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#101 Razzez

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 11:39 PM

This is the latest log. I don't have the packet info but it was pretty much the same. I had copied & forgot to paste it before I decided to do a reboot this time.

12:36:07.141774 IP (Terms of Service 0x0, ttl 120, id 16402, offset 0, flags [DF], proto: TCP (6), length: 50) 128.241.92.112.4500 > myipaddress:port: P, cksum 0x8f2e (correct), 341953:341963(10) ack 2718 win 259
12:36:07.141824 IP (Terms of Service 0x0, ttl  48, id 60806, offset 0, flags [DF], proto: TCP (6), length: 40) myipaddress:port > 128.241.92.112.4500: ., cksum 0x3f94 (correct), ack 341963 win 32875
12:36:07.444866 IP (Terms of Service 0x0, ttl  48, id 60807, offset 0, flags [DF], proto: TCP (6), length: 46) myipaddress:port > 128.241.92.112.4500: P, cksum 0x619b (correct), 2718:2724(6) ack 341963 win 32875
12:36:07.503666 IP (Terms of Service 0x0, ttl 120, id 16712, offset 0, flags [DF], proto: TCP (6), length: 43) 128.241.92.112.4500 > myipaddress:port: P, cksum 0x3aeb (correct), 341963:341966(3) ack 2724 win 259
12:36:07.503742 IP (Terms of Service 0x0, ttl  48, id 60808, offset 0, flags [DF], proto: TCP (6), length: 40) myipaddress:port > 128.241.92.112.4500: ., cksum 0x3f8b (correct), ack 341966 win 32875
12:36:07.542589 IP (Terms of Service 0x0, ttl  48, id 60809, offset 0, flags [DF], proto: TCP (6), length: 40) myipaddress:port > 128.241.92.112.4500: F, cksum 0x3f8a (correct), 2724:2724(0) ack 341966 win 32875
12:36:07.554467 IP (Terms of Service 0x0, ttl 120, id 16795, offset 0, flags [DF], proto: TCP (6), length: 79) 128.241.92.112.4500 > myipaddress:port: P, cksum 0x5de3 (correct), 341966:342005(39) ack 2724 win 259
12:36:07.554512 IP (Terms of Service 0x0, ttl  48, id 60810, offset 0, flags [DF], proto: TCP (6), length: 40) myipaddress:port > 128.241.92.112.4500: R, cksum 0xbfca (correct), 2725:2725(0) ack 342005 win 0

I also have a question. If I am vending with both clients in Eden HQ, & they are, & have both received Time Gaps, when I stop windump, what difference does it make whether I am using one or two? I am still posting the end of the log which should be the same regardless if I understand things correctly.

Of course I will do only one client if needed I just don't understand how the results of the log would be any different. I previously posted a log with only one client connected & I didn't think there was a difference but you guys can read these better then I can.

Update: I've been on, with just the one client open, in Eden for awhile & haven't received a Time Gap error yet, however I have been active & not idle. I am about to go idle so I'll see about how long it takes before I get one.

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 02:47 AM

= 4500


Oops, I mixed them up. :blush:

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I also have a question. If I am vending with both clients in Eden HQ, & they are, & have both received Time Gaps, when I stop windump, what difference does it make whether I am using one or two? I am still posting the end of the log which should be the same regardless if I understand things correctly.

Of course I will do only one client if needed I just don't understand how the results of the log would be any different. I previously posted a log with only one client connected & I didn't think there was a difference but you guys can read these better then I can.


Having two clients open simultaneously makes it more difficult to follow the chain of events described by a WinDump log because the packets sent from and received by each of the clients will be mixed together.

If you preserve the local ports recorded in a log that was captured while two clients were open simultaneously, then it should be possible to separate the entries pertaining to each client using regular expressions. In fact, you don't even need to make any redactions to your logs unless they contain your WAN IP address.
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Posted 27 April 2013 - 03:53 AM

Wow it's getting pretty lively here. :pif:

I don't mind debates here as long as it's not getting too personal. :heh:

Back to topic, I just added the netstat method on the first post to get the map server while I haven't resumed on my coding (too busy in real life). I'm pretty sure it will be pretty useful.

