via stat points. If your going crit then morri set covers this. Overall: Swordman medal of honor + Glorious ring or 2 Glorious ring.


If your on valk I think I have an extra armor of naga I can give you. If your looking for a sader/pally/RG guild (lol) then your welcome to join mine xD. Will have more people once my friends come back from their maple story binge and start up on valk (we are all Ymir players, I just made the switch first).

Edit: This is my sader last night. I had left dex at 40 but towards the end got sloppy/didn't care since I was going to trans anyways with stat point for luk/vit/dex lol. I would normally use my +7 SS scythe along with elemental converts (get 108 crit) but I've really been enjoying the glorious spear. GD is too much fun to watch with high aspd XD!!! But my dex was too low and I was depending on the +20 dex +luk foods to do kolbolds effectively at earlier levels. The CM has +2 str and porcillo card. Oh and like a doezen or so unused skill points

wow, what an offer! i would love to join your guild, i'll absolutely take you up on that. where is your afk spot? i'll come and speak with one of your officers next time i log in (it's three o'clock am atm and i should probably get to sleep).

[CCCP]

I didn't know if making a new thread of asking this here, but seing how nice this thread is going I decided to ask this here.
I hit level 55 and leveling is going pretty slow now, any ideas as where to level with my stats and equip?



Btw, I'm using a lance because I'm still waiting for a crescent scythe

[Hilmeros]

I didn't know if making a new thread of asking this here, but seing how nice this thread is going I decided to ask this here.
I hit level 55 and leveling is going pretty slow now, any ideas as where to level with my stats and equip?



Btw, I'm using a lance because I'm still waiting for a crescent scythe

I would go for pay_dun03 and Sohee's (Beware of Nine Tail). When you reach 60-65 I recommend yuno_fild08 and Grand Peco's (Geographers). You can also kill Goats there when you feel you're strong enough.

All these monsters are passive so it's real easy. Not fun, but easy.

EDIT: I did this with almost the same stat build as yours. On the other hand I had a crescent scythe. You really should get one ASAP.

Edited by Hilmeros, 08 January 2011 - 02:04 PM.

[CCCP]

I would go for pay_dun03 and Sohee's (Beware of Nine Tail). When you reach 60-65 I recommend yuno_fild08 and Grand Peco's (Geographers). You can also kill Goats there when you feel you're strong enough.

All these monsters are passive so it's real easy. Not fun, but easy.

EDIT: I did this with almost the same stat build as yours. On the other hand I had a crescent scythe. You really should get one ASAP.

Thanks a lot, level 65 now, actually I got to level 62 in sohees and then to 65 in no time killing everything on the last floor and burning whites like a madman XD. I also got a nice +7 crescent with ss, I'll look into one with skel worker in the future when I save a little more.

I think I'm going to try goats now, and save the horns for the exp quest once I hit level 70.

[CCCP]

and so... where is the vegetable farmer? I'm looking in en_06 and I can't find him, did he move?

[Gn1ydnu]

Repeatable exp quests such as the goats one are now gone in renewal. Sorry for your loss of zeny on horns =/. Sidenote/protip: If you know something from pre-renewal, before spending zeny on it make sure its there =X. Also test everything you can.

I'll be back in a while to answer and give more advice.

[surferboy]

gn1ydnu, where can i find yourself and your guild online? i would very much like to join you. my sader is now level 70 and i would like to bring him to ID for leveling.