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#1 Vegas

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 07:11 AM

As you know we have level 210 Exalted weapons. Those weapons are weaker than level 210 and 175 Valor weapons. No one is ever gonna use SoD weapons. Developers just wasted time designing some nice weapons which won't be useful. Why players wont use them? First they are pricy to buy from players, anyway if the price would drop, there is many common weapons stronger than exalted ones. Second the level of weapons, level 175 and 200 weapons are stronger, whats the point of leveling up more for a weaker weapon? Valor weapons are now common, those are easy to obtain, just need to do some dungeons and you can buy a perfect weapon, while SoD gives you a chance of getting a weapon or crappy box with useless armor which can be used as costume only. The chance to get desired weapons is really low, before you get the weapon you needed, you will have enough valor points to buy stronger one from valor shop. Simply, level 200 players will have already best weapons they can have, and those level 210 weapons will be useless, probably exalted weapons will end up being sold to NPCs instead to players.
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Posted 18 August 2012 - 11:59 AM

Give him a break and act your age fellas.
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Posted 18 August 2012 - 09:14 PM

SoD weapons was a horrible waste of time. Developers shouldn't waste their creations like that.
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Posted 18 August 2012 - 09:28 PM

tbh it wasnt a waste
they can just increase the weapon ap i believe quite easily
i mean i think idk...
the designing is pretty good
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Posted 18 August 2012 - 10:34 PM

Looks as if I just did a VERY random comment above.

I love this sneaky moderating, totally under-cover style. Helps developing the community?
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Posted 18 August 2012 - 10:47 PM

tbh it wasnt a waste
they can just increase the weapon ap i believe quite easily
i mean i think idk...
the designing is pretty good

It's a waste if they won't decide to increase the weapon ap, all they do now is increase PvM offense by 2% which does nothing at all.
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Posted 19 August 2012 - 11:14 AM

You know new people who join rose look at it as 10 ap difference, looks cooler. Sure ill get that. Not everyone who plays inherently has 3bil for a SF 15 w/ gem7. Content is content. Doesn't matter if it gets released after something "better" was added.
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Posted 19 August 2012 - 11:27 AM

You know new people who join rose look at it as 10 ap difference, looks cooler. Sure ill get that. Not everyone who plays inherently has 3bil for a SF 15 w/ gem7. Content is content. Doesn't matter if it gets released after something "better" was added.

You didn't understood this. SoD weapons are weaker than common level 200 weapons, and SoD weapons are level 210, it just doesn't make sense. What was the point of creating this junk? Developers could create something like a new planet, or at least start building one instead of wasting time on weapons which are so weak, hard to obtain, and has high requirements.
They should fix the ap of weapons or lower the level and stat requirements to equip them. Really, what's the point of using Exalted 2h sword when you can use a level 175 common 2h sword? And who would be stronger? Level 210 with his Exalted 2h or level 175 with common 2h?
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Posted 19 August 2012 - 01:11 PM

You missed the point. Just because you don't find value in those weapons doesn't mean somone else won't. Id prefer the 2h "exhalted" sword and spear to the caliburn and 200 spear any day. They just look better. And since you can't cotume weapons that's why I would use them. So what if I'm missing 10-15 ap. I'm still gonna use them for looks.
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Posted 19 August 2012 - 03:09 PM

You know new people who join rose look at it as 10 ap difference, looks cooler. Sure ill get that. Not everyone who plays inherently has 3bil for a SF 15 w/ gem7. Content is content. Doesn't matter if it gets released after something "better" was added.

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Posted 19 August 2012 - 10:53 PM

You missed the point. Just because you don't find value in those weapons doesn't mean somone else won't. Id prefer the 2h "exhalted" sword and spear to the caliburn and 200 spear any day. They just look better. And since you can't cotume weapons that's why I would use them. So what if I'm missing 10-15 ap. I'm still gonna use them for looks.


