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#301 Gn1ydnu

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 06:25 PM

Just trying to come up with some helpful ideas. Not sure how the renewal one works or what it looks like, but the on on ROVU is amazing. lol


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Posted 16 August 2013 - 06:54 PM

Just trying to come up with some helpful ideas. Not sure how the renewal one works or what it looks like, but the on on ROVU is amazing. lol

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btw i like your idea of enabling PK in high level dungeons


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Posted 18 August 2013 - 06:53 PM

Well, out of curiosity I decided to give Classic a try.

It's not quite how I remember when I first started.

But, wow, I'm getting no where, fast.  Starting from scratch, not a zeny to my name, no gear, it's difficult.  No way I think I could talk anyone into playing Classic.  Not after seeing the prices of things, and the people I talk to would also have to start from scratch.  It's making me miss renewal, or the eden quests and gear at the very least.  Very hard to get a foothold, I guess is what I'm trying to say.

People I've ran into seem to be either very unfriendly, or bots.  No responses to Hi, hello, or /bo.

It needs.... something, that's for sure.


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 09:23 PM

server does need something
the problem with proposing ideas is that most will be shot down by someone who worked so hard in getting something
sometimes i think a server reset would be good if the attention its receiving now is placed into from the start. But I will admit I would hate losing all ive obtained.
Same thing w/edenish equipment
placing those haphazardly in the server will create a problem for people who spenr hours collectinf certain things to strike it rich.
I guess reducing the exp to non trans 99 MIGHT be an idea to play with
the problem here is that many of us (myself included) would feel kind if cheated due to the struggles we went through to reach that 99.
There are many decent ideas but really, there needs to be some sort of overhaul soon.
Make an event and notify EVERYONE 1-4 weeks in advance. Maybe the pvp tournament (not USRV) with some novelty gear/item as a reward. Bring in that knightmare mode pvp we see a lot. Make prontera a pvp zone randomly some day.
We need to bring players back with interesting things that wont break the game for current/new/returning players.
Maybe even reset the castles one week and have it be similar to the first weeks of renewal WoE where there were MvP spawns in the castles.
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Posted 19 August 2013 - 09:26 PM

server does need something
the problem with proposing ideas is that most will be shot down by someone who worked so hard in getting something
sometimes i think a server reset would be good if the attention its receiving now is placed into from the start. But I will admit I would hate losing all ive obtained.
Same thing w/edenish equipment
placing those haphazardly in the server will create a problem for people who spenr hours collectinf certain things to strike it rich.
I guess reducing the exp to non trans 99 MIGHT be an idea to play with
the problem here is that many of us (myself included) would feel kind if cheated due to the struggles we went through to reach that 99.
There are many decent ideas but really, there needs to be some sort of overhaul soon.
Make an event and notify EVERYONE 1-4 weeks in advance. Maybe the pvp tournament (not USRV) with some novelty gear/item as a reward. Bring in that knightmare mode pvp we see a lot. Make prontera a pvp zone randomly some day.
We need to bring players back with interesting things that wont break the game for current/new/returning players.
Maybe even reset the castles one week and have it be similar to the first weeks of renewal WoE where there were MvP spawns in the castles.
I don't know the answer to bringing people on board. These are just some of the ideas people have proposed (and I disagree with but I must admit COULD work) and some things I think could slowly bring people in.

*If you lower exp rquired for non-trans... do not lower the trans exp requirement... (no, I do not own any 99 character. I don't feel I should get there quickly either)*
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Posted 20 August 2013 - 02:04 AM

Server almost dead now .  I would say  increase the exp rate and pull some pserver players lol


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Posted 20 August 2013 - 03:45 AM

Why does everyone want those pserver players so badly?

 

If you guys want them so badly, go to them but don't turn classic into some -_-ty pserver just so they come to us <_<

 

It's true that Classic's population is really concerning, but you guys with all your "classic is dead"-whining don't make things any better.

