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[Xellie]

Xellie clearly said 10 seconds on zen I am pretty sure if you are a sura and cant zen and gfist you will complain because a geneticist outmvped u

If only mvps lived longer than 10 seconds under bomb.

I can't think of anything except entwein that does.

[Wizard]

You want me to be like the Best Sura on the Server and resort to KA with no Strings, spam it even tho I see the enemy is in Phnuema?

No Thank you...

lol and who's that "best sura on the server"?? who spam KA on pneuma lol...

But yah... if they are in pneuma... just limit yourself in going LoL, Use CC and let guildmates kill for ya... that's something call "teamwork"... maybe you heard about it?

[D111]

lol and who's that "best sura on the server"?? who spam KA on pneuma lol...

LOL...

You know, I ain't naming names, Maybe Tommy will find this thread and Enlighten you...

[Aeroku]

Xellie clearly said 10 seconds on zen I am pretty sure if you are a sura and cant zen and gfist you will complain because a geneticist outmvped u

lol

[Wizard]

LOL...

You know, I ain't naming names, Maybe Tommy will find this thread and Enlighten you...

O.o

Ohh lol... I chee... >_>

[Carp]

They are not kings, you can still compete on pretty much any mvp that is not ghost type, one shot many of the low-mid tier mvps without giving anyone a chance to compete.

I think with the balance patch genetics got really hit in woe too, they got hit too in pvm with a nerf in bomb damage, however these classes (sura and gen) are still one step ahed everyone else in MvPing non-ghost types, and sura is one step ahead of genetic in woe for sure, you can't be the best in every field like pre-balance patch.

lolz do you have a gene to begin with? Had you tested the bomb nerf in damage pvm specially on mvps that matters (morroc/randgris)? Have you tried post balance camping against a gene using a sura? I did all that and guess what? bomb damage range is basically the same and the odds of winning using a sura went down from 50% to 5%.

Edited by Carp, 16 December 2011 - 03:06 PM.

[D111]

Heimdallr,

Fix this SP regen its a terrible Balance Idea.

[Nitro]

Well for me delay is ok, the problem is, yes u cant regen sp after a gfist ,but when using sp pots ur pots counts as a use w/o having the sp due to the delay, why? Why not say item cannot use, I wasted so many light blue pots

The same reason white pots, speed poison bottles, awakes and the like are consumed if you break the container with full HP or buffs already. If you Gfist, don't spam SP pots.

[Carp]

If only mvps lived longer than 10 seconds under bomb.

I can't think of anything except entwein that does.

^ This. Actually bishop also.

Edited by Carp, 16 December 2011 - 03:12 PM.

[Wanderer]

lolz do you have a gene to begin with? Had you tested the bomb nerf in damage pvm specially on mvps that matters (morroc/randgris)? Have you tried post balance camping against a gene using a sura? I did all that and guess what? bomb damage range is basically the same and the odds of winning using a sura went down from 50% to 5%.

5%? I don't think so, and please read again, your class isn't supposed be the best in all fields... if genetic was to be the best at mvping sura is the best at pvp/woe for sure, the thing is sura also performs great at mvping non-ghost types while all the other classes come way after them.

[IronPlushy]

This thread is absurd, you're basically saying Suras have Gfist and no other skills. You don't HAVE to use Gfist, Suras have other viable skills.

[Carp]

If you're not reading previous posts, I am only defending my earlier point that genes now far surpassed suras in mvping. In woe scenario i have no qualms over 10 secs delay on using gfist but not on all skills. being unable to regain sp = cooldown on all skills.

[Carp]

5%? I don't think so, and please read again, your class isn't supposed be the best in all fields... if genetic was to be the best at mvping sura is the best at pvp/woe for sure, the thing is sura also performs great at mvping non-ghost types while all the other classes come way after them.

yah sura performs great against gene at mvping on mvps that don't matter.

[Hrothmund]

Most classes uber strong skill have a reuse delay of 5 minutes or so. 10 seconds is laughable and should be increased (as a global delay so they can do other stuff) if anything.

[HyperFrost]

It should either be 10 secs no sp, or at least a 1 min cooldown for GFist.

[Mowi]

It should either be 10 secs no sp, or at least a 1 min cooldown for GFist.

The latter sounds like more than enough to make people use their other skills and not render them useless.

[iZola]

I'm lazy to read the previous posts, but...
Would be lovely if after gfist you were left with 15 SP and 1 Spirit Sphere, enough for one snap.
And maintain the delay without making you waste SP recovery items.

