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#1 MrBudd

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Posted 05 July 2011 - 09:18 AM

Just had a look at my rune knight build guides that I wrote for my guild site and realized that they weren't 100% up to date, so I decided to spend a few hours today to update them and include my most current refined hybrid build as well as a max aspd and agi/crit build I was toying around with.

Figured I'd share it with all the folks here that might need the guidance. Feel free to comment.

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Valkyrie Players Guild Rune Knight Build Guide

PS. Yes I was able to hit 190 and 193 ASPD on my RK with only 81 agi. Most of the clues are in the guide.
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Posted 05 July 2011 - 10:32 AM

Just had a look at my rune knight build guides that I wrote for my guild site and realized that they weren't 100% up to date, so I decided to spend a few hours today to update them and include my most current refined hybrid build as well as a max aspd and agi/crit build I was toying around with.

Figured I'd share it with all the folks here that might need the guidance. Feel free to comment.

Here's the link

Valkyrie Players Guild Rune Knight Build Guide

PS. Yes I was able to hit 190 and 193 ASPD on my RK with only 81 agi. Most of the clues are in the guide.
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It's pretty funny, I actually just used you're website before you posted it here (did a google search for cs/db build). Other then the required skills for the CS/DB build are any other skills very important? I just used my free reset and did my skills over and I think I did a pretty bad job /swt. I also have 83 vit, 80 int, and 80 dex on my lvl 99/70 lk. Which stat do you think I should continue to pump up right now?
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Posted 05 July 2011 - 10:50 AM

Very nice!
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Posted 05 July 2011 - 11:37 AM

Thank you for the guide- this will be the first RK guide I have found.

I actually prefer Hybrid builds. I can see your build is quite versatile , although is luk anymore useful to reduce probability of statuses or reduce their duration like pre renewal ? You mention you gain stun and freeze resistance - Is this through gear or stats(vit/int) ? I am new to Renewal so I do not know how things work.

Also , how does your hybrid perform in PVP dueling ?
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Posted 05 July 2011 - 11:48 AM

Awesome thanks for the update I've been using your previous Hybrid RK build as a guideline although I took lvl 5 parrying and relax because I solo.
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Posted 05 July 2011 - 12:26 PM

Seems.... god item dependent or at the very least would need mvp cards
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Posted 05 July 2011 - 12:33 PM

For his Hybrid RK it is god item dependent :lol: But that doesn't mean you can't find cheaper alternatives to use. I'm using Morrigane set for my RK and it works pretty good.
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Posted 05 July 2011 - 12:40 PM

Seems.... god item dependent or at the very least would need mvp cards


No, no matter what build you are God items would definitely make you better but not god item dependent. Hybrid RK's can do alot of everything and very well; They can attack fast, High Dmg Dragon breath, CS better than what you call a CS/DB RK Because they have more strengh and even tough strength doesn't adds much dmg for example 2k every 50 str, It's still better.

I myself am a hybrid build and hybrids are immune to most of the status effect aswell. They can also resist Stone/Curse pretty nicely and masquerade groomy (The shadow chaser skill that dismount you from the dragon )with high agi.

For me, impo Hybrids are the best RK's. I would suggest Mr.Budd you put up a stormblast build even tough you need good gears/buffs to get good with it. I would say it would be something like this: 100-110 str 100 vit 110-130 int 70 dex.

1 last thing after i read your hybrid guide about Alcabringer, +Flat aspd from my testing doesn't add to the final aspd but behind the skill %. Picture it like something like this :
Base ASPD + Flat aspd*(%Skill) not like this Base aspd*(%Skill)+Flat aspd.

I could be wrong tough as I have not done any further testing but that's what the Asyr rune has showed me. Alcabringer could apply diferently but we'll see.

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Posted 05 July 2011 - 01:08 PM

No, no matter what build you are God items would definitely make you better but not god item dependent. Hybrid RK's can do alot of everything and very well; They can attack fast, High Dmg Dragon breath, CS better than what you call a CS/DB RK Because they have more strengh and even tough strength doesn't adds much dmg for example 2k every 50 str, It's still better.

I myself am a hybrid build and hybrids are immune to most of the status effect aswell. They can also resist Stone/Curse pretty nicely and masquerade groomy (The shadow chaser skill that dismount you from the dragon )with high agi.

For me, impo Hybrids are the best RK's. I would suggest Mr.Budd you put up a stormblast build even tough you need good gears/buffs to get good with it. I would say it would be something like this: 100-110 str 100 vit 110-130 int 70 dex.

1 last thing after i read your hybrid guide about Alcabringer, +Flat aspd from my testing doesn't add to the final aspd but behind the skill %. Picture it like something like this :
Base ASPD + Flat aspd*(%Skill) not like this Base aspd*(%Skill)+Flat aspd.

