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[Viri]

Just add 20% to all prices if the seller is female duh.

[KamiKali]

I edited my post, to make it more clear, since I never stated the average is 7.5bil.

 

It took me less than 1 month to receive the offers that I had, I actually received all 4 offers within 1-2 weeks of each other. If I had 4 bryns to sell, they would have all sold for higher than your sales. /swt These were the offers I received about 1 week ago.

 

I'm clearly stating the price off my experience and the offers that I received, I have no reason to artificially inflate the price of a Brynhild, since I already sold mine off.

Edited by KamiKali, 18 July 2013 - 06:46 AM.

[KamiKali]

The root problem with your argument is because you sold the bryn for 2-3 months. Yes, 2 months ago brynhilds were actually a lot cheaper and I would have agreed with your statement that 5bil was a valid low end. Due to the offers that I currently received, I would have to say it is low longer at a 5bil low end because no one in their right minds would sell it for that low, given the fact that higher prices are plausible.

 

Your "economy" statement is invalid because you simply cannot say there is less zeny on the server. In any online game system without a reliable money sink system, the concept of "less zeny on the server" does not exist. The economy we are discussing (or at least I am) is of the current economy, not one of 2 months past. Please do not pull the "economy" card when you don't know what kind of profession I am. The reason for deflation of items such as Thorn Staffs, Variants, due to GM policies, not due to players not wanting anymore. You can see that those items were selling at a very consistent price until the implementation of resettable ET runs.

 

Supply and demand is the most crude and elementary of economy, with no relevancy to this Brynhild price discussion since an item such as a Bryn won't ever have diminishing demand because of low input/creation into the market versus a much faster pace of players who are able to obtain the means of a Bryn. I believe this year there were at most 15-20 Brynhilds made. I can guarantee you that over 20 players have risen from not being able to obtain a Bryn to being able to obtain one.

 

The OP is asking for current and recent prices, not an average of 2 months, because then the prices of other MVP cards would have change as well. For example Tao's 2-3 Month "average" is probably 80-90bil as opposed to the currently 70bil or less. =)

 

My price is 4 offers given in the last week, compared to your "averages of 50 offers in the last 2-3 months", I'd say mine is more accurate.

Edited by KamiKali, 18 July 2013 - 07:28 AM.

[Undeniedha]

MvP cards

 

Amon Ra card - 5 ~ 6,5b
Dracula card - 5 ~ 7b
Hatii card - 7 ~ 8b
Mistress card - 5 ~ 6b
Orc Lord card - 6b
Osiris card - 3 ~ 5b
Pharaoh card - 5 ~ 6b
RSX-0806 card - 5b
Stormy Knight card - 3 ~ 6b
Turtle General card - 5 ~ 6b
White Lady card - 5 ~ 7b

 

 

 

God Items WoE 2

 

Brynhild - 5 ~ 6,5b

 

 

hmmmmm

[KamiKali]

Your previous post offered no new discussion or anything to address since all you did was basically say no to my points without further evidence.

 

I will reiterate for the last time (aka this will be my last post in on this topic of Brynhild sales), since you have provided nothing new to the table:

Same for the concept of "less zeny on the server" that for you does not exist.

And i wasn't obviously talking of deflation of the crappy things you mentioned above but deflation of current server economy. (All is decreasing hard, not just ET loot, didn't you notice it ? )

Result is not because of less zeny on the server. Deflation is the result of production of items compared to the amount of current demand. Influx of items = finding or creating. It does not mean circulation. Constant circulation usually means a consistent price, unless the item becomes obsolete due to newer items. In this case, there have not been any better items to replace a Brynhild with, so the irrelevancy.

 

Where did u play in the past ? Yggdrasil ? Yeah, cause in ymir even my grandma got a personal bryn. In the current market there are 2392932399239 bryns for sale and you are telling me about low input/creation ? Who matters since there are already 238238238238 in the server and most of them are for sale every month.

If you don't understand what low input/creation means then there's no point to this discussion. If you don't try to educate yourself with what those words mean either, further discussion is pointless. Input/Creation means Okolnir runs aka making brynhilds. You can say there is a ton in circulation, aka the number of brynhilds in existence, but you cannot say there is a ton that is being Inputted into the system. I was not addressing circulation. There are no multiple interpretations of this.

 

And just to clarify : I AUCTIONED MY BRYNS FOR 2 MONTHS, BUT I SOLD ALL 3 OF THEM 10 DAYS AGO (i can post screens of deal/ticket to support for namechange as well) at the best 3 offers i received (always updated offers as well, i'm not so stupid to sell a thing for a 2 month old offer).

