41 replies to this topic

[Leokimah]

Bumping this... Are there any plans on changing this issue?

They're an unnecessary luxury item, no reason for the price to be reduced or the quest to be changed.

Forcing anyone to pay money to complete any part of a free game is terrible marketing design and a very good way to lose players.

[Alleggretto]

Just like the SEA version. I spent $60 for 3 bags.

Lmfao.

[ShadowKashim]

Or Making it Transfer-Able to your characters on the same account will be Ok. I won't complain about $60 if all of my 10 Characters can have them. Since every now and then, we get bored on our main and alternative characters and will decide to try other class, so its a good thing if we can transfer it. Please please please.

[SGraye]

Or Making it Transfer-Able to your characters on the same account will be Ok. I won't complain about $60 if all of my 10 Characters can have them.

That will never happen, so long as they are linked to a quest. You would have several players purchasing three, completing the quest, transferring them to a new character, completing the quest, ad infinitum...

I have voted up quite a few of the posts in this thread, but would like to lend my support via a new reply, as it will likely have a greater impact. This needs to be modified, immediately. As stated elsewhere, forcing cash-shop purchases to complete quests is unacceptable; as a luxury-item they should remain a purely voluntary acquisition.

I hate to bandy about the phrase "Pay-to-Win" but allowing portion of the game to be completed solely via real-world payments, to say nothing of rewarding players for doing so, fits the definition.

[Lital]

That will never happen, so long as they are linked to a quest. You would have several players purchasing three, completing the quest, transferring them to a new character, completing the quest, ad infinitum...

You can already do this by trading a MTB and FTB card around, so I don't really see the issue. You don't exactly get anything for doing it, maybe a few Khara points, those're tied to your character though, so again no issue.

I agree with the bags being almost 'pay-to-win' though. People will buy the bags if they want the bags. Forcing them to have them to finish their Khara pages is bad practice.

[redsmokeKin]

Noob here but just as well any thing other then Vanity or soem thing required thought cash shop complete quest so forth shoudl not be in game Free 2 play game understand need make cash keep sever and emppolye's but just as well that would not be free to pay if forced to pay to complete soem thing in game! need add item very low chance drop or other means get to complete quest as to say free 2 play! Other wis would be called False advertising! thus need sign lawsuit on Ro2! Read Terms of Service so forth just as well what doing is not right with out some other means of obtaing thought in game means, not limited to event!

[suaig]

I started playing this game because I heard it didn't have much pay2win. I'm not even going to bother playing anymore unless this gets fixed. Even if it weren't required for a quest, $60 for a bag is ridiculous.

[darkwolf7786]

I do agree that this should be changed. Not only does it stop getting the rewards for filling that, but since its on a corner, its messing up 3 rows, meaniing you also cannot get the three khara rewards for completing the full row.

The Khara Board should be completable naturally. Either make Super Large Bags accessible outside of a $60 investment or change the quest

[Trydias]

I agree, this was a real bummer to run into and it has made myself and a few friends question future practices regarding the item shop.

[ShadowKashim]

That will never happen, so long as they are linked to a quest. You would have several players purchasing three, completing the quest, transferring them to a new character, completing the quest, ad infinitum...

That's why these suggestion/proposal exist in the first place, for us to hope it can happen. Just like the other man said, we can do these on the Thiefbug couple, why not do these for the bags as well? And to think that its just +20-30 khara points? its really ridiculous imo as well. Even though we ask for changing the khara quest itself, that would be more impossible than ask for the bags being Trade-Able/Transfer-able to one account, since those Quest exist so they can earn more money. And I think more people will purchase the bags if its transfer-able to your characters in one account than them being linked to just one character. Like others said, its ridiculous to spend $60 for all three bags for just one character. So IMo its the best proposal we can give, both benefits us players as well as them.

Edited by ShadowKashim, 06 May 2013 - 01:32 AM.

[ZellKFF]

Bumping this.

It has to change. This is a PR disaster and the last thing this server needs.

REVERT THE QUEST TO ITS ORIGINAL STATE --> 3 LARGE BAGS

Jesus, how hard can it be? Do you even realise the kind of image WarpPortal gets from this? Do you want to be perceived as greedy cash-grabbing people whose only concern is kafra shop turnover?

Would really like an acknowledgement from a CM that this is going to be worked on.

[SGraye]

That's why these suggestion/proposal exist in the first place, for us to hope it can happen. Just like the other man said, we can do these on the Thiefbug couple, why not do these for the bags as well? And to think that its just +20-30 khara points?

