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#1 Odindvatri

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Posted 08 June 2024 - 09:56 AM

Hi. Nobody plays fs priests so i've decided to waste my time with this post. All opinions/advices e t.c. are welcomed.
 

The goal of this cardinal is simpe: Tank/Heal/Buff nothing new u know. And with this new equpiments  its tankability is just insane.
 

Part 1. Equip.

 

1) Head (upper}: +12 Legacy of Wise One [1]: reduce damage from mobs and bosses for 20%. -20% ACD. +30% MHP and MSP. 10 Mdef. 

This headgear is insane cause with Spenta Armati u'll get 60% reduced damage from mobs and bosses (yes u r tank already).
Cards: right now im using Arch Angeling Card cause i had some sp problems during lvl up (but u always can use magni for some time to regen or blue pots). But this slot is definitely for White Lady Card (+30% heal)

U can get this helm from OCP 55 (or vends)

 

2) Head {mid}: Diving Googles: gives u +15% MHP (for Votum) and 25% heal. Besides unlike Seraphim Coronet the headgear (lower) will be free to use. And u dont need to have -100% VCT of Colusea Heal cause u'll have 100% VCT reduction from other equip.

 

3) Head (Lower): Ghost Fire: -8% VCT (no need). -5% ACD (no need). -0.1% FCT. I was using it to get 100% VCT reduction but now with new gear its pretty usless thou still gives u -.01 FCT (and we do need FCT reduction). Perhaps its better to use Sanctus (gives 15% to Votum boost) or Mantle (10%MHP and SP)

 

4) Armor: +9 Medical Scrubs [1] debatable (mb u can offer a good hp armor). Gives us 350 Def. 10 Mdef. ACD -10% and +12% to heal. Not the best but it is what it is. 

Cards: Im currently using Angeling card it gives 25% elemental reduction. But slot is definitely for Tao Gunka. U don't need ghostring cause ull have 65% neutral property reduction from equip.

 

5) Weapon: +11 Deus Ex Machina [3]: i rly like this weapon/ At +11 it gives u 22% MHP (for Votum) and MSP -11% ACD and most important: -70% FCT reduction. Ofc high refined recovery light will give u more heal but not so much. And we have -70% FCT reduction remember?

Cards: x3 Heart Hunter Sanare for +30% heal.

U can obtain weapon from OCP 50 (or buy from players its pretty expensive)

 

6) Shield: +11 Spenta Armati: Another insane equip: gives u 40% boss and mobs damage reduction (so its -60 with legacy). +33% MHP and MSP. 25% resist to Holy property. 15% resist to neutral property. And yes. With avoidance cape it will be 65% reduction. Almost as if u had ghostring

U can get shield from OCP 58 (or vends ofc)

 

7)  Garment: +7 Avoidance Cape: i rly like this one. +10% MHP and MSP. -15% ACD. if praefatio lvl 10 reduce 50% neutral property damage (its became 65% with spenta armati remember?). Reduce FCT of renovatio by 100%. With High Heal 5 reduce Shadow (what?) and Water !!! propety damage by 75%. That garment is very good could be obtained from OCP 44

 

8) Boots: +11 Shoes of Judex [1]: well here we go again: +20% MHP and SP. reduce high heal cooldown (not like we rly need it) 1 sec. ACD  -20% But ! if oratio lvl 10 (and we can obtain lvl 10 easily) ACD -70%. VCT-50%!!! Besides we get +80 mdef and +64% heal (for every 4 of Lauda Agnus and 4 Lauda Ramus. We r supports, remember? ). Well this boots r insane too (not a 60% damage reduction but... )

Card: Midnight Licheniyes  for 20% heal. Or mb some card that gives u MHP boost (im too bad at math to count whats better)

Can be obtained from OCP 60 (or vends)

 

9) Accessories: x2 Ring of Adoramus [1]: We get +30% heal (if oratio lvl 10) -10% sp consumption and -30 VCT% per ring. So its +60, -20, -60. Pretty nice. Cause now we have more then -100% ACD and -100% VCT reduction.

Cards: Broken Security Beta x2 - more vit. more hp for votum.

rings can be obtained OCP 48  + OCP_im_too_lazzy_to_ search. (and vends ofc)

 

 

Well thats it for now. In the end we have a real healing tank with 100 ACD and VCT reduction. -70% FCT (and we can cut some FCT too but ill write later about it thou i dont think we can get insta cast for all skills). 60% damage reduction. 65 neutral property. 75 to water. Oh my.
Comments/advices etc approtiated, 
Hope there will be more fs priests, Not only Ado builds x_X

 

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Sorry 4 mistakes  :huh:


Edited by Odindvatri, 08 June 2024 - 10:21 AM.

