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[kitsunemimimode]

I don't know what i want to do for weapons. i was wondering if i should bother getting left and right hand mastery so i can wear 2 daggers or if i should just stick to dagger + armguard.

i'm currently working towards getting the crescent arm guard which i think is absolutely amazing.

would like to know other player's opinion whether which would be the best option

[PedroProplayer]

Dual Mikatsuki is the absolute best for Magical Type, no questions asked. I confirmed that the Matk on the off hand does influence magic skills.

The left and right hand mastery are useless unless you want to ctrl click targets, which in turn is a silly idea to begin with. You'd never get high aspd with 2 daggers, neither would you ever do high damage either.

I made a +7 Crescent Armguard. I am satisfied with it but I don't really need it since I am going physical throwing type.

[kitsunemimimode]

does it affect the aftercast delay of exploding dragon too?

and wait... i can dual wield without having to learn the hand masteries?!

and its because i'm NOT a physical throw type that i am tempted to stick with the crescent arm guard.

[Xyst]

does it affect the aftercast delay of exploding dragon too?

and wait... i can dual wield without having to learn the hand masteries?!

and its because i'm NOT a physical throw type that i am tempted to stick with the crescent arm guard.

They dont have super great magic damage that is why you should yes or yes use dual dagger for magic damage. You don't need to get any skill to dual dagger. You also have 4 skill to dodge damage you can get a compensation for not use shield.
Cicada - for normal attacks / Reverse Tatami for ranges / Illusion shadow / pure soul that at lvl 5 gives 50% change of miss skill and magics also recovering 100%hp and 50%sp that work over bleed, but you cannot move but still can use skills.

The best magic dagger is dual well enchanted bazerald. I'm not sure if they can use Ancient Dagger becasue i'm not lvl 120.

[kitsunemimimode]

we can't enchant the mikatsuki?

[Xyst]

we can't enchant the mikatsuki?

You can enchant but with the K/O enchanter that only gives 2-12 def and 2-8mdef and +1 stats.
that is why 2x Spell4 bazerald can reduce 20% cast and you can dual that is -40% cast.
For magic damage also +9HBP = +50matk
or AAwing Spell03 that is -8cast
2x RWC Pendant with 2x Spell3 = 16 + 16 = -32% cast
Also +9 CoD = -20% cast
KK card = -9% cast

Total Cast redution for Magic Kagerou/Oboro
20
20
8
32
20
9
A grant total of -109 Cast Reduction and - 5 after cast delay from +9 CoD. Also the skill 16th Night reduce all the Fix Cast. So you can get instant cast. and you can even drop the AAwing and stick with the +9HBP and you still will have -101 Cast Redution.

[kitsunemimimode]

hmm, how hard is it to get spell 4 on bazerald? i dont really know anything about enchanting yet cuz i'm new to game...

[Xyst]

hmm, how hard is it to get spell 4 on bazerald? i dont really know anything about enchanting yet cuz i'm new to game...

Depends on how many Silvervine fruit do you use It can be 3 box or 20.

[PedroProplayer]

The Mikatsukis each give 5% cast reduction. I think they're better than Bazeralds for a beginner. You can concentrate your money on trying to get the other gears. The Mikatsukis aren't inferior at all and they're mcuh cheaper. They have slots, too.

All the gear he listed is expensive, by the way.

[kitsunemimimode]

sounds like that's gonna be very expensive.. i'll stick to mikatsuki for awhile... x.x thanks for all the info! really helps me plan out what i'll have to work on

[MrTyranitar]

Mikatsukis actually look pretty good. The thing (some) people aren't realizing is that they don't need to be enchanted, whereas Bazeralds would. For people with access to less funding (enchanting Bazeralds can get pricey), they're a great alternative.

[PedroProplayer]

Mikatsukis actually look pretty good. The thing (some) people aren't realizing is that they don't need to be enchanted, whereas Bazeralds would. For people with access to less funding (enchanting Bazeralds can get pricey), they're a great alternative.

Ninja enchants are lame but I'd love to get high MDEF enchants on all equipments.

If you're still interested on the +7 Crescent Armguard, PM me and I'll sell it to you.

[Kadelia]

Dual Mikatsuki is the absolute best for Magical Type, no questions asked. I confirmed that the Matk on the off hand does influence magic skills.

The left and right hand mastery are useless unless you want to ctrl click targets, which in turn is a silly idea to begin with. You'd never get high aspd with 2 daggers, neither would you ever do high damage either.

I made a +7 Crescent Armguard. I am satisfied with it but I don't really need it since I am going physical throwing type.

Absolute best you say? Have you tried RWC Dagger + Bazerald? It's over 500 MATK with +20% magical damage and a card slot and -20% cast time on the baz. Trumps Mikatsuki by a LOT.