I could be wrong tough as I have not done any further testing but that's what the Asyr rune has showed me. Alcabringer could apply diferently but we'll see.


Unless something was seriously changed I am fairly confident in saying that the difference between a 120 str LK and a 1 str LK should be minimal to non-existant.
I leveled LK as str/agi and then re-stated into DB/CK type build at 100 and found my damage was quite the same with clashing spiral. :\

According to all the research I've done: Weapon refine, Weight, and the (awkward) size mods are all that are involved in calculating the damage.

EITHER WAY!

100 str carries 1000000000000000000000000000000 more ales then a 1str anyway :lol: So hybrid may be the way to go in the future!
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Posted 05 July 2011 - 01:53 PM

My build definitely is gear dependant for switching roles and while god items would help, the build is far from being dependant on needing god items or MVP cards to be effective. Just because I have access to every single god item possible that I actually am able to use them all the time to make this build dependant on them. Equipping any assortment of God items just makes it even more deadly.

As for the argument about 120 str vs 1 str, using Clashing Spiral for the basis of testing the effectiveness of 120str or 1 str is pretty fail in itself as the majority of the damage stems from the weapon weight and not the overall atk. Do a 120str vs 1 str test on bowling bash, ignition break and storm blast and you'll see the difference. Real Rune Knights use more than just a Lord Knight skill.

With regards to the ASPD calc with the fixed ASPD portions, I honestly don't know if the fixed portion comes before or after the modifiers. However what that does mean is that with a +4 Alcabringer you could get a fixed 2ASPD if it's calced at the end or 2.x+ ASPD if calced before the modifiers. Either way, would still be beneficial and not something I'd care too much to spend time on. I already proved I could hit 193 ASPD with only 81 base agi, having an alcabringer would only make that even easier.

HRDevil: I'll work on testing out some WoE/storm blast builds that I'll add to my guide in a bit.
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Posted 05 July 2011 - 02:32 PM

It's pretty funny, I actually just used you're website before you posted it here (did a google search for cs/db build). Other then the required skills for the CS/DB build are any other skills very important? I just used my free reset and did my skills over and I think I did a pretty bad job /swt. I also have 83 vit, 80 int, and 80 dex on my lvl 99/70 lk. Which stat do you think I should continue to pump up right now?


Probably the best thing to do right now is figure out what direction you want to go. For a CS/DB build, Spear Dynamo is probably the only other skill you'd want. Everything else is pretty optional. Rune Mastery 2 is nice to have so you can get the Isia rune to improve your potting efficiency. I'd probably get bowling bash or brandish as a LK to level with as CS alone is pretty slow.

Stat wise I think you're fine.

KKWL: I think you'll like my new revised build.
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Posted 05 July 2011 - 06:37 PM

Unless something was seriously changed I am fairly confident in saying that the difference between a 120 str LK and a 1 str LK should be minimal to non-existant.


I'm not even gonna try to convince you out of your error. Stay like that. :lol:

Either way, would still be beneficial and not something I'd care too much to spend time on. I already proved I could hit 193 ASPD with only 81 base agi, having an alcabringer would only make that even easier.


No one said it wouldn't make it easier. I'm just saying that some things does not appear to be however we want it to be and to say that you can get to 193 aspd from 187 with +6 flat aspd from alcabringer it would require some testing because Asyr Rune adds up +4 aspd and I've experienced times where I'm at 186 aspd and use the rune to find myself at 189 aspd and a few agi away from 190 (Not too much effort put).

Just that, this guide is great for new players that has no idea how to play with stat points and their mechanics.
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Posted 05 July 2011 - 11:03 PM

Sakray is the best place to test all your doubts.

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Unless something was seriously changed I am fairly confident in saying that the difference between a 120 str LK and a 1 str LK should be minimal to non-existant.
I leveled LK as str/agi and then re-stated into DB/CK type build at 100 and found my damage was quite the same with clashing spiral. :\

According to all the research I've done: Weapon refine, Weight, and the (awkward) size mods are all that are involved in calculating the damage.


Idk what you are talking about, even 30 str adds around 2k when used with a cardo. Its not like you will be using CS to levelup with as an RK, unless you are going to MVP with gloomy or want to levelup reeeeaaaaallllyyy sloowwwww. =/
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Posted 30 July 2011 - 11:02 AM

Looking at the Alcabringer sword its pretty nice for the Sword based RKs along with decent weight for CS.

Its going for maybe 40-50m on Ymir but I'm going to bet the price will drop again.

