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[ZeroTigress]

Offer permanent costumes in the Kafra Shop outside the random box like how it was in beta. Keep the costumes and box prices the same so players have the choice to either buy the costume they want at a higher price or chance it with the cheaper random box. I really don't see why you can't do this.
 

Make it so that you only have to buy one costume set and it'll adjust itself to your male or female character. Making costumes gender-specific lowers the desirability of the random box all that much more.

The point of a costume is a vanity cover-up, which is what makes them different from gear which help power your character. The moment costumes have stats, they're no longer costumes, just fancier gear.

I just want a frickin' costume to dress up my character. No stats, no slots, nothing. Just a frickin' outfit, for cryin' out loud. Why does WarpPortal have to make it so frickin' hard to dress up my frickin' characters the way I want to?

I wouldn't mind paying for an unslotted permanent costume while still gambling for the slotted ones...

For those of you who are curious what the costume prices were in beta (the only time they were offered outside of the random box):

• Core costume pieces (shirt and pants) = 600 Kafra Points each
• Costume accessories (e.g. wings, hats, etc.) = 400 Kafra Points each

Keep in mind, each costume piece is PERMANENT (except for that female beach hat, but I digress). So for a complete PERMANENT costume that consists of the core pieces and 2 accessories, the total price would be 2000 Kafra Points. If you consider that people are shelling out much more than that to buy random box after random box in order to get a complete TEMPORARY costume set, that's actually quite the bargain. Which is all the more reason for WarpPortal to NOT offer the costumes outside of the box.

For the mount collectors, mounts were also offered outside the random box during beta, but they were alas temporary. They were sold at 400 Kafra Points each.

Edited by ZeroTigress, 05 September 2013 - 07:49 PM.

[Scott]

Most of their choices seems to be designed around giving them maximum control and giving us the least possible. Look at the Exp Surge event. The Colosseum.

Edited by Scott, 23 May 2013 - 05:44 PM.

[StygianBlade]

This

[D111]

Offer costumes in the Kafra Shop outside the random box like how it was in beta. Keep the costumes and box prices the same so players have the choice to either buy the costume they want at a higher price or chance it with the cheaper random box. I really don't see why you can't do this.

+1

[ZeroTigress]

It's like they like being in financial debt or something. Why don't you guys want money, WarpPortal? Look at Blizzard, their cash shop has PERMANENT mounts for $25 each and players buy them up like hotcakes. What's wrong with selling permanent stuff with no strings attached? Why the big emphasis on making people gamble for what they want? You're only making money off the crazy few (Tychon, OneLastDance) rather than the more reasonable majority.

[AmiiMii]

It's like they like being in financial debt or something. Why don't you guys want money, WarpPortal? Look at Blizzard, their cash shop has PERMANENT mounts for $25 each and players buy them up like hotcakes. What's wrong with selling permanent stuff with no strings attached? Why the big emphasis on making people gamble for what they want? You're only making money off the crazy few (Tychon, OneLastDance) rather than the more reasonable majority.

I do agree with this idea, but its a way of keeping their money flowing, they keep on adding costume pieces to the costume chests/accessory chests
its a way of technically "milking it" so you'll keep on buying boxes to get what you want, it's the addiction of getting what you want

And! if they sell permanent costumes in the kafra shop, what use would anyone need to buy it anymore? they'd stop buying the whole thing altogether if they bought the actual permanent item.

For Example

Le Derp Buys a Costume+Mount (permanent)
Le Derp Thinks no need to buy anymore due to permanent.
Le Derp is happy and no need to buy any stuff from kafra shop again.

And Also: Blizzard comes through with content every month, so they make cash like cashcows.

if there was every mount that was permanent/costume that was permanent, do you think people would buy them again, its less likely to happen, which is why they have temporary costumes
no ~ (Which is understandable, you can extend your accessories/costumes/mounts anyway with the extend item)
permanent loads of stuff doesn't generate income for the company, people stop buying as soon as they get what they want (permanent stuff)

So
Player-> Buys permanent-> Stops buying from kafra shop-> Doesn't generate income, Bankrupt.

Edited by AmiiMii, 24 May 2013 - 12:39 AM.