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 01:35 PM

Oops, I mixed them up. :blush:


Having two clients open simultaneously makes it more difficult to follow the chain of events described by a WinDump log because the packets sent from and received by each of the clients will be mixed together.

If you preserve the local ports recorded in a log that was captured while two clients were open simultaneously, then it should be possible to separate the entries pertaining to each client using regular expressions. In fact, you don't even need to make any redactions to your logs unless they contain your WAN IP address.


It's okay Axylus. All I have been using is port 4500 ;)

I didn't realize earlier how the two clients effected the way the log would show due to the fact they both, were not only receiving Time Gaps at about the same time, but that they were both were already disconnect due to them whenever I posted the logs. I do understand from what everyone has said now that it is easier to tell what's happening with only the one client connected so that's all I have been doing now as shown on the previous post & will be shown on this post too.

I haven't been making any changes to the log other then my to remove my IP. The only reason I haven't been posting the full log is due to it being so long. If it will help to see the full & complete log let me know & I will attach a link for it.

Wow it's getting pretty lively here. :pif:

I don't mind debates here as long as it's not getting too personal. :heh:

Back to topic, I just added the netstat method on the first post to get the map server while I haven't resumed on my coding (too busy in real life). I'm pretty sure it will be pretty useful.


Yes it has gotten active now.

I don't feel there have been any problems with things getting to personal though. I feel everyone has just been helping to clarify things for me & that there was a question on my part as to whether or not the IP made a difference on windum versus the tracerts. That was the only thing I think there was an issue over.

This is my latest info with only ONE client connected again:

D:\Downloads>windump -i 1 -w rawfile.log net 128.241.92.112 and tcp port 4500
windump: listening on \Device\NPF_{F831F7C1-65B0-4591-A2F8-DD9855742023}
43934 packets captured
306925 packets received by filter
0 packets dropped by kernel


08:46:47.789032 IP (Terms of Service 0x0, ttl  48, id 23766, offset 0, flags [DF], proto: TCP (6), length: 40) myipaddress:port > 128.241.92.112.4500: ., cksum 0x5a91 (correct), ack 1018574 win 32945
08:46:48.316817 IP (Terms of Service 0x0, ttl 120, id 30581, offset 0, flags [DF], proto: TCP (6), length: 55) 128.241.92.112.4500 > myipaddress:port: P, cksum 0x37e2 (correct), 1018574:1018589(15) ack 12420 win 260
08:46:48.316873 IP (Terms of Service 0x0, ttl  48, id 23767, offset 0, flags [DF], proto: TCP (6), length: 40) myipaddress:port > 128.241.92.112.4500: ., cksum 0x5a84 (correct), ack 1018589 win 32943
08:46:48.356013 IP (Terms of Service 0x0, ttl 120, id 30667, offset 0, flags [DF], proto: TCP (6), length: 47) 128.241.92.112.4500 > myipaddress:port: P, cksum 0xe0dc (correct), 1018589:1018596(7) ack 12420 win 260
08:46:48.356072 IP (Terms of Service 0x0, ttl  48, id 23768, offset 0, flags [DF], proto: TCP (6), length: 40) myipaddress:port > 128.241.92.112.4500: ., cksum 0x5a7e (correct), ack 1018596 win 32942
08:46:48.396017 IP (Terms of Service 0x0, ttl 120, id 30697, offset 0, flags [DF], proto: TCP (6), length: 50) 128.241.92.112.4500 > myipaddress:port: P, cksum 0xaa50 (correct), 1018596:1018606(10) ack 12420 win 260
08:46:48.396076 IP (Terms of Service 0x0, ttl  48, id 23769, offset 0, flags [DF], proto: TCP (6), length: 40) myipaddress:port > 128.241.92.112.4500: ., cksum 0x5a75 (correct), ack 1018606 win 32941
08:46:49.788557 IP (Terms of Service 0x0, ttl  48, id 23780, offset 0, flags [DF], proto: TCP (6), length: 46) myipaddress:port > 128.241.92.112.4500: P, cksum 0x1c0d (correct), 12420:12426(6) ack 1018606 win 32941
08:46:49.843683 IP (Terms of Service 0x0, ttl 120, id 31798, offset 0, flags [DF], proto: TCP (6), length: 43) 128.241.92.112.4500 > myipaddress:port: P, cksum 0x560d (correct), 1018606:1018609(3) ack 12426 win 260
08:46:49.843754 IP (Terms of Service 0x0, ttl  48, id 23781, offset 0, flags [DF], proto: TCP (6), length: 40) myipaddress:port > 128.241.92.112.4500: ., cksum 0x5a6d (correct), ack 1018609 win 32940
08:46:49.854025 IP (Terms of Service 0x0, ttl  48, id 23782, offset 0, flags [DF], proto: TCP (6), length: 40) myipaddress:port > 128.241.92.112.4500: F, cksum 0x5a6c (correct), 12426:12426(0) ack 1018609 win 32940
08:46:49.893284 IP (Terms of Service 0x0, ttl 120, id 31843, offset 0, flags [DF], proto: TCP (6), length: 40) 128.241.92.112.4500 > myipaddress:port: ., cksum 0xda14 (correct), ack 12427 win 260
08:46:49.898086 IP (Terms of Service 0x0, ttl 120, id 31844, offset 0, flags [DF], proto: TCP (6), length: 40) 128.241.92.112.4500 > myipaddress:port: R, cksum 0xdb14 (correct), 1018609:1018609(0) ack 12427 win 0

