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#1 Gexmn

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 09:29 AM

Hi, I'm a Magician going into Sorcerer.

Should I max Cold Bolt or Lightning Bolt?

Since LB has no cast time, would it yield higher DPS than CB? Plus I have max Frost Diver so LB is spammed much more often than CB.

I understand that most people max (or lv3~4) CB, but why? Other than Seal of Wind and Jupiter Thunder Mastery, did I miss something?

Give suggestions, thanks.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 11:57 AM

After you become a Sorc, your usage of LB in a normal setting will be limited.  Cold Bolt and Jupter Thunder is the bread and butter of your damage output(With JT being an overwhelmingly bulk of overall damage).  You are spamming LB now as a Magician cause that's simply all you have.  I would look into maxing LB if you are more PvP focused.  In a PvE setting the only time I use LB is if the mob is low that a JT or VS is simply overkill or if I have to dps on the move more than simply stutter step casting CB.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 01:16 PM

Oh I see. But if Cold Bolt is for activating Jupiter Thunder Mastery, is it worth leveling or maxing?

I asked this before, but after actually playing, I think I wanna change my build into something like this:

http://www.ro2base.c...1.1.8/0.0.0.0.0

 

Extra 2 points should either go to Land of Recovery or Summon Aqua (for higher DPS and easier leveling).

Oh, it's a PvE build by the way.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 05:24 PM

IMO, Jupter Thunder Mastery is not worth maxing and is lower in effectiveness in game than it seems due to how the proc activates(I left mine at 1).  Maxing out LoR is worthwhile and putting the last point into Cold Bolt rather than Summon Aqua would yield more DPS.  Pretty much though your build is the standard hybrid build.


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:04 PM

Lv4 and Lv5 LoR is just 1% difference (2% with Earth Seal). Is it really worth maxing?

Here's the build after following your advice, back to my original, standard Hybrid Sorcerer build XD

http://www.ro2base.c...1.1.8/0.0.0.0.0


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:38 AM

Here's one way to look at it

LoR5 vs LoR1: 11/7 = 1.5714, this represents a 57% increase in output.

LoR5 vs LoR4: 11/10 = 1.1, represents a 10% increase

 

Your options in healing are limited.  For situations where you have to heal you have mostly two abilities are your disposal.  That is Healing Wave and Land of Recovery and a 10% increase sounds pretty appealing.  The same case can be made for cold bolt(or most abilities really) though so it is up for you to decide on more healing vs dps.  The two points you have in CB has several alternatives and just simply boils down to personal preference.

 

In my opinion though, most PuG/Random groups are dumb and don't notice details.  They won't notice how potent a spell is, only if it is down or not.  I'm pretty sure Sorc players could get away with 1/5 deluge, earth seal, and LoR and go full dps and if there was a wipe due to healing everyone would be looking at each other stupidly going "WTF, what happened?" cause in the end it falls onto the Priests' shoulders from what the playerbase assumes.  Sorc could easily say LoR was down and Deluge was dropped appropriately and players would simply nod and say "ok".  A bit underhanded, but that's simply my opinion.  I wouldn't suggest doing this though :D cause quite often you could find yourself in a situaton where the Priests are dead and you end up saving the attempt cause you do have healing potency.  But unfortunately that still doesn't help make the case that Sorcs can heal to the wide community. :(


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 11:05 AM

For me, I found more useful to max LB than CB cause I maxed Frost Diver. And like some said, if your goal is to PvP a lot, then LB is better than CB cause CB is used to slow the target most of the time while FD cd is done.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:41 PM

To Faythe: That 10% increase is just comparing lv4 and lv5 relatively, so it's really not that impressive IMO. But nevertheless, I will try lv4 before maxing it.

 

Well, I forgot to mention. I'm more of a solo leveling player. So I don't think Earth Shield will benefit me much. In fact, I should probably just go DPS since I rarely get damaged due to Frost Diver :P (by the time I need healing, the cooldown for Deluge will most likely be over)

But yea, like I said, I will just keep playing and saving up points and decide what suits me best at higher levels.

Rate my DPS build JUST IN CASE I do wanna go for DPS (or hybrid with emphasis on DPS).

http://www.ro2base.c...1.1.1/0.0.0.0.0


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 03:34 PM

Holy @$#%&&^#$ Sorcerers!! Just turned into one today and they are SOOOO OVERPOWERED!!

Frost Diver + Varetyr Spear or Jupiter Thunder is an easy 1k+ damage!! I've never dealt 1k+ damage before (my only lv50 character is an FS priest XD)

Anyways, I still think Lightning Bolt has better use than Cold Bolt. What I like to do is, cast Jupiter Thunder than Cold Bolt to slow down enemy approaching (so looting won't be too troublesome). Then I use Frost Diver then JT or VS. If both miss, or enemy not killed, then Lightning Bolt is valuable at this point...

So I guess I know what to do now, thanks for all your advice and suggestions.

 

P.S. I think job changing now gives you skill reset and stat reset. Not sure if it's a bug though.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 05:38 PM

.... 1k isnt a lot x_x If u proc on lvl 50 gears, u can do like 4k + 

However, that's usually just crit. if someone stuns u or knocks u over, ur pretty much screwed. 


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 04:50 AM

To Faythe: That 10% increase is just comparing lv4 and lv5 relatively, so it's really not that impressive IMO. But nevertheless, I will try lv4 before maxing it.

 

Well, I forgot to mention. I'm more of a solo leveling player. So I don't think Earth Shield will benefit me much. In fact, I should probably just go DPS since I rarely get damaged due to Frost Diver :P (by the time I need healing, the cooldown for Deluge will most likely be over)

But yea, like I said, I will just keep playing and saving up points and decide what suits me best at higher levels.

Rate my DPS build JUST IN CASE I do wanna go for DPS (or hybrid with emphasis on DPS).

http://www.ro2base.c...1.1.1/0.0.0.0.0

 

If that is you're planned DPS build you might as well drop the points in Healing Wave and grab LoV and JT mastery.  Or grab soul bind at least.  Pull points from Foresight if you want to shuffle additional points around.

 

Yes 10% is relative and IMO significant enough to really consider.  I'm used to chasing after a few % or less than 1% increases even if its on paper and not in practice.  So 10% increase on one of your two heals and only sustained AoE heal is worthwhile to me at least.

 

I am mostly a solo player myself and will just join random/PuG raids.  The standard expectation of Sorcs in raids is to keep LoR down when necessary(most raids demand all the time but they can take a hike) and drop Deluge when needed, else DPS.  But hey, if you already have a 50 FS Priest then its your call to make a hybrid or pure dps Sorc.  Just know that it may be a bit more difficult to find raids to take you as a full dps.


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