[OniNoMeKyo]

I do agree with this idea, but its a way of keeping their money flowing, they keep on adding costume pieces to the costume chests/accessory chests
its a way of technically "milking it" so you'll keep on buying boxes to get what you want, it's the addiction of getting what you want

And! if they sell permanent costumes in the kafra shop, what use would anyone need to buy it anymore? they'd stop buying the whole thing altogether if they bought the actual permanent item.

For Example

Le Derp Buys a Costume+Mount (permanent)
Le Derp Thinks no need to buy anymore due to permanent.
Le Derp is happy and no need to buy any stuff from kafra shop again.

And Also: Blizzard comes through with content every month, so they make cash like cashcows.

if there was every mount that was permanent/costume that was permanent, do you think people would buy them again, its less likely to happen, which is why they have temporary costumes
no ~ (Which is understandable, you can extend your accessories/costumes/mounts anyway with the extend item)
permanent loads of stuff doesn't generate income for the company, people stop buying as soon as they get what they want (permanent stuff)

So
Player-> Buys permanent-> Stops buying from kafra shop-> Doesn't generate income, Bankrupt.

That is, until the next cute costume comes out. Then, I'd totally buy that, too.

[CloudySkys]

That is, until the next cute costume comes out. Then, I'd totally buy that, too.

This. Their current pricing model is centered around milking the few customers willing to put up with it for all they have, rather than having to do actual work and add content so that the majority are willing to continue paying for things.

[ShiveringShadows]

It's like they like being in financial debt or something. Why don't you guys want money, WarpPortal?

Stop making unfounded assumptions that are purely fueled by your own emotions (because it does not matter in this case).
Lucky Boxes are being used in many free to play online games, because they yield the highest profit, even though player support for them is very low. Companies generally rely on market research and their own sale metrics when making these choices and not player rants on forums.

Look at Blizzard, their cash shop has PERMANENT mounts for $25 each and players buy them up like hotcakes. What's wrong with selling permanent stuff with no strings attached?

Stop making disparate comparisons, these games follow different business models.
As opposed to World of Warcraft:

• You do not have to buy this game.
• You do not have to pay a subscription fee to play this game.
• You do not have to pay for expansions to this game.

If you can't make a proper comparison, then don't make one at all.

[StygianBlade]

Stop making unfounded assumptions that are purely fueled by your own emotions (because it does not matter in this case).
Lucky Boxes are being used in many free to play online games, because they yield the highest profit, even though player support for them is very low. Companies generally rely on market research and their own sale metrics when making these choices and not player rants on forums.



Stop making disparate comparisons, these games follow different business models.
As opposed to World of Warcraft:

• You do not have to buy this game.
• You do not have to pay a subscription fee to play this game.
• You do not have to pay for expansions to this game.

If you can't make a proper comparison, then don't make one at all.

Nothing you said involving the WoW comparison has any logic to it, other than their ability to feed off the subscriptions even if the cash shop doesn't yield enough money.

They can start thinking about releasing content consistently or have sales rotations for certain items. Hell, discount sales would draw more people in.

This game is free yeah, but this game directly fuels and supports the desire for aesthetic appeal. If they wisened up, they could make enough money off of cosmetic gear alone.

Expansions are opportunities to place MORE things in the cash shop, whether we pay for them or not.

There's always a market for fashion, and always a reason to make more things for people to buy up.

[CloudySkys]

Lucky Boxes are being used in many free to play online games, because they yield the highest profit, even though player support for them is very low.

There's a reason many free to play games fail, they lose player support. Yes, the random boxes will generate higher profit, but only over a very short time until everyone gets sick of it and leaves, and then the hardcore players quit too because the server populations are too low and there's no one else to play with. If all they're looking to do is gouge every penny they can out of the game for 3-4 months before it fails and they shut the servers down then the system is fine. If they're trying to maintain a stable long term income and keep the game alive, then they need to move to a more reasonable and fair pricing system, which will make them plenty of profit, provided they're willing to at least put in a little effort creating new content.

[ZeroTigress]

And! if they sell permanent costumes in the kafra shop, what use would anyone need to buy it anymore? they'd stop buying the whole thing altogether if they bought the actual permanent item.