[DeathDealer]

a single sura before this "balance" with a good build and ok gears could become the best in game at: 1. Tanking 2. DPS 3. Support. 4.Disabling/nullifying. Not to mention arguably best class to PvP, WoE, and MVP with. A good Sura can surpass most all other jobs in just about EVERY aspect of the game. Yes the SP thing is pretty dumb, but G-fist has been long over due for a nerf or Suras in general need to be nerfed down to the rest of the jobs. IMO, a moderately lengthy skill delay for G-Fist would be reasonable or something of that order. Reverting Safety Wall to pre-renewal style would be nice too.

[Clogon]

I don't see why you guys are saying that Genetics are the supreme kings of MVPing. Maybe you guys don't know it but this patch nerfed AB's damage by ~30% against MVP's while you guys can still 1shot pretty much anything.

The only issue I see with this nerf is in WoE. RK's can 1shot people with just a 10kz rune every 30s and still be able to do stuff. While Sura's are just meatbags that can't do anything but escape.

Feedback given before it is even on Sakray is IGNORED because it is not feedback based on fact, it is based on speculation.

I do not think any feedback on this skill in a WoE setting will be taken seriously till we actually get WoE this sat (one of the reasons why I said WoE should be enabled!).


@the guy that suggested After Cast delay:
Bad idea, there are plenty of things to reduce and even remove this, biggest example = Magic Strings.

[CeruleanGamer]

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Edited by CeruleanGamer, 16 December 2011 - 05:23 PM.

[Mowi]

Then just say cool down instead of after cast delay.

[Xellie]

I don't see why you guys are saying that Genetics are the supreme kings of MVPing. Maybe you guys don't know it but this patch nerfed AB's damage by ~30% against MVP's while you guys can still 1shot pretty much anything.

The only issue I see with this nerf is in WoE. RK's can 1shot people with just a 10kz rune every 30s and still be able to do stuff. While Sura's are just meatbags that can't do anything but escape.


I do not think any feedback on this skill in a WoE setting will be taken seriously till we actually get WoE this sat (one of the reasons why I said WoE should be enabled!).


@the guy that suggested After Cast delay:
Bad idea, there are plenty of things to reduce and even remove this, biggest example = Magic Strings.

MS only removes global not specific delays?

[Clogon]

MS only removes global not specific delays?

After cast delay = global delay.

[Zeniachan]

My Sura is my main character. OMG I'M SO MAD THAT THEY DID THIS. GRRR. They even made a STATUS ICON for the 10 seconds that you can't regain SP, just to rub it in your face, as if to say, "HA HA! YOU CAN'T REGAIN SP! Don't even think about using a blue pot/strawberry/ygg until this icon disappears--if you do, you'll waste it!"

Suras really don't have any other useful skills other than GFist and GoH. What kind of uber, epic, "I can kill everything" class would even bother getting a party for an MVP and using, say, Mental Strength to tank it for them instead of just killing it solo like they're expected to? And what are Archbishops good for...they never use Lex Aeterna because it's such a bad skill and has a really long delay, they never resurrect you when you die, they can't keep buffs on you 24/7, High Heal got its cooldown nerfed back to kRO standards...

Q and Q.

/sarcasm

Okay...the nerfs really AREN'T that bad. If anything, unnerf LR's cast time (actually, how fast is it with Sacrament? I haven't seen this tested yet.) Yeah, so Suras can't solo Nyd's Shadow or any ET MVPs anymore without using speed pots or something. Seriously now, is this even really worth QQing over? There's a reason some of these MVPs were designed for parties/instances. (If there's anything I miss about this game, it's the partying.) And maybe, just maybe, speed pots will be useful outside of WoE for once.

Besides, 10 seconds isn't that long. It is worth it in a party to keep the Sura alive after a GFist, just give healing priority to whoever's tanking (or use Coluseo Heal if you're in a large group where everyone's taking damage.) Once the 10 seconds are up, the Sura can get ready to GFist again. If the Sura dies, it could take longer because then you'd have to res and rebuff.

I won't lie to anyone, even I have always believed that GFist was an overpowered skill...that's one reason why I used it so much when I was really into RO (and still do today.) The other reason was because it looks so darn cool. And it still looks pretty darn cool. Wouldn't you say so?

Video related:

[Anchors]

About LR... I think the cast time is fully variable, no? Meaning sacra won't affect it...

Was LR used in WoE at all? >.>