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#2 Odindvatri

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Posted 08 June 2024 - 05:41 PM

Part 2 Skills:

 

Before we start lets talk about FCT reduction in this build. 

We already have -70% from Deus Ex Machina. And - 0.1 sec if u use Ghost Fire. Now additional ways to lower FCT:

1) Minor Casting Stone (Garment) gives u - 0.3 sec and Minor Casting Stone (Dual) gives 0.1. Getting it toghether gives - 0.3. So its 0.7 sec FCT.

2) Spell Caster Shadow Set: +10 Earring and +10 Pendant give u -0.3 sec OR +10 Armor and +10 Shoes give u the same -0.3 (it doesn't stack! So u cant make -0.6).

3) Archbishop Stone (Lower) gives u -0.1 per lvl of expatio. So its -0.5 if u have 5 (there is the problem u can have it 5 but in the late game i believe at least the build i play).

So if i correct we get -1.6 sec FCT. And remember u have -70% FCT and -100 VCT. I think its almost insta cast for most of the skills (didn't test yet cause thous shadow things r high expensive and i dont have it). If no insta at least u r very fast.

 

For other shadow slots: 

1) Weapon - im using healing shadow weapon +5% heal. Just cause i dont rly know what to use in this slot. Every advice will be approtiated.

2) Armor/Shield/Shoes: for me its Spellflow Shadow Set (the cast cant be interrupted outside the WoE). Cause we dont have insta cast. We tank. And we need to rebuff while being hitted by mobs.

 

Now lets talk about skills:

Aco:

1)  Ruwatch -1 (noone can hide) revials hidden characters/mobs

2) Teleport - 2 (random warp on 1st to run from or to run to. Tele to save point on 2nd)

3) Warp Portal - 4  (4 memo saves)

4) Pneuma - 1 (against ranged attacks)

5) Heal - 3 (yes. its only 3 cause u dont rly need it. we have a lot of other healing skill as cardinal)

6) Cure - 1 (cures Blind not rly needed but u just need to spend skill points)

7) Aqua Benedicta -1 (Ofc u can always buy Holy Water), Make a holy water.

8) Increase Agility - 10 (agi 4 not_in_party ppl) Gives + to agi stat

9) Decrease Agility - 1 (just to spend skill points. Years ago when i was playing (not here thou). It rly helped during PVP fights cause its cancels agi buff. But for now i dont think its good. The only trick - it triggers "cast detect" mobs. Not much help thou)

10) Blessing - 10 (same as Agi but gives str/int/dex)

11) Divine Protection - 5 (prereq 4 blessing)

12) Angelus 10 (gives u a little little hp boost for Votum + 50% VIT defence. As i was told after all changes VIT def now mostly usless)

 

Priest:

1) Kyrie Eleison - 8 (Yes its only 8 cause u need skill points for other buffs and has no delay to recast so u can spam. Besides its almost as good as 10. But if u feel u need it 10 - u can always cut other skills. For example gloria). protects from hits 

2) Gloria -3 Its 3 cause the dif. is 20 secs instead of 10 for comfortable play. Like u can rebuff your party while not recasting gloria every sec. Gives + 30 luck. Good for luck shield and luck oriented guys. Luck is always good u know. Can be cutted to 1.

3) Magnificat - 5. Well as gloria 5 for comfortable play. Besides lvl 5 has the same duration as Offertum lvl 5. So u just cast magni then offertum and when offertum almost expires - recast both. Doubles SP regen. (yes u can use it when low sp to regen instead of using offertum. Even without offertum with all self buffs the votum heal is ok). 

4) Status Recovery 1- well it clears frozen stone and stun. Helpfull sometimes if u clicked with wrong timing Lauda Agnus for example (it has delay and u cant recast it) and ur partymember is still frozen.

5) Ressurection - 4 revives with 80% hp recover. U can try 1st lvl but its rly pain cause revives only with 10%. Need to be  a pro priest and have a good timings to use 1st lvl. (and yes its pain again)

6) Increase SP Recovery 5 - prereq. for meditation. Regens u some sp.

7) Assumptio 5 - good defensive skill. Increase ur def (and magic def? When i was playing it reduced 30% of damage so im not sure 100%. But in stat window only physical def ups. So i guess only def)  plus give 10% heal buff if u heal smn with assumtio casted.

8) Lex Divina 5 - gives silence to a target (if target has resist or cant be silenced it wont). Useless now but prereq to Lex Aeterna.

9) Lex Aeterna 1- well this skill is useless now on mobs (cause we have better version) but still rocks on MVPs. Doubles the damage of the next attack and u can rly spam it cause u have 100% ACD reduction.