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 07:37 PM

At this point I'm not sure if it's helping or not to keep posting the windump info every time I get a Time Gap Error. I'm still only using the one client though as suggested.

D:\Downloads>windump -i 1 -w rawfile.log net 128.241.92.112 and tcp port 4500
windump: listening on \Device\NPF_{F831F7C1-65B0-4591-A2F8-DD9855742023}
43934 packets captured
306925 packets received by filter
0 packets dropped by kernel


21:10:22.180471 IP (Terms of Service 0x0, ttl  48, id 45416, offset 0, flags [DF], proto: TCP (6), length: 46) myipaddress:port > 128.241.92.112.4500: P, cksum 0xfe9c (correct), 4158:4164(6) ack 684396 win 32919
21:10:22.232240 IP (Terms of Service 0x0, ttl 120, id 11392, offset 0, flags [DF], proto: TCP (6), length: 43) 128.241.92.112.4500 > myipaddress:port: P, cksum 0xc451 (correct), 684396:684399(3) ack 4164 win 256
21:10:22.232310 IP (Terms of Service 0x0, ttl  48, id 45417, offset 0, flags [DF], proto: TCP (6), length: 40) myipaddress:port > 128.241.92.112.4500: ., cksum 0xc8c3 (correct), ack 684399 win 32918
21:10:22.244970 IP (Terms of Service 0x0, ttl  48, id 45418, offset 0, flags [DF], proto: TCP (6), length: 40) myipaddress:port > 128.241.92.112.4500: F, cksum 0xc8c2 (correct), 4164:4164(0) ack 684399 win 32918
21:10:22.287041 IP (Terms of Service 0x0, ttl 120, id 11413, offset 0, flags [DF], proto: TCP (6), length: 40) 128.241.92.112.4500 > myipaddress:port: ., cksum 0x4859 (correct), ack 4165 win 256
21:10:22.289440 IP (Terms of Service 0x0, ttl 120, id 11414, offset 0, flags [DF], proto: TCP (6), length: 40) 128.241.92.112.4500 > myipaddress:port: R, cksum 0x4955 (correct), 684399:684399(0) ack 4165 win 0

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Posted 28 April 2013 - 07:45 AM

Well I played for awhile earlier while vending on my other account. Interestingly enough while I was active I never got a Time Gap Error. As soon as I went idle again & vending I did though :p_swt:
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Posted 28 April 2013 - 08:03 AM

Well I played for awhile earlier while vending on my other account. Interestingly enough while I was active I never got a Time Gap Error. As soon as I went idle again & vending I did though :p_swt:


Perhaps some other piece of software on your computer is to blame. Try temporarily disabling any software that performs functions (especially CPU-intensive functions) while your computer is idle.
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Posted 29 April 2013 - 12:03 AM

Perhaps some other piece of software on your computer is to blame. Try temporarily disabling any software that performs functions (especially CPU-intensive functions) while your computer is idle.


