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Posted 01 July 2013 - 09:01 AM

i am torn, currently, i have a rogue, which i enjoy, but i always play rogues, and want something different. i have never really played/been a fan of the "archer" classes. but im willing to give it a shake if it's going to be worth it. at the moment i am torn between ranger and warrior. i hear that dps warriors are not really viable and that kinda bugs me, cause i have no intrest in being a tank, i have a knight and a monk for that. so just looking for some feedback from the community on what i should do.
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Posted 01 July 2013 - 09:35 AM

I think you may have to mention why you've never been a fan of archers... What are you looking for in a character? Rangers do -_-loads of damage from a distance, if that's what you're looking for then you should make one. It's hard to decide for someone else what they would like to do.
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Posted 01 July 2013 - 09:36 AM

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 09:36 AM

honestly, the reasons i don't like rangers are trivial at best. i don't like the sounds the class makes. it's nothing against the actual class, just aesthetics, i gotta look at and hear the thing all day. so im kinda nit-picky about that kinda stuff
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Posted 01 July 2013 - 10:01 AM

If you don't want to tank, I'd consider just sticking to your Rogue. Swordsmen are almost always expected to tank in some capacity, and it isn't really worth the headache that comes with trying to defy expectations.

Ranger is possibly the worst class to solo with IMO, due to the lack of defensive skills and the fact that most mob groupings are not conducive to kiting without pulling adds like crazy. Combined with the sheer number of effects and cooldowns you need to keep track of for maximum DPS, you have a class that sometimes feels like more trouble than it is worth.

If you want to try something different, though, go for it. You might want to go Alchemist or Chef, since I've discovered that I go through a ton of healing items while leveling.
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Posted 01 July 2013 - 10:07 AM

If you don't want to tank, I'd consider just sticking to your Rogue. Swordsmen are almost always expected to tank in some capacity, and it isn't really worth the headache that comes with trying to defy expectations.

Ranger is possibly the worst class to solo with IMO, due to the lack of defensive skills and the fact that most mob groupings are not conducive to kiting without pulling adds like crazy. Combined with the sheer number of effects and cooldowns you need to keep track of for maximum DPS, you have a class that sometimes feels like more trouble than it is worth.

If you want to try something different, though, go for it. You might want to go Alchemist or Chef, since I've discovered that I go through a ton of healing items while leveling.


im gonna give it a go just to see how i like it, i can't really fault the class having never played it. but who knows. i have an alch and a chef alt that i can make foods and pots with so i should be ok. thank you for the constructive post. and if all else fails. i still have my rogue lol
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Posted 02 July 2013 - 01:50 AM

Yea u should be fine aslong as u have armor atleast close to ur lvl and a decent bow my ranger atm is 46. and i have yet. to even use my alchemy to make red or blue pots.. lol the only thing you really need it for is str potions and boost str potions and the other boosts if u use them about it because aslong as you know how to kite.. u should be fine.. and u get alot of pots anyway from doing ur quests and monster drops Ranger kills fast no need to worry about finishing quests slow like some other classes and They pretty much have alot of ways to not get hit. or kite well enough to where if its only u and a priest left at a boss fight after the others got 1 shotted lol u can kite the boss for a fairly long time with wind walk some wind elixers and true sight for reset of wind walk. and just pew pew away its a great class i suggest u give it a go.


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Posted 02 July 2013 - 08:50 AM

Ranger is possibly the worst class to solo with IMO, due to the lack of defensive skills and the fact that most mob groupings are not conducive to kiting without pulling adds like crazy. Combined with the sheer number of effects and cooldowns you need to keep track of for maximum DPS, you have a class that sometimes feels like more trouble than it is worth.

If by soloing you mean just doing the regular quests outside of dungeons, then I don't see how any class can really be bad. The only way you could call one the worst is by saying it's good but other classes are slightly better I'd say. A ranged DPS class like ranger will usually have things almost dead by the time they've reached him so you shouldn't take that much damage. And potions/food are cheap, just use them. I'd say rangers are great at soloing because they kill so unbelievably fast.

If you mean soloing dungeons, well, then any class sucks that isn't beastmaster, priest or maybe sorc.

 

Oh, and how do you kite as a ranger actually? Using traps? It looks to me like you'll have to use charge arrow a lot, no matter what you do, and you can't use that on the move. I can't really imagine many people investing points in traps just to kite regular mobs and with the lvl 1 cooldown it's all but useless. Any strategy I see just looks like it's complicating things too much and you're better off just killing your target as fast as you can and using some pots. The faster killrate should more than make up for the potions used.

 

As for having to juggle so many effects and cooldowns, for some people I guess that would be the attraction. If for instance a wizard going bolt bolt bolt bolt fireball bolt bolt bolt fireball bolt (repeat ad infinitum) puts you to sleep just thinking about it, ranger could be just your cup of tea.


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Posted 02 July 2013 - 12:04 PM

Since you have mediocre armor, no self-heal, and no defensive cooldown, you will take more damage than any other class while soloing unless you are kiting. Moreover, your DPS tends more towards being sustained than burst, so you are unlikely to kill things before they have a chance to get at least a couple hits in. This means more frequent healing and a bigger headache when fighting quest bosses.

 

Kiting is semi-possible but you'll still take some damage. Generally if I need to kite a quest boss, I will pull from max range with Impact Arrow, build up as much Concentration as possible with CA until the boss gets into range, and then switch to PA and DS on the move, running in circles. If PA is down, I'll throw out a CA, but start moving again as soon as the cast bar is full.