10) Imposito Manus 5 - +25 Atk and Matk to u and party. Always good to have a better damage.

11) Suffragim 0 - yes its 0. the 3d level gave 20% VCT reduction to u and party and was not bad when lvling as a priest or hp or ab. But playing cardinal u dont rly want it (u have 100% VCT reduction and u party members usually have high VCT reduction either)

12) Meditatio 10 - maxsp+ spregen+ (increase hp recovery of heal not sure does it work for heal only or for all "heals").  

13) Sanctuary 3 - i dont like sanctuary and u dont have much skill points, So its prereq. Heals ppl in a small area (and emperium lol. At least that was before). Can be placed anywere of ur point of view - thats the only plus. 

14) Aspersio 4 - prereq, plus gives target's weapon Holy property. Sometimes its usefull on MVPs. (btw to my surprise not all know that u can cancel aspersio effect if unequip the weapon)

15) Safety Wall 10 - i love this skill. Gives 11 hit melee immortality was great in PVPs in good old times. Usefull on MVPs.

 

High Priest:

1) Coluseo Heal 3 - AoE heal. Has a delay

2) Renovatio 4 - heals 8% of targets hp every 5 sec. Pretty nice

3) High Heal 5 - well it was a super usefull as AB but now its just a heal u use sometimes cause Votum has a 2 sec healing interval. And HH heals much more then dilecto or coluseo. Has a delay (had none with proper Arch Bishop gear but we are cardinals not AB). Just combine play with all other heals. U need 5 lvl so u can get a 75% water resist from cape.

4) Offertorium 5 - greatly increase ur healings. Like almost doubles Votum heal. For example on 227 i have 77k+ without and 116k+ heal with Offertorium. Cures some abnormal statuses (like bleeding e t.c.). Cant be used with magni. So u need to cast magni first then offertorium. Recast when offertorium ends if u have 5 lvl magni (same time interval). And 5 lvl gives -30% VCT reduction by Adoramus ring

5) Clementia 3 - AoE bless

6) Ancilla 1 - gives u 1 ancilla that increase healing, sp regen, when used. Or needed to Epiclesis cast.

7) Epiclesis 1 or 5 - AoE ressurect plus increase hp and regen hp/sp. Im currently using lvl 1 (cause not MVP often). U can lvl it to 5 after ull get 50 cardinals jobs (ull get unused 4 skill points to spend). But. But. Mb its a better idea to boost Expiato so u get -0.5sec FCT reduction with Stone .  Still thinking.

8) Vituperatum 4 - mass lex aeterna for range 5. Has a casting time and delay, Good for style play like: TP->Gather Mobs->Vituperatum (if ur partyplayer doesn't one shot)->Convenio. Useless on MVP so mb u can cut it after get 250 lvl and get Epiclesis and Expiato lvl 5 then. Or mb ull still use lvling others or nightmare bio or i dont even know.

9) Praefatio 10 - great skill. It gives shield like Kyrie but for 16 hits and doesn't has max hp restriction. But has a cooldown. Anyway its rly great and u can use Kyrie when its on cooldown. 10 lvl Needed to get 50% neutral property reduction by cape

10) Oratio 10 - u need it 10 to get -70 ACD and - 50 VCT from boots and 30% heal from ring. And this skill highlights mobs.

11) Convenio 1 - if u r a leader - summons all party to u: "TP->Gather Mobs->Vituperatum (if ur partyplayer doesn't one shot)->Convenio." 

12) Duple Light 5 - prereq to vituperatum and Expiatio

13) Expiatio 1 or 5. Well i never used this one. It gives 25% armor penetration efecct on phys or mag damage. Needed for -0.5 sec FCT with stone . As before u can allocate 4 point from 50 cardinal jib. Or cut Vituperatum after all.

14) Sacrament 0 - yes. its  zero cause: we have 70% FCT reduction and its not stacked (having 70 and 50 only 70 will counts). On high lvls almost everyone has FCT reduction or such things and dont rly need it.  Still good playing AB or low lvls support thou.

15) Lauda Agnus 4 - clears some debuffs gives 10% hp. Needed for boots

16) Lauda Ramus 4 - clears other debuffs gives 20% critical damage. Needed for boots

17) Clearance 4 - remove buff and debuff, status effects from 1 target. Can be used on mobs. 92% of success is high enough on my opinion.

18) Silentium 1 - mass lex divina. Well not very usefull. Mb u should cut it for Clearance lvl 5 

19) Cantocandidus 3 - AoE agi

 

Cardinal:

1) Presens Acies 5 - skill for crit players. Inc crit damage. 