For Example

Le Derp Buys a Costume+Mount (permanent)
Le Derp Thinks no need to buy anymore due to permanent.
Le Derp is happy and no need to buy any stuff from kafra shop again.

And Also: Blizzard comes through with content every month, so they make cash like cashcows.

if there was every mount that was permanent/costume that was permanent, do you think people would buy them again, its less likely to happen, which is why they have temporary costumes
no ~ (Which is understandable, you can extend your accessories/costumes/mounts anyway with the extend item)
permanent loads of stuff doesn't generate income for the company, people stop buying as soon as they get what they want (permanent stuff)

So
Player-> Buys permanent-> Stops buying from kafra shop-> Doesn't generate income, Bankrupt.

You forget that there are people who simply aren't buying anything from the Kafra Shop at all BECAUSE of the fact that the items are temporary, so this argument doesn't hold water either. And I don't buy the whole "buy something and never buy anything again" bit, because there are people who are willing to buy extras for their friends, family, etc. as gifts. Let's say I have friends who want to get married when the marriage system is implemented and I want to buy them the wedding set as a surprise gift. I'd rather pay a little more to actually get the dress and tuxedo for them rather than burn through hundreds of dollars to get loads of costumes I don't want in order to get them the gift I intended. Not to mention, you can't get rid of the costumes you (and other people) don't want so you're stuck with them.

I've bought costumes during beta, costumes that I'd be willing to buy again for my friends if they ever offer them like they did in the beta's Kafra Shop. But if all they're going to give me is the random box, I'm not going to chance it to get stuck with stuff I don't want.

[ShiveringShadows]

Nothing you said involving the WoW comparison has any logic to it, other than their ability to feed off the subscriptions even if the cash shop doesn't yield enough money.

And the fact that players paying for a monthly subscription means they have less money to spend on cash shop items.

Edited by ShiveringShadows, 25 May 2013 - 12:51 AM.

[CloudySkys]

You forget that there are people who simply aren't buying anything from the Kafra Shop at all BECAUSE of the fact that the items are temporary, so this argument doesn't hold water either.

I'm one of these people, I won't buy anything at all until they make items permanent and allow me to actually just buy the item I want. Not that there's really anything in the cash shop right now that I want anyway, since what I want to buy is cosmetic items, but I won't buy temp ones. I would probably buy VIP (the only thing in the cash shop that should be temp, since its like a monthly game sub) on my main tho once the cosmetic items were permanent (or on all my accounts if they made it account wide instead of limited to one char, which also isn't a very fair practice).

[ShinJidaiNoKami]

Just like Amii said

Player-> Buys permanent-> Stops buying from kafra shop-> Doesn't generate income, Bankrupt.

To getpermanent mount you need than 25$unless you got uber luck xD

[CloudySkys]

Just like Amii said

Player-> Buys permanent-> Stops buying from kafra shop-> Doesn't generate income, Bankrupt.

To getpermanent mount you need than 25$unless you got uber luck xD

Most people won't stop buying just because they bought a permanent item. I certainly wouldn't, but they're not getting a penny from me until items are permanent.

[Nereida]

I'm with the permanent crowd.
I want an armored peco to remember my paladin days. I also want a couple costumes.
But as how things are right now? I'm not spending a cent. I don't gamble. I don't go to casinos. I don't play slot machines. I don't play poker with real money. The only gambling I do is the weekly lottery ticket, a mechanic habit I've inherited from my parents and friends, but with a tax-like mentality: it's money I give away in a periodical way and that I don't expect to get back.
I'd gladly pay four or five times the price of the random boxes if I can buy what I want, but as it stands? No way.

Even if luck worked against the odds, then there comes the expiration times. I find that outrageous. When I BUY something, it's mine to keep and do with it whatever I want. If I want to use it I use it for as long as I want. If I want to throw it away I throw it away. If I want to sell it I sell it. if I want to give it away I give it away. Afterall, I paid for it and now it's mine. Food, medicines and batteries are the only things I expect to expire, but as far as I know there isn't any recipe to cook a nippy peco, nor can I heal myself by eating a tuxedo after every meal.
I'm not buying a boxy console that blocks second hand games and I'm not buying a chocobo that gobbles itself up after seven days.

