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[englishtealite]

http://www.ro2skills...BdDrbqBabdBrBqA

 

best fs skill tree build

 

drop 2 dots (cres/adora) if you want gloria maxed but i don't like that, feels like the 10% isnt worth it and having the dots worth while adds dps to overall boss fights

 

this build is really good for raids, its decent overall in colo since you still have 3 dots, and AA 5 with HL1 which is decent damage still.

 

though i only recommend this build if your fully colo'd gear (assuming you want to get fully colo'd first)

Edited by englishtealite, 04 August 2013 - 03:29 PM.

[synesthetic]

http://www.ro2skills...BdDrbqBabdBrBqA
 
best fs skill tree build

That's technically "hybrid".
"Full-Support" is a term used for builds that spend nothing on offense.

[englishtealite]

That's technically "hybrid".
"Full-Support" is a term used for builds that spend nothing on offense.

 

you take the word too heavily on the word full support, +10% chance to instant cast heal vs 2 dots? you know how much dps you can add overall with dots while still be able to heal the party?

 

you are able to "slip" in dots when no one needs a heal, yes there maybe also times you aren't able to use dots during, but its helps extremely alot if everyone contributes

 

even adding dots on turtles during ratmaster helps alot, but i guess you dont have enough experience to know whats worth it or not

 

also when you have 3.1k matk on a priest before AA, you know 3 dots does quite alot of damage

 

ps; i didnt read any of the posts above before, so if someone else posted the exact same build or as the same views as me - good on ya

Edited by englishtealite, 04 August 2013 - 03:52 PM.

[synesthetic]

The term is what it is and I don't intentionally adhere to it. It just happens to define my playstyle.
You state in your sig that you're hybrid, so I find it odd that you would knowingly advertise a hybrid build in my thread as a FS one and then question my experience.

I have nothing against hybrid builds--their versatility sounds like fun--but they're not my style. If I had time to slip in DoTs, I'd rather use that time to slip in pre-emptive HoTs. If my teammates are secure and don't die, then I think the damage they deal makes up for the potential damage I could have done if I were hybrid. Having been part of one of the few groups that was able to do beat RM-N without bugging out the turtles, before the devs retuned the fight to be easier, I think says enough about my experience.

3.1k matk would be amazing for a FS priest though. That's around an extra 200-300 INT after full Colo/CoA-H gear. So I'm guessing that took buffs, and/or a lot of +10 INT runes and some 3-slotted costumes. 600-700 Reno before AA sounds like a lot of fun.
But I don't think I can afford even one +10 rune. Especially now that they've patched out the exploit that was allowing people to make only +10's, thus dropping their price.
Forever out of my reach. haha

[englishtealite]

first of, my sig is old - this was during the beginning of RO2 when it started and yes i was hybrid using this build, but i'll personally change it for you

 

http://www.ro2skills...BdDrbqBeCdnaoqA

 

i was using this build ^

 

which is either the same/similiar to the same priest in your guild - Fold's old build (probably he can confirm it) because this was probably best hybrid build (interms of support aswell)

 

since i finished my colo gear ages ago, i rerolled into FS because of CoA.

 

also rat-N is nothing, even H is debatable (did rat H in 1 try rofl) but its probably a challenge for some guilds still, same with random parties that are on going

 

and yes, the build i linked before (my previous post) i still consider it full support, i would rather take 2 dots (so 3 total) vs 10% chance to instant heal cast because imo, gloria doesnt scale well to make it worth it

Edited by englishtealite, 04 August 2013 - 07:30 PM.

[synesthetic]

also rat-N is nothing, even H is debatable (did rat H in 1 try rofl) but its probably a challenge for some guilds still, same with random parties that are on going
 
and yes, the build i linked before (my previous post) i still consider it full support, i would rather take 2 dots (so 3 total) vs 10% chance to instant heal cast because imo, gloria doesnt scale well to make it worth it

Note that I said RM-N before the devs retuned the fight. The changes they made made a world of a difference.
Before, RM-N without bugging the turtles was extremely difficult, and RM-H without bugging the turtles was just impossible.
Now, RM-H is easier than what RM-N (with turtles) used to be.


The build you linked before is still technically hybrid.
The terms are what they are. I didn't define them.

I personally think it's a bad misconception that people think hybrids are worse at supporting than FS priests.
Both types rely on the same core healing skills. The two usually differ in the number of emergency skills they have available. But skilled hybrid players can still keep parties alive just fine.

So really, I think hybrids are great at support. They can "fully support" a party or be "fully supportive" of a party. But they're not "full support".

[nogebator]

i have 6 or 8 free points on my build depends on lvl gloria. what i should up in it how u think? dont interest in archangel think only for dps build. and dont interest in sanctuary coz that much overheal at 1 lvl. sufra? how it work adds only cast speed or vigor too? if cast speed only its useless.

http://www.ro2skills...odDrbqnabdnbsqA

 

 

Edited by nogebator, 20 August 2013 - 10:29 PM.

[synesthetic]

i have 6 or 8 free points on my build depends on lvl gloria. what i should up in it how u think? dont interest in archangel think only for dps build. and dont interest in sanctuary coz that much overheal at 1 lvl. sufra? how it work adds only cast speed or vigor too? if cast speed only its useless.
http://www.ro2skills...odDrbqnabdnbsqA

Sorry for the late reply.