True, but. This still doesn't make sense how common level 200 weapon is stronger than a rare weapon from dungeon which is level 210.

Anyway, I believe there is very few players who would use weaker weapon as a costume.
None of ROSE weapons are or were before weaker than the lower level weapon. These new weapons doesn't match original ROSE weapons system, and they are unbalanced.

Edited by Vegas, 19 August 2012 - 10:56 PM.

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 12:59 AM

THe weapons and armour are a waste of effort but the update as a whole was good. IT brought back a lot of players I had not seen in years. Gravity should take note all your little sub games dont mean nothing but raise level cap make a few more maps u might find your community growing again. We all waiting for 220 gear and weapons not pale imitations something worth owning and using
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 01:25 AM

I totally agree, and as slinger said, they could easily increase AP and stuff to make the weapons more worthwhile to acquire.
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 03:25 AM

THe weapons and armour are a waste of effort but the update as a whole was good. IT brought back a lot of players I had not seen in years. Gravity should take note all your little sub games dont mean nothing but raise level cap make a few more maps u might find your community growing again. We all waiting for 220 gear and weapons not pale imitations something worth owning and using


True update is good. I like the SoD dungeon a lot, it's really fun, and those SoD quests too. The only thing in update is weapons which doesn't fit original ROSE system. Someone who created these weapons are changing ROSE equipments system. As I understand from this update we can expect level 230 armors, weapons which are weaker than level 200 ones? This new equipment system is really stupid, they should fix the stats.
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:05 AM

I love the new SoD weapons, and when you refine them to 15, they have almost as much ap as epics. I also believe you are not taking into account the pvm bonus you get with the SoD weapons. I hope I can get the two-handed sword, I think it looks totally wicked!
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:36 AM

I love the new SoD weapons, and when you refine them to 15, they have almost as much ap as epics. I also believe you are not taking into account the pvm bonus you get with the SoD weapons. I hope I can get the two-handed sword, I think it looks totally wicked!


It's hard to say.

There is a noticable base AP and accuracy difference at refine 15.

The question though, is that 4% better than the damage difference?

For example, if you had 5k attack power with an Epic and 4.8k attack power with an Exalted, is the 4% going to make back the difference?
Not only that but the range on ranged weapons is lower on the Exalted weapons in comparison to the Epics.

But in terms of value, the Exalted weapons are far far cheaper, where items can cost millions as to billions for those epic weapons which are extremely rare.
Although there is a level 200 vs the 210 requirement.
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:52 AM

I'm still upset about the epics. They shouldn't have made them "Epic". Why? What happens when they raise level cap and introduce new weapons.. They don't/shouldn't seem Epic anylonger.

They should have made them into the new Uniques with a level requirement, wich would deserve a new name but not Epics. And if they wanted to make it a theme with the colouring and looks of the weapon there should have been a story behind that. Quick example; A group of heroes had to unite to defeat a scary monster, to succeed they all needed to forge new weapons - these became the "Epic" weapons. The heroes won the battle but later on, when they had gone seperate ways, they lost these weapons to different monsters around the world of Rose.

Give them a good name for these "Epics"! PickUp, where are you..
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 06:59 AM

Does anyone have a refine 15 sea of dawn weapon and refine 15 epic of the same type, same gem etc, that can post their stats? Full character stats not weapon stats, including pvm bonuses. Buffed or unbuffed, just make sure the gear is the same except for the weapon.