Gambling it all on those select few that spend a lot until they get what they want week after week might generate high income, but once those select few are gone, so is the income.

Maybe I would buy some of those random boxes as a way to support the game and say "thank you" if it were even half as good as RO1 and made me feel satisfied. But as it stands, it's just a glitch-ridden generic MMO that has nothing going for it besides its name and aesthetics. I'm not giving my money away for this product.

Edited by Nereida, 25 May 2013 - 01:57 PM.

[CloudySkys]

I'm not giving my money away for this product.

Exactly, this is a product not a charity, if you expect me to purchase it, then make it into something I consider worth purchasing.

[ZeroTigress]

Basically, the Kafra Shop as it is right now is pretty much just a rental store. Who wants to buy rental costumes and mounts?

[Yuumei]

Who wants to buy rental costumes and mounts?

*Slowly raises hand*


I'd rather pay quadruple the price for permanent versions; right now though I only need to conduct some renewing once a month, which financially is barely a bother ($50 a month isn't too bad, it isn't good, but not enough to leave a lasting impact; I mean, I can earn that amount and more in a day).

[Wyntir]

And the fact that players paying for a monthly subscription means they have less money to spend on cash shop items.

It's always been my experience that people are more willing to spend money when it's a sure thing. Just saying.

[Terojo]

I prefer to pay more on somenthing permament, that "this much" on somenthing that expires in two weeks. If it costed less, but I find it expensive as expirable/consumable items

[6660130518164632090]

it's like....renting a car for every day.
yeah..at first is ok....one day for an amount that doesn't look like much...but time passes by and you are constantly paying that little amount...
at the end it's better to pay a lot to begin with and OWN that god damn car that spending 3 times the original cost of the car.
Like bank interests when you buy something in fee's.
my english isn't that good, sorry

[BerLeo]

Le Derp Buys a Costume+Mount (permanent)
Le Derp Thinks no need to buy anymore due to permanent.
Le Derp is happy and no need to buy any stuff from kafra shop again.

Sorry but this isn't how my mind works either.
Yes, I'll be happy if I get a perm RickShaw or something else fast (160% is fine) but if something faster.. or something equally fast and less annoying comes along I'll snatch it up too even if I'm stuck with the previous mount permanently.
Yes, I'll be happy if I get a permanent costume, but if there's something else I like that's also permanent, I'll probably grab that too. Same with accessories, bags, etc. If it's permanent, and I like it, I'll buy it. If it's temporary I probably won't bother.
Especially after wasting around 40$ total on that first box and not getting a single P RickShaw. And the Zeny from the unboxed temps is no where near the amount I need for said P rickshaw. Totally makes me want to spend more on the game.

Edited by BerLeo, 26 May 2013 - 07:22 PM.

[nights11]

Please, dont make that horrible parallels between Blizzard's WoW and Warpportal's RO2. Too much difference between game's quality, not mention in WoW you dont see bugs every 2 minutes of game. WoW is game for years, just like Ragnarok Online. RO2 is... you know all those farms in facebook? Or hundreds of other korean games that released every month? Yes, it have potential, but only thing that turn my sight on RO2 is "Ragnarok" in its name. And only thing that keeps me here is hope on miracle that RO2 can turn into something better and closer to Ragnarok.

For now its just a clone of Rose Online, Holic Online (R.I.P, was closed in 2009... same graphics level, btw, but better gameplay), LoE, FO... there even more clones than Lineage have. Basic game level, donation shop, cute graphics.

The same weight game, Cloud Nine, isnt charity as well, but it have all players wants in shop: random boxes, permanent costumes, temporary costumes. Tons of items. For example, you can buy perm mount (any of them, btw without upgrade its just like regular one stats) AND temporary upgrades for it +10% to speed and better looks. Every 2-3 weeks updates in shop. Something out, something in...
And CN dont have extortion like Khara "go and get 3 Super Large Bags, 20$ each" in 1st episode.

Le Derp Buys a Costume+Mount (permanent)
Le Derp Thinks no need to buy anymore due to permanent.
Le Derp is happy and no need to buy any stuff from kafra shop again.

And they cant make new costume or mount? And they cant even look what people buying in other games? Rental mounts, rental suits, consumables like skill reset... and half of them dont have adequate descriptions.