I wish the answer were that simple however, if anything, I have less software running when I am afk & vending, then when I am active. I have tried everything. Normally all I even have open is Firefox & Windows Live. When I am at my computer, & vending, I use these programs, however when I am afk or sleeping, I have also shut down these or any other programs. It makes no difference one way or another though. The only other programs I always have running are Norton Internet Security, Super Anti-Spyware, MSI Afterburner (for my video overclock), IP Blocker, & Ad Muncher (sometimes disabled & sometimes enabled).

Now even with everything running my CPU usage is only at about 30%. That's with the two clients running.

I wish this forum had the ability for us to enter our system specs into our profile like most forums. Unfortunately though it doesn't. Just to let you guys know I have never bought a pre-built system. I build all my own systems & mine is well above average. I keep all my components up to date & they are more then what is needed for RO. My ISP speed is with Verizon Fios & is 75/35. I may or may not have mentioned it but my CPU is an Intel Quad Processor running at 3.89 MHz. I have a RAID Mirrored setup with Sata 6.0 Hard Drives. I have NVIDIA GeForce GTX 465 1GB Video Card that is also overclocked. I am using 4GB DDR2, OCZ PC2-8500 Memory even though I know my system can't recognize the full 4MB since I am running XP. That should be more than enough info. If not & you want to know anything else just let me know.

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 09:27 PM

Nothing else?
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Posted 30 April 2013 - 10:40 PM

Nothing else?


[OLD] TOP SECRET RAGNAROK NETWORK MAP [CIRCA 2010]
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Posted 30 April 2013 - 11:17 PM

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 07:02 AM

Hello I have a little problem.

after the downloade. I dont can installing ragnarok online 2.

This here is my Error:

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 08:50 AM

Hello I have a little problem.

after the downloade. I dont can installing ragnarok online 2.

This here is my Error:

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 10:55 PM

[OLD] TOP SECRET RAGNAROK NETWORK MAP [CIRCA 2010]

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I guess I should have been with my question/s.

I don't see how this is supposed to help since you just posted your own reports along with the IP addresses that are already listed on the first post.

You didn't make any comments explaing what your point was.

Running a tracert, or probe, to the gateway itself really doesn't give accurrate information for people that are having problems. The only way to get an accurate reading is to connect to the servers IP iteself.

It appears to me that your probe report is the same as a tracert, & shows nothing more then latency issues, which isn't my problem. I would be curious however as to what program you used to run that.

I'm also running XP, as I've said previously, if you missed it.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 10:59 PM

Axylus, I replied to your last post but you haven't commented since. Did I give you enough information or do you need more?

I really do & would appreciate your help & anyone else's.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 02:09 PM

Axylus, I replied to your last post but you haven't commented since. Did I give you enough information or do you need more?

I really do & would appreciate your help & anyone else's.


I don't know what else to suggest other than that you should attempt to isolate the cause of the problem. I suggested that you test whether the problem occurs while the client is running under Linux because the results would indicate whether the problem is related to software or networking.

I can help you install Ubuntu Linux via Skype if you want. It's not difficult. :)
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:00 PM

I don't know what else to suggest other than that you should attempt to isolate the cause of the problem. I suggested that you test whether the problem occurs while the client is running under Linux because the results would indicate whether the problem is related to software or networking.

I can help you install Ubuntu Linux via Skype if you want. It's not difficult. :)


I've been attempting to isolate the cause of the problem for some time now & I have a pretty good idea what it is. It's like the error message says really "Time Gap Error". If I am active it doesn't normally occur, or if it does, it's not every day. It's only happening when I am idle & afk, in Ragial, regardless of whether or not I am vending or not. It doesn't make any difference whether I have software open or closed. It doesn't matter whether or not I am active on my PC or not. It's not a network issue on my side.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 02:12 AM

I've been attempting to isolate the cause of the problem for some time now & I have a pretty good idea what it is. It's like the error message says really "Time Gap Error". If I am active it doesn't normally occur, or if it does, it's not every day. It's only happening when I am idle & afk, in Ragial, regardless of whether or not I am vending or not. It doesn't make any difference whether I have software open or closed. It doesn't matter whether or not I am active on my PC or not. It's not a network issue on my side.