 

Every new player that dares to take a look into the forum because he's interesting in the classic server is met with the probably most negative image of the server you could get.


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Posted 20 August 2013 - 06:55 AM

Dead !!


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Posted 20 August 2013 - 07:34 AM

Why does everyone want those pserver players so badly?

 

Because they're better and more fun to play with.  Duh.


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 12:02 PM

Every new player that dares to take a look into the forum because he's interesting in the classic server is met with the probably most negative image of the server you could get.

 

Because as it stands, due to the extremely poor management from opening until now, it's a festering wound hemorrhaging actual players while attracting - at least seemingly - more and more bots?

 

Well, out of curiosity I decided to give Classic a try.

It's not quite how I remember when I first started.

But, wow, I'm getting no where, fast.  Starting from scratch, not a zeny to my name, no gear, it's difficult.  No way I think I could talk anyone into playing Classic.  Not after seeing the prices of things, and the people I talk to would also have to start from scratch.  It's making me miss renewal, or the eden quests and gear at the very least.  Very hard to get a foothold, I guess is what I'm trying to say.

People I've ran into seem to be either very unfriendly, or bots.  No responses to Hi, hello, or /bo.

It needs.... something, that's for sure.

No kidding, then you have idiots trying to overprice items that are neither super rare nor useful to anything other than one specific class and build, at a reasonable price that a new player could afford if they either have diligence or get a lucky card break. And I don't mean just trying to squeeze a few extra zeny, I mean actively buying said items at market avg. and repeatedly putting up your shop with differing names every 30 minutes or so to try and trick ragial into accepting that the average just went up 250%


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 12:07 PM

Because as it stands, due to the extremely poor management from opening until now, it's a festering wound hemorrhaging actual players while attracting - at least seemingly - more and more bots?

 

And trying to close that "wound" with a virus called pserver players makes it any better?

 

I don't think so.


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 12:14 PM

What did you lose to them in WoE and now you're too butthurt to play with them again?

 

DID THE PSERSER PLAYER HURT YOU

WHERE DID HE TOUCH YOU

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 12:17 PM

Pservers came into existence for two reasons

 

1: Pay to Play - main reason for many of them starting back in the day was you could play for free OR if you really liked donate to help keep the servers running.

 

2: Customizing - most of the very successful servers, and some have been running with higher populations than current renewal servers, where actually 5x rate servers.  At first there really had been no "high" rate WoE only servers, only some with rates bumped up to not require endless grindfest leveling.  Add that to the fact that many of the longer running ones had custom quests, actual GM interaction, and the GMs would actively bot hunt instead of the stupid half-ass "player has to report bots mentality here and try to figure out what server had less bot problems.

 

All in all Pserver players aren't bad, and any human player is better than a flood of bots.


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 12:26 PM

RO still is pay 2 play or rather Pay 2 Win now.

 

Playing without VIP is a pain because of the higher death penalty, the reduced warp functions and recently the advantage of the free "no exp loss on death".

 

 

This "Customizing" you speak of is one of my worries. Pserver players play pservers because they are different - what would gravity have to do to get them to play on the official server, that calls itself classic while it's not classic? Even though classic isn't classic, I don't want it to turn into something completely else just so we can have these "spoiled brats" on our server. (I am well aware that some pserver players do not fit into that category).

 

Something else is that almost every pserver has a cashshop, but these cashshops are way more perverse than Gravity's, with stuff like mvp cards, godlikes, complete OMFGONESHOT Equip - what would Gravity have to do to bring players that have those to join our "normal" server?


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 01:30 PM

Have you played on like, ONE pserver in your life?

 

Any respectable pserver doesn't have any of that stuff in their cash shop.  In fact, most pserver players Classic targets come from servers where God Items/MvP Cards/MiniBoss cards are disabled.

 

Your view of pservers is so horribly skewed.  You have no idea what you're talking about.