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 08:12 AM

I think that many Epics 15 have the AP corresponding to the old refine system.
For example before the refine update a Rift Boomer got 504 AP at 15, after (according to the Compendium) it can get 540 AP.
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 10:15 AM

too much drama guys. in my opinion it is as simple as this. those lvl 210 exalted weapons and armors are obviously much stronger than normal level 200 weapons. why would you compare them to epic's and honor gears. i am looking this update as a way to balance the weapons and armory system(simply to add lvl 210 weaps and armors before they go to lvl 220 normal and honor items). i also agree to the comment saying that these weapons are much affordable than using those epic one's. maybe you wont be able to appreciate the value of these items if you can already afford those honor items and epic ones. but for those who are just starting their way it is a good weapon to use before shifting to honor and epic one's while earning money to buy them(which are very expensive.) so don't compare this exalted one's to epic cause as the name says they are 'epic'...and please take time to read their notes about these updates. they said it is just a beginning. so meaning many more updates to come. so i do not agree that this items are useless and trash, some of this exalted one's have good stats than those of epic.try to be positive sometimes. not everyone is as rich as everyone.
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 10:50 AM

It's hard to say.

There is a noticable base AP and accuracy difference at refine 15.

The question though, is that 4% better than the damage difference?

For example, if you had 5k attack power with an Epic and 4.8k attack power with an Exalted, is the 4% going to make back the difference?
Not only that but the range on ranged weapons is lower on the Exalted weapons in comparison to the Epics.

But in terms of value, the Exalted weapons are far far cheaper, where items can cost millions as to billions for those epic weapons which are extremely rare.
Although there is a level 200 vs the 210 requirement.

No no no. You are all wrong. Valor weapons are strongest (not talking about epics). Higher ap than exalted, cheaper than exalted weapon (costs nothing, just valor point), higher bold stats, higher accuracy, same PvM bonus.
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 10:53 AM

too much drama guys. in my opinion it is as simple as this. those lvl 210 exalted weapons and armors are obviously much stronger than normal level 200 weapons. why would you compare them to epic's and honor gears. i am looking this update as a way to balance the weapons and armory system(simply to add lvl 210 weaps and armors before they go to lvl 220 normal and honor items). i also agree to the comment saying that these weapons are much affordable than using those epic one's. maybe you wont be able to appreciate the value of these items if you can already afford those honor items and epic ones. but for those who are just starting their way it is a good weapon to use before shifting to honor and epic one's while earning money to buy them(which are very expensive.) so don't compare this exalted one's to epic cause as the name says they are 'epic'...and please take time to read their notes about these updates. they said it is just a beginning. so meaning many more updates to come. so i do not agree that this items are useless and trash, some of this exalted one's have good stats than those of epic.try to be positive sometimes. not everyone is as rich as everyone.

Do you even play ROSE online? Have you seen ap of lvl 210 exalted weapon and lvl 200 normal weapon and lvl 175 normal weapon? There is a big difference.
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 11:29 AM

haha yeah my bad, i didnt clarify what i am trying to say, yeah about the ap it has a difference, but those exalted weapons got bonus stats where you can use either in GA or pvm, unlike normal lvl 200 weapons you just got ap and no bonus stats. i am just stating that these items will help people who are just starting to play this game and are already max to farm easily and at the same time can do Game arena. as those exalted weapons dont have -pvp stats unlike the valor weapons. and don't get too focus on ap alone. these exalted one's give two extra bonus stats rather than those of hardened ones which only gives attack power and as we all know, every stat is as important as everyone else. so i guess the extra attack speed, accuracy, mspeed and crit bonus of these exalted weapons would be much valued rather than choosing a pure ap weapon like the hardened one's or no bonus stats weapon like the normal one's from npc in orlo. and as i have said before some of these weapons are much better than epic one's when that bit difference in attack power is set aside, like the wand and the crossbow, not everyone is as focus on ap alone though it would be nicer to really have a good ap. well again it's just my opinion.

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 01:18 PM

The principal thing for these exalted weapons are their stats ...
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 01:22 PM

You know new people who join rose look at it as 10 ap difference, looks cooler. Sure ill get that. Not everyone who plays inherently has 3bil for a SF 15 w/ gem7. Content is content. Doesn't matter if it gets released after something "better" was added.



True! Some ppl dont get help when they start out and cant afford any Epic weapons (SF, SH, RB.. ETC....)
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