 

Of course, since most mobs seem to be able to melee you from 10m away, this only saves  you so much damage in the long run, but I've found it necessary for quest bosses slightly above my level.


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Posted 02 July 2013 - 12:17 PM

Ah, I never fight anything over my level... it's just not worth it with the miss miss miss mechanic in RO2... Better to grind a little bit so you're 1 or 2 levels over the content, or buy a battle manual, they're cheap enough in the auction house usually.

My ranger isn't very high level so maybe it changes, only just became ranger and now am quite overpowered because of a blue pandora weapon, but even as an archer I felt like I was doing so much damage that field quest bosses died way before I lost all my health. I did use some potions but only because I felt it was more efficient to use them and just keep killing. I may have used more potions than other classes, but if you're an alche, you'll probably make those potions anyway to level up your job.


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Posted 02 July 2013 - 12:35 PM

Unfortunately I ran out of level-appropriate quests right around the time I class changed, leaving only mindless grinding, dailies, or higher level quests to do. I was also decidedly unlucky with Pandora Boxes and don't care for the AH, which doesn't make things easier.


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Posted 02 July 2013 - 12:45 PM

Huh, that's odd... well, there is a jump in level to level 25 mobs (when you're sent to the area in front of izlude cave), but once you've class changed you should be okay mostly. Did you do all your exp giving kharas?

Otherwise if you do need to grind, grind on mobs a few levels below you, it's so much faster it easily outweighs the lower exp per kill.


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Posted 02 July 2013 - 12:59 PM

Well, I'm sure the biggest issue is all the Dungeon quests I skipped due to, well, people. So I guess I do have some quests left, just not soloable ones.

 

Again, my main point is that the lack of defense and/or a self heal makes soloing as a Ranger slightly harder than most other classes.


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Posted 04 July 2013 - 02:46 PM

Ranger is possibly the worst class to solo with IMO, due to the lack of defensive skills and the fact that most mob groupings are not conducive to kiting without pulling adds like crazy. Combined with the sheer number of effects and cooldowns you need to keep track of for maximum DPS, you have a class that sometimes feels like more trouble than it is worth.
 

What? Usually I wouldn't want to add more info to the public how OP Rangers are because I am a Ranger myself and I don't want anymore whining nor I want anyone to make another Ranger because there's just too many of us in game. But cmon man your post is just hilarious.

 

No other class can solo farm Guri, Keobi and Kobugi in CoA. Those mob's card are worth 10kz each. Nuff said.


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Posted 05 July 2013 - 03:53 PM

What? Usually I wouldn't want to add more info to the public how OP Rangers are because I am a Ranger myself and I don't want anymore whining nor I want anyone to make another Ranger because there's just too many of us in game. But cmon man your post is just hilarious.

 

No other class can solo farm Guri, Keobi and Kobugi in CoA. Those mob's card are worth 10kz each. Nuff said.

 

Why can a ranger do it and a sorc not?

 

Also, those cards are more like 2.5k, 6k and 3k each atm.


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Posted 05 July 2013 - 06:19 PM

But cmon man your post is just hilarious.

 

Oh Internet, I love how you bring out the best in people.

 

My point was that Ranger is the only class that can only do something the game isn't really designed for (kiting) in order to reduce their need for consumables. Between heals, massive defense, stuns, and defensive cooldowns, every other class has something they can do to reduce their reliance on potions and food. The closest Ranger gets is a trap that doesn't actually prevent the enemy from attacking unless you jump through hoops.

 

If you like kiting, then there is nothing wrong with Ranger while soloing. It's just that they are the worst class at tanking, which is what most classes end up doing most often while soloing.


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Posted 06 July 2013 - 01:54 AM

Why can a ranger do it and a sorc not?

 

Also, those cards are more like 2.5k, 6k and 3k each atm.

Sorcs don't have spammable instant casts for kiting. You can't also out pots/heal 2k+ dmg every 2sec so you really need to kite them. Yeah checked the prices of the cards and I guess it dropped....guess no one wants Aromine set title anymore.

 

 

 

Oh Internet, I love how you bring out the best in people.

 

My point was that Ranger is the only class that can only do something the game isn't really designed for (kiting) in order to reduce their need for consumables. Between heals, massive defense, stuns, and defensive cooldowns, every other class has something they can do to reduce their reliance on potions and food. The closest Ranger gets is a trap that doesn't actually prevent the enemy from attacking unless you jump through hoops.

 

If you like kiting, then there is nothing wrong with Ranger while soloing. It's just that they are the worst class at tanking, which is what most classes end up doing most often while soloing.

 
lol man you don't know nothing.

 


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Posted 08 July 2013 - 02:10 PM

 

Sorcs don't have spammable instant casts for kiting. You can't also out pots/heal 2k+ dmg every 2sec so you really need to kite them. Yeah checked the prices of the cards and I guess it dropped....guess no one wants Aromine set title anymore.

 

 

Err... sorcs are the ones with the spammable instant cast (lightning bolt).

 

Rangers have to use a rotation since their only spammable instant cast has to be built up with concentration first - or hoping for a main ranger proc to happen.

 

If you can use every attack skill on cooldown, you can do - per minute:

- 15x Arrow Impact

- 6x Focused Arrow Strike

- 20x Poison Arrow

- 16.5x Double Strafing

 

That's far from the meaning of "spammable".


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