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#26 amdrage

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 08:33 PM

everybody says that sins can reduce dmg by 50%... but thats wrong
infact we can increase our dmg reduction by 50%
my sin on seaRO (having pvp weapon/gloves/helmet and the rest of the gear is bapho/arena normal) has 22% dmg reduction (including a lv 5 earthshield)
so by activating the shadow armor i raise that reduction to 73ish %, which cuts the dmg by 66% if not more

well, i just wanted to clarify that
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#27 Shouichirou

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 09:38 PM

everybody says that sins can reduce dmg by 50%... but thats wrong
infact we can increase our dmg reduction by 50%
my sin on seaRO (having pvp weapon/gloves/helmet and the rest of the gear is bapho/arena normal) has 22% dmg reduction (including a lv 5 earthshield)
so by activating the shadow armor i raise that reduction to 73ish %, which cuts the dmg by 66% if not more

well, i just wanted to clarify that


The intriguing thing about this is that, 22% [Damage Reduction] on an assassin (with [Earth Shield]) is not the best it can reach. Higher ends typically scale around 23~26% [Damage Reduction]. Taking into account the "possibility" to use one those [Explorer Health Potions] (solid +15% more [Damage Reduction]), paired with [Shadow Armor] can really put up a "temporary" [God Mode] for a notable duration.
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#28 Adamage

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 09:32 PM

lol, just when I thought you were talking about PvE.

Assassins are better in larger scale battles like colosseum, in which I agree. One with Shadow Form can prevent being kited thanks to its immense movement speed buff, and go in for a kill.

Burst > DPS in colosseum so Assassins got the upper hand.

In the end, I agreed. Assassins may fall short in terms of damage in PvE from Rogues, but in PvP, players are not AIs. They do not stand still while being attacked. Assassin given greater mobility can chase up enemies and pack up better.. MUCH better damage output than Rogues.


Just had to point this out. When talking about burst in pvp , or even pve, there are two types. Random burst (assassin's shadow proc+ one cd skill , which is really more steady damage over longer lengths of time.

Then there is Controlled Burst, (rogue fishes for proc, smokebombs, 2x damage moonlight dance reset cds and repeat at practically any time they choose, or break it up as needed.) the rogue burst is wayyyyy more intense. While sticking on a target is good, if the heals are constant, you need controlled burst to actually take em down. Ideally you work together with someone to overcome the shortcomings.

What you call burst, isn't really burst you can count on. At the end of the day, Cooldown based damage generally trumps sustained damage in pvp.

Edited by Adamage, 29 April 2013 - 09:33 PM.

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#29 IXIXGhostXIXI

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 01:28 AM

Thanks to this thread, I can't decide what I want to be... I've always been DPS in any game and I've always liked the Assassin from RO1, but now that I'm reading all these things about the Rogue on RO2, I'm hesitating so much....
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#30 YellowYoshi

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 03:58 PM

I'm STILL having a hard time making a decision on this class choice.

I really love the idea of the intense movespeed Assassins can stack up since thus far moving around maps has been pretty slow.

But I also love the survivability Rogue's can get. Combined with Unstable Doping and the manipulation of combo points to get massive damage Moonlight Dances... it's so very nice sounding.

Really, there's a lot more about Rogue that I'm interested in than Assassins but movespeed is so very tempting.
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#31 rzevidz007

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 04:20 AM

Well, Assassin also has decent survivability thanks to Shadow Armor though.
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#32 ShinobiEX3

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 04:32 PM

so basicly assassin has fast movement and rogue got everything else ??
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#33 dispecableme

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 07:49 PM

I keep reading that Assassins have higher crit than Rogues. Is this solely because of Shadow Cloak or is there some assassin class buff like in the original RO?
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#34 BladedM

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 08:01 PM

I'm curious as to which class has a higher evasion rate? In RO 1 I loved my Assassin cross because no one could hit me but it seems as if Rogues have the play style I loved.
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#35 neko09

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 03:43 AM

Thanks to this thread, I can't decide what I want to be... I've always been DPS in any game and I've always liked the Assassin from RO1, but now that I'm reading all these things about the Rogue on RO2, I'm hesitating so much....


LOL me too :x still patching :Emo_17:
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