As is, your build's already very functional.

Otherwise, regarding all of the skills you mentioned,
- Gloria is decent for the low skillpoint cost, especially if you do raids, where you're likely to be using Heal more often.  But you can live without leveling this.
- Archangel is still good for healing since it increases your matk, and your heals are based on your matk. It's not an immediate save-your-life skill like Coluceo, Assumptio, or Sanctuary, but it's good for helping bring bad situations back under control.
- Sanctuary, I only see a purpose in leveling it if you want to be able to cancel the skill sooner. So for the most part, Lv.1 is still fine.
- Suffragium directly adds to your Haste Rate, which only affects your casting speed (specifically the yellow casting bar; animation is not affected). So yeah, it effectively shaves off 0.1 seconds from Heal and Holy Light. In the future, I think it could be fun to use with high-tier crafted gear, but is it worth sacrificing Vigor for that? I think that'd be situational.

 

If you're not interested in any of those, then consider spending those points to go hybrid.

[Greven79]

Sorry for the late reply. As is, your build's already very functional.

Otherwise, regarding all of the skills you mentioned,
- Gloria is decent for the low skillpoint cost, especially if you do raids, where you're likely to be using Heal more often.  But you can live without leveling this.
- Archangel is still good for healing since it increases your matk, and your heals are based on your matk. It's not an immediate save-your-life skill like Coluceo, Assumptio, or Sanctuary, but it's good for helping bring bad situations back under control.
- Sanctuary, I only see a purpose in leveling it if you want to be able to cancel the skill sooner. So for the most part, Lv.1 is still fine.
- Suffragium directly adds to your Haste Rate, which only affects your casting speed (specifically the yellow casting bar; animation is not affected). So yeah, it effectively shaves off 0.1 seconds from Heal and Holy Light. In the future, I think it could be fun to use with high-tier crafted gear, but is it worth sacrificing Vigor for that? I think that'd be situational.

 

If you're not interested in any of those, then consider spending those points to go hybrid.

 

Well, there are a few things I disagree on:

 

Gloria

Edit 1:

It*s basically chance for -1sec for Heal. You can't cast the next Heal directly thereafter; you have a delay of ca.1sec. Therefore Gloria "halves" the overall casting time, what also equals 15% more damage.

 

Well, a 15% to do a crit. hit (double damage) equals 15% more overall healing, but the use is limited to 1 spell (2 if you're going hybrid). So it might seem a bit more powerful than Sacrament (5 skill points for 10% more healing). However, I've noticed that in harder dungeons it is quite irrelevant how much more you heal on a regular basis. Most likely, those AoEs or certain other critical situations might cause some losses until the party isn't 'stable' anymore to kill that boss before the time runs out (the rage counter triggers)
 

So although I've leveled Glora, I wouldn't recommend it for a Full Support Priest.

 

Edit 2:
Also keep in mind that Haste reduces the casting speed as well. Therefore, the overall benefit of Gloria gets weaker and weaker the higher your haste rate gets.

 

Archangel

The bad thing here is that it's a long way down to level Archangel. You have to level some useless skills to get there, so it's rather a "spend 9 skill points for temporary +25% damage". The average damage increase for this spell is 25% * 30/90 = 8.3%. Put both comments together and you have: 9 skill points for 8.3% damage increase.

 

Well, I am a bit unfair here, because as I said above, the average healing ability isn't that important later on. Therefore, Archangel can give you a plannable, more powerful bonus in crucial situations. Is it worth it? - I can't really tell. Most people seem to be fine with a lvl 1 sanctuary (lvl 5 is a 47.5% healing increase in comparison to lvl 1), so if you get satisfied with a 25% bonus might be questionable as well.

 

Sanctuary

Won't comment this here again, but I have it at lvl 5 and would always level it up to 4-5 again.

 

Suffragium

Yes, I heard this tale soo often right now that it only affects the casting bar, but I honestly doubt this is true. Otherwise, Assassins shouldn't use haste at all (how many casting bars do they have???). So I think this fastens animation and "recast delay" as well, granting a 10% overall action speed and it scales with other haste boni (gear)

 

I have it at lvl 5, but would I do this again? Probably not.... for the same reasons I wouldn't level Gloria or Sacrament. Right now, I would even prefer to level Coloseo Heal instead. In non-crucial situations, people ought to use pots if I can't keep up to have everyone at full hp. However, if the tank received a critical hit and his HP is suddenly dropping below 25% HP, you better wish for some instantaneous and powerful heal.

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What you missed out is:

 

Resurrection

Well, although it's unfair that a Priest gets a skill that is basically a Spinel replacement with such an aweful cooldown (blame them for making money from dying characters >_>), but I really, really wish I had leveled this. A level 3 resurrection means that you can use it in PvE H while engaging Gearbats AND use it again during a Giant Driller fight (or later). Otherwise, you might not want to use it at all to keep it ready when facing Rosario (Einherjar).

Edited by Greven79, 29 October 2013 - 09:53 AM.