Priest in Raids - Acolyte - WarpPortal Community Forums

Jump to content


Photo

Priest in Raids


  • Please log in to reply
13 replies to this topic

#1 Gluttannie

Gluttannie

    Amateur Blogger

  • Members
  • 432 posts

Posted 24 June 2013 - 09:54 AM

I've always had a question regarding what to do and what not to do:

As a priest, are you only supposed to heal your tank/party? I know things are a little different for Bapho, in the sense that I should focus on my designated tank due to the positions of the classes, but what about PvE?

The reason I'm asking is that I was in the off-tank's party during PvE and saw that the main tank was dying, so I spared some heals for the MT while keeping my party healed (they weren't taking that much damage to begin with). To my surprise, the priest in the MT's party lashed out at me for doing what I'm not supposed to do.

So am I just supposed to keep to my own party? :S

Edited by Gluttannie, 24 June 2013 - 09:55 AM.

  • 0

#2 vonnegut

vonnegut

    Amateur Blogger

  • Members
  • 203 posts
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:RO2: Odin

Posted 24 June 2013 - 10:01 AM

I think all these rules on healing are ridiculous. You are a priest, if you can spare the heals by all means heal people. It's better to overheal than to have people die because the CD on resurrection is too long. Both priests are supposed to keep the tanks and the party alive.

Personally, I think the other priest got upset because you did your job better than he/she could.
  • 1

#3 Fold

Fold

    Amateur Blogger

  • Members
  • 283 posts
  • LocationPallet Town
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online 2
  • Server:Odin

Posted 24 June 2013 - 10:14 AM

Your job is to heal. Any priest that complains that you saved a tank is a complete idiot.

With that said - priests can raid heal, however they aren't as effective as sorcs. If you're gonna make the decision to heal your raid, make sure your tank is at least hotted up with Reno. Just make sure you don't fall behind on tank healing, or you're probably gonna have to waste an Assumptio or Coluseo just to catch up on heals.
  • 0

#4 Gluttannie

Gluttannie

    Amateur Blogger

  • Members
  • 432 posts

Posted 24 June 2013 - 10:30 AM

Thanks for the tips! I'm still relatively new to being a healer so I get confused when someone tells me something that goes against my instincts xD.
  • 0

#5 Lyrinn

Lyrinn

    Amateur Blogger

  • Members
  • 307 posts
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online 2

Posted 24 June 2013 - 10:48 AM

Like Fold said, you keep whoever you can alive as long as you keep your priorities straight. If the OT isn't taking much damage but the MT's is dropping, you focus on MT. From my experience, one priest isn't enough to keep the MT alive if his health is dropping that quickly -- not without wasting assumptio/coluseo anyways.

Edited by Lyrinn, 24 June 2013 - 10:48 AM.

  • 0

#6 RenovatioRO2

RenovatioRO2

    I made it Off Topic

  • Members
  • 31 posts

Posted 24 June 2013 - 10:50 AM

This game is not so finely tuned that you'd have to be absolutely obedient of your healing assignment. There are games were if you don't stick to a strict healing assignment, people die, but this game is not one of them. I remember when it was necessary to time heals down to the fractions of a second so tanks would get a constant stream of heals as oppose to periodic heals from multiple healers.

He was stupid for lashing out, but imagine how much crap he would give you IF one of your assigned targets died as a result (even if the MT would've died if you didn't cross-heal). The problem is no one would recognize the fact that you saved the MT from dying and probably, the raid from wiping, and they would only notice that one of your assigned targets died.

Healing assignments are a good way to organize things, AND to assign blame when -_- happens. But the bottom line is, cross-healing is entirely okay if you can keep your assigned targets up too.

Edited by RenovatioRO2, 24 June 2013 - 10:52 AM.

  • 0

#7 synesthetic

synesthetic

    Awarded #1 Troll

  • Members
  • 557 posts
  • Playing:Nothing

Posted 24 June 2013 - 12:52 PM

I think you did absolutely fine. Playing a healer in MMOs is about paying close attention and making good judgment calls.
Your side was topped off and the other priest's wasn't? Helping heal is a good call.
Did someone on your side die because you did that? If it was preventable, then maybe you can think about what you could've done better and take it as a learning experience. But helping heal was still a good call.