 

I'd say is more accurate my vision since i sold 3 bryns ten days ago after i auctioned them for a long period, receiving a ton of offers from a great range of players. And not 4 offers in the last  week

 

Here you contradict yourself. If you received so many offers with a great range of players, there obviously is a huge demand as well. Unfortunately I don't see 123091238 people selling Bryns. There is probably at most 10 Brynhilds actively being sold right now. If I alone received 4 different offers and you received your great range as well, then this means there is greater demand than supply. It's also questionable as to why you kept saying you sold 3 bryns in the last 2 months and then suddenly claim you sold them all in the last 10 days, along with the need to look at your ticket to confirm the sale value. I'm not saying what you've said isn't true, but it's certainly questionable.

 

Also, it's regardless the length of which you auctioned the Bryns. This thread is for recent prices, not ones that you received months ago. Additionally because it's requesting recent there would be an invisible cut off date of which your past offers became invalid to the calculation of the price range, hence my price estimation of 6b low end to 6.5b average end would be more accurate since they were all within 2 weeks of this post, and within 1 week of each other. Regardless all of my offers were higher than those averages.

 

 

Claims of experience are futile if you can't back it up.

 

I understand that you're trying to justify yourself for selling your Bryns for lower than what you could have gotten. People do that sometimes, it's okay.

Edited by KamiKali, 18 July 2013 - 09:26 AM.

[Mulder1]

Mini Bosses cards
Entweihen Crothen card

Around 1.3b~3b. Just 1 class get the most benefits from this card and to do so, it will depend of too many variables.

Brynhild is more useful since it gives you ATK percent as well as HP/SP bonus.

[KamiKali]

Around 1.3b~3b. Just 1 class get the most benefits from this card and to do so, it will depend of too many variables.

Brynhild is more useful since it gives you ATK percent as well as HP/SP bonus.

 

Already received an offer of a Bryn for one, so no, you're wrong Haseo.

[Andini]

Just add 20% to all prices if the seller is female duh.

this is pretty much true in most things.  i know some girls on ro that can easily sell things more than what i can, not to mention quicker. you would be surprised at guys willing to spend a little more to please the girl

 

also applies in buying in some cases.  ive put up chats on my char buying 100 kp / certain amount of zeny at a HIGHER price than an alted client of a female char and the female char got more desperate guys wanting to sell at a lower price

 

boobs, that is all

[Viri]

Already received an offer of a Bryn for one, so no, you're wrong Haseo.

 

The one I know of was traded for a MADE megingard.

[michaeleeli]

@ KamiKali : you are right (and it seems also you have a lot of free time to burn, i can't compete with you )

 

 

 

 

 

 

(I always forget is useless to discuss with children.)

 

Just from carefully reading, all I saw was Kami simply stating what trade she has done and how you are so fixated on your 3 sold brynds representing the most of the market. 

 

First off, even if you tried selling them 24/7 for months in Eden, doesn't mean that you reach everyone. Lots of people don't bother going to Eden to look at chats anymore, nor do they go through the sea of market threads. It's normal if she has more connections and sold it for a higher price.

 

You sold your last bryn 10 days ago, and she sold hers after that. You said supply  & demand - now you have none and she does, so why can't she have sold it for higher? You'd think it takes months to see god item price changes, but you should know by now, a 20% change on the prices in a few days isn't surprising anymore. And your "I sold 3 brynds so I know the market price more clearly than you" doesn't represent anything. There are plenty of ways to contact other buyers and get hold of them, and its obvious you're oblivious to them.

 

And what, is she just supposed to not report it at all that she sold hers for 7.5b? Seriously, all she did in her first post was to report what happened with her brynd, and even one trade makes a case and should affect the price short term. Your comment afterwards were just about angry rants of how impossible her deal was been. Deal with it, you couldn't find a better seller than she did, and just stooooooooop reminding us in every post you are the king in market trading because it doesn't uphold any of your points.

[Tene85]

 1) i'm the biggest idiot on earth (why wouldn't earn more zenys from my bryns ?) 2) maybe 7b+ is really too high for a brynhild with this market situation )

 

 

i pick option 1
and i also think that toons of people follow my same choise...

dunno really if you consider from all point of view the real cost of a bryns...

eco a castle or get right now the luck to find all the pieces for make one, really ask toons of time... so you sell your bryns for low price.. well.. good for the buyers... and you get stealed.. that's pretty simple

right now the woe situation also don't help, just 1 ally make Eco castle, you need to value this fact.. and the same ally last woe pick 6/10 castle... so the chances to make a godlike item are more low right now, this raise the price

you speak about Economical stuff in a game... i hope you don't move on the same way in the real life.. or well, if you do, call me, i can get easy rich^^

[Ralis]

[mod]I'm sorry, but this thread just can't exist without endless bickering. Prices are going to constantly fluctuate based on availability and how much someone actually wants that card / item at that given moment. In addition, having this thread pinned is essentially giving one person direct say over the value of an item when it is really the community as a whole that can buy or sell for whatever price they see fit. Unpinning and locking.[/mod]