2) Dilectio Heal 5 - aoe heal a little bit better then Coluseo (and does not have delay) but has cast time. Generates AP. Combine with other heal if needed.

3) Mediale Votum 5 - our new great heal. AoE + based on hp (more hp = more heal) and casts automatically during 120 sec. The only problem it has 2 sec period between heals so sometimes ull need other heal skills.

4) Repatatio 5 - fully restores targets hp (except mobs e t.c.). Cooldown 10 sec. Great. Just great.

5) Argutus Telum 5 - ignores 25% of phys res.Buff phys skills oriented players

6) Competentia 5 - well. I didn't quite get how it works: it  increseas patk matk - checked. restores 100% hp/sp - not checked. Is it one time? Or like Votum? have no idea. Costs 200 AP.

7) Benedictum 5 - phys oriented attack buff. Gives 1 AP

8) Argutus Vita 5 - same as Telum but for magic resistance. Buff mag. oriented players.

9) Religio 5 - increases magic damage but also gives phys/mag resistance. Mb its a good idea to buff all party with this skill. Mb its not and u should buff only mag players and tanks/high hp or smth like that. Gives 1 AP

10) 4 skill points that u can allocate to high priest skills for example. LikeExpatio or Epiclesis.

 

I think thats the end of part 2.

Part 3. Stats.:

Well not much to say. I have no idea how allocate stats:

str: 2

agi 100: for bleeding resist (thou we have offertorium)

Vit: 130 for Votum.

Int: 130 CAUSE WE CAN. (or just 128 for regen)

Dex: 1 - u have 100% VCT reduction so dont need dex.

Luck: 102 (77 needed for AA which i use ).

 

Talents:

since creative parametr doesn't work with Votum. Its

Sta: 97 (against phys)

Wis: 100 (against mag)

 

 

Thats all. Thank you for reading.


Edited by Odindvatri, 09 June 2024 - 05:24 PM.

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#3 Odindvatri

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Posted 08 June 2024 - 05:50 PM

Is interesting how tank cardi is now, it's much different from the old style AB which was 100 perfect dodge with boss class reductions with Light of Cure to spam High Heal.

 

Out of curiosity, which mvps have u tanked so far with the cardi build?

 

i haven't tested much cause right now im lvling. But all usuall (old MVPs). OGH and something like that.


Edited by Odindvatri, 08 June 2024 - 08:46 PM.

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Posted 09 June 2024 - 08:25 AM

Btw due to tests we have natural antifreez now.


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Posted 09 June 2024 - 08:45 PM

Short lvling video with 1 partymember and mass aeterna. (if ur partymember doesn't kill with 1 shot (thou now he can)):

 

https://youtu.be/psU...5qo2t5t772wZbhY

 

Tanking video: 

 

https://youtu.be/CAu...c4Jyvit3seD4-c2

 

P.s.

How do u post video on forum not url?


Edited by Odindvatri, 09 June 2024 - 09:00 PM.

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Posted 14 July 2024 - 03:57 PM

Changed armor from Medical Scrubs [1] to Gold Dragon Plate [1] cause of -0.2 FCT reduction (lost ~2k in heal). 
Due to tests with all other FCT reduction we have all skills instant cast except for Repatatio and Convenio (but they are supa fast now). We are missing like 0.1 or 0.2 FCT for them to instant too.

 

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What a nice litlle discussion we have here (we dont)


Edited by Odindvatri, 14 July 2024 - 03:59 PM.

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Posted 06 August 2024 - 11:22 PM

Short lvling video with 1 partymember and mass aeterna. (if ur partymember doesn't kill with 1 shot (thou now he can)):

 

https://youtu.be/psU...5qo2t5t772wZbhY

 

Tanking video: 

 

https://youtu.be/CAu...c4Jyvit3seD4-c2

 

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How do u post video on forum not url?

 

You need to paste the url that has "watch?v=" in it, which you can copy in the address bar at the top on YouTube. For example, the url you'd post for the first video is this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psULBegV5Ew

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Posted 06 August 2024 - 11:28 PM

This is a pretty cool solid guide for tanking! I was a tank support AB main when i was playing too, but basically stopped when 4th jobs came out. So thank you for writing such an interesting guide. 

 

Have you tried tanking bosses like YSF, Tomb of Remorse, and 18.1 Villa? How did those go if you have? Also how is tanking when the enemy dispells you, like from Valkyrie Randgris?

 

For grinding, what about equips that give Endure effect so you do not stagger while gathering monsters, such as Bearer Shadow set, Eddga Card, or +12 Whiteknight Amor ?

 

As for technical terms, "from mobs and bosses" belong to the class category, which can be rephrased as "from all class enemies". The full wording for those is normal class and boss class enemies. 


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