I'm still thinking Violet Fear is better because it has 2 slots, its got procs and it looks awesome too bad its hard to get at least for me D:

EDIT: Anyone check out irowiki lately? RK page has some builds now

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 06:31 PM

At +0 the Alca Bringer is on par with a +0 uncarded Violet Fear but the dmg on the Violet Fear becomes much higher when the defense bypass effect is triggered on the Violet Fear. At safe levels (+5 Alcabringer and +4 Violet Fear), the performance difference is still about the same with the Violet Fear on top. Sticking any card on the Violet Fear instantly makes it a better weapon than the Alcabringer unless you're using it to break emps (I use my alcabringer as an emp breaker).

Just in case anyone is wonderin, at +12 on both weapons, the atk on the Violet Fear surpasses the Alcabringer by a fair margin although the Alcabringer DOES give a nice +6 ASPD boost. Ultimately for raw dmg, the Violet Fear is the way to go, but if you're ctrl-clicking things and you can get a highly upgraded Alca Bringer then it might be fun to poke at things at higher speeds. Personally, I find my Violet Fear to be way more useful than my Alca Bringer for most purposes.

As for the builds on the iro wiki site, I think it needs some revising.
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Posted 31 July 2011 - 12:26 PM

whats a good build for lk that includes both bowling bash and spiral pierce? =S
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Posted 31 July 2011 - 05:16 PM

A hybrid would be pretty good thats what I'm doing atm but I might've messed up my stats, the one that MrBudd has on his site is awesome and I'm enjoying it.
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Posted 02 August 2011 - 09:06 AM

whats a good build for lk that includes both bowling bash and spiral pierce? =S

High Str 80+ (Quicker kills , More carry capacity)
High Vit 80+ (Larger HP pool , more survivability)
High Dex 60+ (Needed to connect damage and improve cast time for CS)
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Posted 03 August 2011 - 10:34 AM

At +0 the Alca Bringer is on par with a +0 uncarded Violet Fear but the dmg on the Violet Fear becomes much higher when the defense bypass effect is triggered on the Violet Fear. At safe levels (+5 Alcabringer and +4 Violet Fear), the performance difference is still about the same with the Violet Fear on top. Sticking any card on the Violet Fear instantly makes it a better weapon than the Alcabringer unless you're using it to break emps (I use my alcabringer as an emp breaker).

Just in case anyone is wonderin, at +12 on both weapons, the atk on the Violet Fear surpasses the Alcabringer by a fair margin although the Alcabringer DOES give a nice +6 ASPD boost. Ultimately for raw dmg, the Violet Fear is the way to go, but if you're ctrl-clicking things and you can get a highly upgraded Alca Bringer then it might be fun to poke at things at higher speeds. Personally, I find my Violet Fear to be way more useful than my Alca Bringer for most purposes.

As for the builds on the iro wiki site, I think it needs some revising.

Well thats useful information to me then but I'm still waiting for prices to drop on the Alcabringer, I've seen one going for 15m and I missed out but seems like sellers are still trying to push for 45m.

Looking at the weapon the Two-Handed Chrome Metal Sword its not too bad for the Agi RK but the downside of the weapon is the -10% MHP and the weight so not a weapon I'd use to CS stuff with but it would be great for one of the runes (forgot the name but its the one where you destroy your weapon to deal dmg). This sword is a little cheaper (~10m on ymir) with a lvl 110 requirement.

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Posted 22 September 2011 - 02:27 PM

just a quick question on builds, i have a swordie which im planning to be a spear rune knight, i find that there are some skills i cant maxed out on 3rd job class using a skill calculator, do you think i can use the second job or 1st job skill points to somehow compensate for skill points i need for the third class ?? i maybe off topic here, sorry
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Posted 22 September 2011 - 05:47 PM

You can use higher class skill points towards lower clas skills. You can't use lower class skill points for high class skills.
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Posted 01 October 2011 - 12:23 AM

Interestingly, I made my hybrid RK build based on extending the hybrid LK build from irowiki, and it turned out fairly similar to yours, with a little less str and dex, and a little more agi and luk.

A question about mobbing with this build: Will Tae Goo Lyeon of Force help with mobbing more or the morrigane set? Or perhaps Veteran Sword?
I only have enough funds to invest in either a sword guardian card, a veteran sword or the morrigane set, so decisions decisions.. /wah
At the moment I switch between my Kingbird hunting spear and my +7 Alca bringer depending on what I feel like doing. (thinking of +8 my Alca bringer but I don't know how many HD Ori's I should prepare before attempting :waddle:)
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Posted 01 October 2011 - 06:44 AM

Either a +9 TGL or a Veteran sword, both with Sword guardian cards. Really only useful if you plan on using BB+IB to level. The morri set is really only useful if you plan on ctrl-clicking things and need crit. It won't help with mobbing much at all.
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Posted 15 December 2011 - 12:34 AM

Will update the builds with post balance patch builds later. Too lazy to type :) right now
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Posted 19 December 2011 - 10:38 AM

RK Guides updated to reflect the balance patch changes.
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