Your healing could've saved the other priest a few seconds, and instead of using that time to say.. maintain Reno or something on people, he wasted it on typing to yell at you. That's not a good judgment call.

Ensuring the survival of tanks and healers should be your main priority. Not topping off "sides" or "parties". Even against Baph-H. If you can reach someone, and you have the time to heal or at least Reno them, then do that. Against Baph, as long as you're on your line or not in line with anyone else when he breathes fire, then you're fine. Run as close to melee as you want, heal people on the other side, cross over even if you know he's not breathing anytime soon.


There are only four duties I can think of that priests can divide between each other in raids, and sticking to "parties" is not one of them.
- Alternating Sanctuary against the boss fights that need it.
- Alternating Assumptio against the boss fights that could use it.
- Alternating the HoT on Asp+HH.. because you can. It's not something that needs strict coordination, and no biggie if you don't do it.
- Leaving Reno maintenance to one priest if they're significantly better geared than the other. Life is easier when someone has a 600/tick Reno on them instead of a 350/tick one. The other priest can Reno if the target still needs it, but they should try to avoid overwriting it, and instead spend their time casting other stuff.
  • 1

#8 HeavenOnEarth

HeavenOnEarth

    I made it Off Topic

  • Members
  • 82 posts
  • LocationWashington, DC
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:Odin

Posted 24 June 2013 - 09:18 PM

Your job is to heal. Any priest that complains that you saved a tank is a complete idiot.


  • 0

#9 Atweig

Atweig

    Amateur Blogger

  • Members
  • 105 posts
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:RO2 - Odin

Posted 25 June 2013 - 12:22 PM

I think it's your obligation to help the other priest if you see that he cannot handle the damage. Huh, maybe your party had a certain playing style. o_O Even so, during some battles it's hard for one priest to keep tank alive, so both priests heal one player. I'm surprised that you got lashed out at. I'd be really pissed off if the other priest in raid didn't help me at all, and just stood doing nothing and casting Renovation on rangers. :) Such lazy priest would be kicked from our party really fast. :)

Edited by Atweig, 25 June 2013 - 02:45 PM.

  • 0

#10 EmlioR

EmlioR

    I made it Off Topic

  • Members
  • 45 posts

Posted 26 June 2013 - 04:08 AM

As a fs priest can say you, focus in ur party but keep a eye in teh other party. That is in general, not all priest have the same build some are complementaries, so you can have a priest with sanctuary maxed he could take care of rangers and other with archangel + assu + suffra and he can take care of tanks.
  • 0

#11 SolidGold

SolidGold

    I made it Off Topic

  • Members
  • 61 posts
  • Playing:Nothing

Posted 04 July 2013 - 02:28 PM

1. I feel my main priority is to focus healing (reno, heal, asperio highness heal, assumptio, coluseol heal) on my designated party tanker, basically keep my tanker alive and myself too in the process (reno and heal).

2. In situations of emergency, strategically place myself and cast Sanctuary.

 

Now, here are some situations I am unsure of:

1. I have been in raids where Sorcerers do not continuously cast LoR. They just throw a few random LoR here and there. Not to mention, most of the time, it's at a place where it's greater than 20m from my Tanker; forcing me to move out of the LoR to support my Tanker.

 

2. And then Sorcerer's life get halved from AOE damage. Am I suppose to heal them? Aren't they suppose to be able to heal themselves? Btw they are not Pure DPS Sorcerers; some type of Hybrid.

 

3. Sorcerers getting frozen from Boss 3 PVE Arena. And they just continue shooting cold bolts? Am I suppose to help Recovery them? Don't they know how to use Soul Cleaning?

 

4. From my experience, the first to die in any raid is most likely to be the Assassin or the Rogue. They have a habit of not avoiding AOE (sparkles, pool of poison, etc ..) I suppose the Tanker should lure the boss out. But if the tanker doesn't, you should at least get out anyways and not continue to DPS the boss. And the worst problem is when their HP drop, they run... run away from the Boss and away from the Priest. If I tried to heal or renovatio them, because of the distance factor, I will be auto running towards the boss and inside the AOE damage. Decided to stop healing them if they run away.