Edited by Jaye, 10 February 2013 - 05:11 PM.

[kitsunemimimode]

Absolute best you say? Have you tried RWC Dagger + Bazerald? It's over 500 MATK with +20% magical damage and a card slot and -20% cast time on the baz. Trumps Mikatsuki by a LOT.

have you realized not everyone can afford RWC dagger? have you also realized that not everyone can afford to enchant their equipment with amazing ones?

mikatsuki is great for those who can't spend millions for bazeralds/RWC daggers or blow through millions enchanting.

if you're new to game like me, mikatsuki is the best weapon we can get our hands on for the time being with a long term goal of getting our hands on bazeralds/RWC dagger.

i saw someone today with a +12 RWC dagger and bazerald and they do a twice/thrice my dmg with two mikatsukis.

so again, although mikatsuki isn't an end-game weapon, it does well for early purposes. i'm happy with it, gets the job done.

as to the guy selling me the arm guard, i took the Xyst's advice with 2 mikatsukis and i think i'll stick with it till i can afford a bazerald with 2 spell 4's. thanks though

Edited by kitsunemimimode, 10 February 2013 - 09:56 PM.

[MeisterKirisaki]

To be fair it wasn't clear from the first and second post that people talk about the ideal weapon regarding power and affordability. That got, however, very clear when the thread developed.


I've made two Mikatsuki (about 15m each) and plan to use that if I ever play a magic Oboro. My second choice will be Bazeralds (their price tag probably comes from enchants; it's safe to assume they'll be much more than the Mikatsuki), third choice would be the RWC Memory Knife in conjunction with the Pendant (three digit million pricing). The question is if it's worth it to spend several hundred million on a Ninja type.

[Kadelia]

have you realized not everyone can afford RWC dagger? have you also realized that not everyone can afford to enchant their equipment with amazing ones?

With that attitude it would be impossible ^_^;

Otherwise, yes, everyone can afford them. It just takes time/effort.

i saw someone today with a +12 RWC dagger and bazerald and they do a twice/thrice my dmg with two mikatsukis.

Was possibly me.

third choice would be the RWC Memory Knife in conjunction with the Pendant (three digit million pricing). The question is if it's worth it to spend several hundred million on a Ninja type.

Look at it as a general investment, not a ninja investment. I have used my rwc knife constantly since making it. it is THE best noob leveling knife (600 damage 1 shotting spores with a lvl 1 novice!), its the best non-trans magic attack weapon for sages, wizards, etc, and one of the best ATK weapons for anything non-trans too. It's great for K/O and pretty decent for even some 3rd job applications.

Edited by Jaye, 10 February 2013 - 10:57 PM.

[kitsunemimimode]

it's not an attitude, it's the fact i'm only 1 month into this game. if you didn't read the whole post, i said it's a great end-game weapon (the RWC dagger +pendant) but for newbies like me who just want to get the job done so we're not completely useless with eden daggers, mikatsuki is good enough.

if i decide to take my ninja seriously, then i'll invest more time/effort on it. but right now i wanna focus on my gene though i'm pretty much using the same items. Eg. Crown of deceit, heroic backpack, etc.

i dont know why you want to engage on an argument about everything when there's no reason to. i asked for help, not criticism and humiliation of how stupid i am about this game.

but thanks for your input, now i know that if i was at least a trillionaire in this game, i can have the best gear.

[Kadelia]

I think you need to calm down and realize that you don't need to be jealous/angry that people can afford more than you, and maybe you can get some tips how to get to that same place. It's also good to know what your future options are so you're motivated for saving up zeny. I was only responding to PedroProPlayer's statement that the "mikatsuki is the absolute best weapon" not the "most economical". I agree with you that for a new player mikatsuki is a much more cost efficient investment, but you can certainly do a lot better. There are probably some in-betweens that are better than mikatsuki and not as expensive as the enchanted bazerald, too.

[Xyst]

I'm not a rich guy. And this game is just about luck or giving away your salary. I got 2 Maya Purple Card in the same Week long ago. Those were 2 Lucky Old Card Album but who cares. Mikatsuki can do the job of getting you to 150. After that if you want to keep the mage route you will need to invest in the gear that I told you.
Remenber that you can reset at 150 and change your Build to something that help you reach yours goals.

[PedroProplayer]

It seems I was indeed wrong. I myself have been away from this game for over an year and I had no idea RWC dagger was that overpowered. I have to agree that my idea that double Mikatsukis are the best option is wrong.

I believe it totaly is acceptable to spend that much money on a Ninja. With that set, they're likely one of the highest damage outputters in the game at this point.

[Facekiller]

my advice for for dual dagger ninja weapons wouldbe a spell enchanted bazerald and a mikatsuki with high mdef enchants... this way the dagger will also help act as a shield for magic attacks (the only attack that should really hit you as a ninja)