Thanks again!


The fact that the problem occurs less frequently while you're actively using your computer suggests that its cause is related to software. If you want to get to the bottom of this problem, then you need to put all of your assumptions aside and investigate it objectively. Bear in mind that no one else is reporting experiencing the same problem as you.
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 03:25 PM

The fact that the problem occurs less frequently while you're actively using your computer suggests that its cause is related to software. If you want to get to the bottom of this problem, then you need to put all of your assumptions aside and investigate it objectively. Bear in mind that no one else is reporting experiencing the same problem as you.


I'll try again to make this clearer because that isn't what I said and/or meant. I'm not making assumptions only stating the facts based on my own troubleshooting. I've also said that there are many other people that have this same issue with the Time Gap Errors. I posted a topic awhile back to verify that. I'm also sure tech support is aware of it. Just because they are not being reported on this thread or the forum doesn't mean that others aren't having the same problem. Reporting things & sending in tickets is a waste of time in most cases. I know this from experience because I've sent in many about this issue & never got any support at all. Too many things go ignored by tech support. So please put your assumptions aside that no one else is experiencing the same problem as me just because they either are not reporting them and/or you don't see them reporting them.

What I was saying is that as long as I am Active, in RO, then I am not getting the Time Gap Errors, or if I do it's not very often. They only occur immediately when I am inactive & idle. Whether or not I am vending or not. This also has nothing to do with whether or not I am using my computer or not. I am running the same software, when I am active in RO, as I run when I am idle in RO, which is mainly Firefox & Windows Live other then Internet Security & Antivirus Software. Normally when I leave the computer for a period of time I even shut down Firefox & Windows Live however the errors happen regardless.

The ONLY time I don't get constant Time Gap Errors is when I stay active in RO. So in a sense I guess you can say there is a software problem & that software is RO itself. I have uninstalled it a number of times, & reinstalled it, per tech supports recommendation, however that hasn't helped. I also already have it running directly under the C: Drive.
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Posted 05 May 2013 - 07:57 AM

Javsy I believe I've done every thing you requested me to yet I haven't seen a reply from you or anyone else offering any help in some time.

I guess that means nobody knows what to do or is able to help. I hate to say it but this is the same issue I have & had with sending in tickets to tech support. They tell you to try this & that & when you say you still have problems they stop responding :p_swt:
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Posted 05 May 2013 - 08:02 AM

I can help you install Ubuntu Linux via Skype if you want. It's not difficult. :)


I don't want to or need to install another OS. I am not trying to find a work around. I am trying to find a solution.

I'm not going to stop using XP as my OS so even if there are no issues using Linux that won't solve my problem the way I see it.
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I don't want to or need to install another OS. I am not trying to find a work around. I am trying to find a solution.

I'm not going to stop using XP as my OS so even if there are no issues using Linux that won't solve my problem the way I see it.


I wasn't suggesting that you switch to using Linux; I was suggesting that you test whether the problem also occurs in Linux because if it does, then we'll know that the fault lies with Windows, your Windows software, or your computer's hardware, and if it doesn't, then we'll know that the fault lies with your network equipment or ISP. Either way, the result will provide a big clue.
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Posted 06 May 2013 - 12:51 AM

Sorry if I haven't posted here lately as Axylus is already doing a good job. :P

Sad it may be, there's nothing we can do even if you give out your hardware specs. It's not enough to give a full story as there might be other factors just like Axylus said. It's either someone personally checks your PC remotely which I'm not willing to do. :ani_slur: *looks as Axylus*

We're not psychics to tell what OS version, what hot fixes have you installed, what build number do you have, and what applications have you installed and how did you set them up.