Try again, mate, the answer is patently obvious as to why they should NOT be transferrable, so long as the quest requires them (keep that line in mind, it's imperative to my argument): because transferring the bags confers a greater and more valuable advantage than a few low-tier cards. Let's just assess the relative merits of each, shall we?

===CARDS====================
1. Provide minor statistical advantages.
2. Allow a single Kafra quest to be completed.
===BAGS=====================
1. Top of their class, providing the most inventory slots per bag-space available
2. Expensive and impossible to attain via any means other than the cash shop
3. Allow a Kafra quest to be completed, in addition to three bonus Kafra lines

Now, their flaws...

===CARDS====================
1. Swiftly outdated and replaced
===BAGS=====================
1. ...umm... uh...

Still, perhaps that's insufficiently persuasive? Let's take a moment, in that case, and address the actual value of each Kafra quest they allow the owner to complete...

===CARDS====================
+30 Kafra points.
===BAGS=====================
+20 Kafra points.

...seems fair... but I did say "each Kafra quest they allow the owner to complete" and owning the bags allows you to finish more than just it's own quest; they also grant you the ability to complete three of the bonuses, whereas the Thiefbug cards are not included in any bonus-line whatsoever. None.

So, what else do you receive? +14902 profession XP, 6 zeny and 47 rupees per bonus. Three bonuses means that you obtain a total of 44706 XP, 18 zeny and 141 rupees. Thiefbug cards and Super Large Bags? Ha! The two do not even compare.

Arguing that they should be transferrable, when it would provide so many advantages, is nothing short of selfish and, worse yet, possibly exploitable. True, it takes a significant amount of effort to clear an entire line (much less all three that one of the bag-related bonuses requires), yet, even so, it is not similar to transferring the low-tier cards in any respect... as I believe you are perfectly well aware.

its really ridiculous imo as well. Even though we ask for changing the khara quest itself, that would be more impossible than ask for the bags being Trade-Able/Transfer-able to one account, since those Quest exist so they can earn more money.

The ridiculous thing is this assertion of yours that changing a single quest-objective is somehow "more impossible" than modifying an item's state. One line in a database is much the same as any other and I'd wager swapping the item/s that trigger a quest-complete is simpler than assigning functions to an item to govern how it may be traded between characters, accounts or whatnot.

Which brings us back to that line I prompted you to keep in mind: should they remove the SLBags as the quest objective, which would only be fair to everyone who does not have sufficient funds to frivol away on digital storage slots, I would immediately support your proposal that they be freely transferrable. As is? Never.

[Kolma]

The funny thing is, I would have been fine buying the bags on their own if I had an abundance of money that I didn't want going towards mindless junk food, but seeing that one khara that pretty much speaks 'Ca$h $hop for the winzors lolz!' really hurts.

Please change the quest so that we're not forced to buy things from the cash shop to complete it, or if you can't do that because you're directly copying seaRO2's client (including some of the other bad decisions) then please make the Super Large Bags not have such a Super Large Price.

[Iyeru]

I say make the super large bags tradable and mail-able.

[ZellKFF]

I say make the super large bags tradable and mail-able.

I don't necessarily agree with this, but the entire point of the issue at hand is that the original quest required 3 large bags.

warpportal basically received SEARO2's setup, in which large bags do not exist anymore, super large bags cost more than on kRO2, and khara quest was changed from large bags to super large bags.

What really need to be done is to reintroduce large bags in the game, and revert the khara quest to 3x large bags.

Any other discussion about worth of super large bags and whether is should be tradeable is a completely separate matter as far as I'm concerned.

[ShinJidaiNoKami]

This used to be the old Large Bag quest i guess b4 large bags were removed.Idd they should at least change it to 1x instead of 3x Super Large Bag

[hermengarde]

I'm with most people in this topic. 60 bucks isn't worth it for a Khara quest. No real money is, since Kharas are a pretty basic gameplay feature. It should be changed back to Large Bags, assuming those would be obtainable ingame without the need to throw in any RL money.

I'm willing to pay for other stuff in the shop (cosmetics mostly), but reintroducing Large Bags would not kill the need for Super Large Bags for the players who really want them. I'm not even complaining about there being bags in the shop, I'm actually perfectly fine with them and I'd even consider buying one or more if they weren't so expensive.

But Kharas should be free. A playerbase isn't a group of blind followers who will accept every bad thing.
Meanwhile I've set on stone I won't even care about that quest until we can complete it for free.