 

5. Who should I keep Resurrection for? I normally reserve it for the Tankers or the other Priest.

 

6. Are we suppose to Reno other party members? Rangers, Sorcerers, Assassins, Wizards...? Arn't they suppose to stand on the LoR? (Maybe except for the Assassins - depends if the LoR is placed around the Boss)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Edited by SolidGold, 04 July 2013 - 02:33 PM.

  • 0

#12 Lyrinn

Lyrinn

    Amateur Blogger

  • Members
  • 307 posts
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online 2

Posted 04 July 2013 - 02:54 PM

1. I have been in raids where Sorcerers do not continuously cast LoR. They just throw a few random LoR here and there. Not to mention, most of the time, it's at a place where it's greater than 20m from my Tanker; forcing me to move out of the LoR to support my Tanker.

 

 

2. And then Sorcerer's life get halved from AOE damage. Am I suppose to heal them? Aren't they suppose to be able to heal themselves? Btw they are not Pure DPS Sorcerers; some type of Hybrid.

 

3. Sorcerers getting frozen from Boss 3 PVE Arena. And they just continue shooting cold bolts? Am I suppose to help Recovery them? Don't they know how to use Soul Cleaning?

 

4. From my experience, the first to die in any raid is most likely to be the Assassin or the Rogue. They have a habit of not avoiding AOE (sparkles, pool of poison, etc ..) I suppose the Tanker should lure the boss out. But if the tanker doesn't, you should at least get out anyways and not continue to DPS the boss. And the worst problem is when their HP drop, they run... run away from the Boss and away from the Priest. If I tried to heal or renovatio them, because of the distance factor, I will be auto running towards the boss and inside the AOE damage. Decided to stop healing them if they run away.

 

5. Who should I keep Resurrection for? I normally reserve it for the Tankers or the other Priest.

 

6. Are we suppose to Reno other party members? Rangers, Sorcerers, Assassins, Wizards...? Arn't they suppose to stand on the LoR? (Maybe except for the Assassins - depends if the LoR is placed around the Boss)

Answer to most of those is, "Only if you can spare some heals." As all of the previous posts have said, if you have time to throw a heal or reno onto DPS without compromising the tank, then do so. If you can't, then keep spamming heals on the tank. What you can try, depending on how much damage the tank is taking, is Asp + HH + Reno onto the tank, then cycle reno onto the DPS. The regen from HH + Reno should be enough to keep the tank healthy until you can focus back.

 

Full LoR uptime isn't strictly necessary if you know when the AoEs are coming. But if they're not using LoR or Deluge or even pots after getting hit, they're bad and not worth the trouble -- unless, again, you can spare some heals.

 

Save res for priest/sorc so you can chain res or keep up healing. If everyone's health is stable and you need additional DPS to kill the boss before enrage, then res.


  • 0

#13 Atweig

Atweig

    Amateur Blogger

  • Members
  • 105 posts
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:RO2 - Odin

Posted 07 July 2013 - 12:20 AM

>> 5. Who should I keep Resurrection for? I normally reserve it for the Tankers or the other Priest.

 

I'd recommend to res sorcs too, unless they're paper and die from the blast of wind. Depends on the fight, though (e. g. Bapho H - you don't waste your res).


Edited by Atweig, 07 July 2013 - 07:08 AM.

  • 0

#14 RORose

RORose

    Amateur Blogger

  • Members
  • 173 posts

Posted 14 July 2013 - 12:08 AM

Let me enlighten you priests about what a sorcerer is supposed to do. First off 99.9% of sorcerers in the game are hybrid simply because thats how the class builds itself. They are capable of being in dps mode and heal mode, they should know when they need to be in which mode and when. It is there job to heal boss aoe damage, 100% all on them! You should not have to help them heal after an aoe ever! The only time you will be working side by side is when you alternate sanc and deluge together.


Edited by RORose, 14 July 2013 - 12:09 AM.

  • 0




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users