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[Havenn]

=o omg if i had 800 EMB I'd be summoning kiel non-stop.

I am curious about the MoH as well....

As for tattoo's from my limited testing with x2 bako and x2 buwaya I kinda scrapped using those on my gen and put them on alts who could benefit more.

The BSB thing just had me all depressed when it was bearing me no additional damage than what I had been doing, but comboing it with % might show a much better result

Only have Acolyte MoH so I can't test that =/

Edited by Havenn, 16 April 2013 - 11:25 AM.

[Joaco]

I'm doing HW now, when I'm done I'll test that thing on Azzy's calc.
Btw, do I only need 100 Eden Merit badges to get the Merchant MoH? It worths 500 valor or Bravery badges. And 2 EMB are 10 Braveries. I think I'm doing good maths, but not sure though lol!

[killedbytofu]

2 badges a day for 10 a day


500/10 = 50
2 x 50 = 100

you sir, are correct XD

having 2 extra characters on your account helps tremendously with saving badges up

[NukeDuke]

why fight kiel?

[Nero89]

this thread is so informative and let me learn lots of things for mvping, and stacking proper reductions.
+1 for everyone who posted in this thread.
*logging in to level my biochem ^^*

[Havenn]

why fight kiel?

For the hope he drops a card XD

I like the summoner, very convenient way to fight good mvps without camping/looking

Edited by Havenn, 17 April 2013 - 05:34 AM.

[NukeDuke]

I just look at the card. I am guessing it works with CC.

[DrAzzy]

I just look at the card. I am guessing it works with CC.

Kiel card is after cast delay, not cast time (so no effect on CC, since CC has no after cast delay).

[killedbytofu]

kiel card = rangers + warlocks

would be so OP to be a ranger with Kiel x2 on. i think it might actually cause the entire server to just simply explode. GG

[DrAzzy]

Arrow shower doesn't have skill delay though, it has skill-specific cooldown. So Kiel doesn't effect it either.

[Havenn]

would work for AB or no?

[jshun123]

Doesnt CC have motion delay?

[Joaco]

Just did the test on the cal. Using +9 EMH (dark ping), Pirate dagger, BDM, +9 HBP and +12 HF EA4/4. Case1 is using MoHx2 and Case2 one MoH and BSB set. Using Pyroclastic with Dieter 150 btw.



The difference is like 10k or so. Double MoH is better and don't lose the Variants' effects. So, I guess I'll stick to double MoH /rice
I'm gonna put the skills tomorrow if I have time, I've been busy these days, sorry about that.

@Nero89: I'm glad it helped you

[sb120495]

Kiel card works only on global delay not skill re-use delay.It is much more useful in classic where skill re-use delay practically doesn't exist.In renewal many 3rd job skills have skill re-use delay and no global delay.

[DrAzzy]

Uh, you forgot to include the +50 atk from the BSB....

[Joaco]

Uh, you forgot to include the +50 atk from the BSB....

Oh! Sorry, my bad, it was because I thought I had to put the ATK in Case1 and Case2 again, which I did and put +50 in case2, but the result was kinda OP so I just delete that and put 0 instead. Forgot to add those +50 again >.<
I just did the testing again and double MoH is still better.

Case1 Case2

AB (Min) 2594 2562
AB (Avg) 2886 2842
AB (Max) 3178 3121

Btw, I don't have to put the %Ranged again in case 1 and 2 like I did on the first test, right? I didn't on this one.

[Havenn]

Strings after cast delay reduction seems to help AB delay....

[DrAzzy]

In the SS shown above, you have 52% ranged damage on both (26 for both cases, plus 26 added individually for each each). That's probably wrong, since I can't think of any way that could happen. But I don't think it changes the conclusion of those calculations.

My intent was for you to put all the effects that you have in both cases (so HBP bonus, Pyro, EMH, etc) in the base case, then it's easier to put in only the stuff from the gear you're comparing in the 1 and 2 columns. For each stat, the calc will add the number in the base case to the number in column 1 or 2 (for each case, respectively), and do the calculations with that number.



Yes, kiel and strings will both help delay of acid bomb, but not cart cannon.

CC only has motion delay, as far as I can tell.

[Zayaan]

CC has 0.5 sec cast delay.

Edited by Zayaan, 18 April 2013 - 10:50 AM.

[DrAzzy]

CC has 0.5 sec cast delay.

So it does. Wiki corrected.

[Havenn]

Oh thank tha lawwwwd I thought it did! Yesss I am not insane (debatable)

[killedbytofu]

just put 150 agi and 150 dex so you can throw bananas at mvps faster. banana gens are the new rage

[NukeDuke]

bannana bombs make mvps sit lol?

[Havenn]

this better be a troll.....and not some type of amazing thing he found. I can't afford more resets xD

[DrAzzy]

It is, of course. But why would you make a gen without sling item? o_o