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[ericcc]

if i learn sword mastery max is RTE would be better?

 

Yup more attack 

[Havenn]

Not too sure if that is true, test and let me know =p

[kohakusoul]

i try it on +9 erde ea 9 with +9 RTE  it was higher if i learn sword max but no sure if +12

[gorgoroth1]

With temporal boot coming in, just wondering which would give more AcidBomb damage,

lets say between +9 STR Temporal Boots FS7 and +9 STR Temporal Boots EA4.

[Havenn]

Definitely EA4

[bloodyrascal]

I was testing my damage with +9 RTE with 3x AS and 3xAK on Atroce, Boitata and Detard. I was doing more damage with 3x AS than 3x AK, whereas my friend's results on the same set of mvps were completely opposite. He did more damage wtih AK than AS. How is it possible?

Also, is there a noticeable difference between +9 and +12 RTE? I usually only +12 gears that give special bonuses on upgrade apart from the extra atk and matk.

[Havenn]

It's a pretty decent chunk of damage extra with +12 vs +9 RTE, nothing like, mind blowing, but a good amount of damage that would help you compete. Were you testing CC or AB? AKs usually influence CC more while remaining about the same as AS when bombing.....do you and your friend have diff stat builds/other gears? If so, please list the gears and I'll attempt to come up with a reason, then Azzy can chime in and explain it better than me XD

Edited by Havenn, 07 July 2014 - 08:53 AM.

[bloodyrascal]

I was testing with AB. Didn't check the CC damage. I wish I had summoned Beelz for that.

Gears weren't the same though. Stats are almost similar. He is using EA FAW and I am using Spell for both CC and AB. I am using a Brynhild and he isn't. Rest of the gears are pretty much the same. Difference in my damage with AS was 20-30k more and his with AK was only 5k more than AS. I was doing more damage than him.

[Havenn]

It's definitely going to be something with the atk/matk mods versus ranged mods and how each would be effected by additional range modifiers/race modifiers. I think Azzy would be best to answer on this as to the specific reason for the damage differences. Sorry, don't wanna be guessing anything too much :X

Edited by Havenn, 07 July 2014 - 10:22 AM.

[bloodyrascal]

Haha. Thank you for answering the other question though. I would also test the CC damage later with both AK and AS and post it here.

[Akshaysanwal]

Okay, so I've have read this thread a couple of times now. However, I still have questions that some of you might be able to answer.

 

I think it's clear that HF wins on damage for large/medium MvPs for overall damage. 

 

What I am still confused about is One Handed weapons and their respective cards.

Please let me know where I'm wrong, I just started playing the Gen class roughly 2 weeks ago.

 

From what I understood the following are currently the best one hand weapons solely for MvPing purposes,

Keep in mind, I am talking about Acid Bomb damage.

 

Small Sized - Byeollungum (EA5/5) 

Medium Sized - Erde (EA5/5) (AK*2)

Large Sized - Erde (EA5/5) (AK*2)

 

My question now, with the future Red Twin (EA) update, will it be better and the above mentioned equips (Not HF) in terms of damages on MvPs?

 

I know several suggest Red Twin *3AS as a starting overall weapon. But, I'm past that, I'm concerned about equips that only matter when I am killing MvPs.

 

Some people have also told me that AS does more damage than AK cards on Red Twin/Erde, even on MvPs. I'm not sure if that is correct. Could someone please enlighten me on that as well? 

 

Also, wanted to put this out there, how does a Gen survive an EQ (Valk/Ifrit) without owning a GTB. I've been playing around with castling for a while but I'm wondering if there are other ways to do so.

 

For Ifirt, will DR (HBP) + Fire Amor + HP Increase at 150, help me survive an EQ? 

 

 

Thank you so much for reading this long and obnoxious post.

Edited by Akshaysanwal, 12 August 2014 - 08:57 AM.

[DrAzzy]

Please use the genetic damage calculation. It is impossible for us to which-weapon-is-better questions without knowing your exact stats, gears, homunculus type, and the monsters you're planning to fight. http://drazzy.com/ca...encompare.shtml

[Havenn]

Small Sized - Byeollungum (EA5/5) 

Medium Sized - Byeollungum (EA5/5) 

Large Sized - Erde (EA5/5) (AK*2)

[Akshaysanwal]

 

Small Sized - Byeollungum (EA5/5) 

Medium Sized - Byeollungum (EA5/5) 

Large Sized - Erde (EA5/5) (AK*2)

 

 

 

Thank you Havenn. 

And also Azzy, I have been using your calculator, and I really like it. But I wasn't sure if its takes Erde's bonus into account or not.

Or if there was a way to add the bonus? 

[Havenn]

Ah, the bonus from the Erde only applys to the 2nd job skill 'Bomb' and not 'Acid Bomb' (the one that looks like a flaming X on the ground) so it's not worth it to compare that aspect. However, the +10% healing i think it i, does apply to potion pitcher =O

[Ryviux]

Has anyone use KVM weapons against Demi-Human MVP?

 

how do they stack up against other gene weapons?

Edited by Ryviux, 22 January 2015 - 10:46 AM.

[Havenn]

KVM MS is the end-all of demi-human genetic weapons. +12 GMS hits about as hard as a +12 EA10 HF to bios

 

(330k bomb to cenia, 320k bomb to high-priest, 100k+ CC's to Scholar)

Edited by Havenn, 22 January 2015 - 10:56 AM.

[KamiKali]

Kvm > hf for fire ex and cc

[Ryviux]

i currently have a +12HF EA8 clean

 

Would a +9 KVM MS do more or less damage?

 

are KVM weapons worth getting if they are lower then +10?

[Havenn]

I think your HF will bomb harder and the mace with FE harder. There is a wild gap in damage between +9>12 KVM. If I had a +14 kvm......oh my.

 

I think even a +9 was pretty sweet for CCing in Bios I remember. I used one for awhile.

Edited by Havenn, 22 January 2015 - 01:31 PM.

[Ryviux]

so would a +9 KVM MS out damage a +12HF EA8 with CC against Demi-Humans?

[Havenn]

Would have to test but I think it would

[kasshin]

Depends on the target size too! Remember HF is 75% to medium.

[Havenn]

Ya i'm taking that into consideration with bios as the target so all mids xD

[Ryviux]

Does weapon size modifier affect Acid Bomb damage?