We have already provided you solutions on how to get more data and start an investigation, and yet you haven't provided us any. I'll only reply on something whenever I feel like to as it's really getting annoying. And also the fact that the thread is already derailed. -_-
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Posted 08 May 2013 - 07:35 PM

I wasn't suggesting that you switch to using Linux; I was suggesting that you test whether the problem also occurs in Linux because if it does, then we'll know that the fault lies with Windows, your Windows software, or your computer's hardware, and if it doesn't, then we'll know that the fault lies with your network equipment or ISP. Either way, the result will provide a big clue.


I didn't think you were suggesting that I switch to Linux. If it sounded that way it wasn't what I meant. What I was trying to say is that I only saw it as a work around, & not an actual solution, the way I was looking at it. I can see what you are thinking too though about ruling out a problem with other software or the OS itself. I don't understand totally how that would change anything to do with my network equip, or ISP, but never having used Linux before, I wouldn't have a clue about any of it. The main thing I don't understand I guess is that I know there are many people still using XP, & of course everyone runs different software, so if there is a conflict with any software I have installed on my PC, whether or not it's running, the way I see it is that that means RO has a compatibility issue, which I can't do anything to resolve personally.

I hope you can see where I am coming from.

Sorry if I haven't posted here lately as Axylus is already doing a good job. :P

Sad it may be, there's nothing we can do even if you give out your hardware specs. It's not enough to give a full story as there might be other factors just like Axylus said. It's either someone personally checks your PC remotely which I'm not willing to do. :ani_slur: *looks as Axylus*

We're not psychics to tell what OS version, what hot fixes have you installed, what build number do you have, and what applications have you installed and how did you set them up.

We have already provided you solutions on how to get more data and start an investigation, and yet you haven't provided us any. I'll only reply on something whenever I feel like to as it's really getting annoying. And also the fact that the thread is already derailed. -_-


Yes, Axylus, is doing a great job. I'm very grateful to be getting help & advice from someone at least :)

The reason I posted my hardware specs & CPU information was in response to this message:

Try temporarily disabling any software that performs functions (especially CPU-intensive functions) while your computer is idle.


I'm not sure why you would say you would need to be a psychic to know my OS version, hotfixes are installed, and/or build number I have, since I have already previously stated a few times, that I am running XP. I didn't think I needed to specify SP3 since that's the last version of XP. As far as hotfixes go Windows Update automatically installs what needs to be installed. I couldn't even tell you all the hotfixes that have been installed if I wanted to ;)

Yes you have provided me with information as to how to get more data & I have done everything you have said, so far, yet you haven't replied to any of my posts with the data I provided. I find that annoying & the fact that you now say you'll only reply whenever you feel like it because it's getting annoying is even worse. Here I have followed each of your instructions but you aren't even willing to help or reply because it's annoying to help someone. Then why bother offering to help people in the first place? Why even have this thread? I'm surely not the one who has derailed this thread & as far as I'm concerned it hasn't even been derailed. It appeared to me the purpose of your post was to help people having connection problems with RO which is what I am having. So since my Tracerts didn't provide the information I was instructed to do use windump instead.

The only thing I haven't done yet is install Linux on a separate HD since all my HD's are in use & I don't have an external drive at this time. I am still looking into getting one.

P.S. At any time, you, and/or anyone else, could have contacted me via pm instead, if you didn't want this information shared with the public, & felt it was derailing your thread. I don't see how the help that was posted can't be of benefit to others.
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Posted 08 May 2013 - 11:42 PM

As far as hotfixes go Windows Update automatically installs what needs to be installed


No they're not. It depends on the packages and other software you have. For example, specific .NET framework versions you have has its own specific hotfixes. There hotfixes are only introduced depending on what software/framework you have. And some software you usually don't know are running in .NET framework require specific packages. This just means you still won't get the same thing just they have the same OS installed. Even having different BIOS brand already makes alot of differences on the OS.

if you didn't want this information shared with the public, & felt it was derailing your thread.


There's a "start new topic button" to click which is free-of-charge for everyone. You might check that out sometime.

Edited by Javsy, 08 May 2013 - 11:45 PM.

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