 

The reason people play pservers is because of variety, ease of access, and lack of commitment.  When a guild quits iRO, we lose months of work.  When a guild quits a WoE pserver, we lose a week of work.

 

If a player wants to play somewhere with 999 max level/all stats/all mvps/godlies freely handed out, they would not be interested in coming to iRO.

 

iRO would do best to target the low/midrate players, and potentially the WoE players.  Not this extremely small tangent group of pserver players you think represents everything.  I'm a pserver player and I've never played on one that even allowed you to attain god items, and sparsely played ones that enabled MvP/Miniboss cards in WoE, even though their card drop rate is LOWER than iRO's.

 

WoE pservers are extremely easy to get into and to quit if you need to.  Log in, oh look, 99/70, free gear.  Go BG for 4 hours and you're set for a month.  If the server dies, you lost nothing.

 

So I'll try my own: your skewed mindset, that belongs to many players, is one of the big detractors for pserver players.


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 03:28 PM

Yes, I did, but that was in the past.

 

During that time, the kind of private server I described was the NORM, I didn't enjoy them in the least and stopped looking for them, thus my "skewed" mindset.

 

Even if pservers are like what you describe nowadays, that makes me question even more the fact "what would bring pserver players like that to play on iRO classic"?

 

Apparently WoE pservers are heaven itself for players who don't want to commit to attaining something that is related to a large time investement and that's what classic currently still is. Not to mention classic HAS mvp cards that are apparently shunned.

 

 

 


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 05:47 AM

What you target is low/mid rate players.

 

WoE pserver players will gladly be a part of the WoE populace, but you will rarely if ever see them outside of it.  But that is life for the endgame, so it's still good.  2ez has used plenty of guest WoEers in the past from pure WoE places.

 

Low and Midrate players will come for a sustainable server without the fear of a wipe.  Changes they'd push for predominately revolve around PvM (hat quests).  WoE players will be attracted for a decent WoE that's a little different from pservers (refreshingly different.  At some point autopot+ndl becomes annoying when it's a 'standard').  WoE players we've used actually enjoy Classics old WoEs because it was a refreshing change.

 

It also gives the illusion of a more active server -- everyone expects those players with a full set of 99/70's to log in seldomly. So when the population jumps for WoE it looks good.


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 07:28 AM

Isn't autopot and NoDelay still used on classic as well? (This is a honest question)

 

I at least remember seeing a recent Classic WoE Video with some LK's sporting no delay.

 

I do have to admit though, what you say sounds good.

 

Stupid idea, but why not change the term for "these" kind of players you want to recruit? If you just say "pserver players" you see what happens.


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 07:39 AM

I see very little cheating in WoE nowadays

 

(less than renewal, anyway)


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 07:40 AM

Isn't autopot and NoDelay still used on classic as well? (This is a honest question)

 

I at least remember seeing a recent Classic WoE Video with some LK's sporting no delay.

 

I do have to admit though, what you say sounds good.

 

Stupid idea, but why not change the term for "these" kind of players you want to recruit? If you just say "pserver players" you see what happens.

 

To a degree, sure, but on most WoE pservers autopot is expected (and distributed by the server) and people try really hard to bypass Harmony so they can nodelay to win.  Not like ONE LK, entire guilds of ndl.


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 07:44 AM

I see very little cheating in WoE nowadays

 

(less than renewal, anyway)

 

 

To a degree, sure, but on most WoE pservers autopot is expected (and distributed by the server) and people try really hard to bypass Harmony so they can nodelay to win.  Not like ONE LK, entire guilds of ndl.

 

 

Well, that does indeed sound like a difference, lol.


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 03:04 PM

I just came back to this game after a few years of not playing and it definitely is not fun starting from scratch again... When I have searched for guilds or party's everyone wants high leveled people so I definitely feel stuck on my own right now. I remember back when I used to play random people would say hey and chat with you or level with you, it seems like the game has lost that friendliness. I was reading through this discussion and my suggestion would be to help the people that need help leveling or whatever, there are a lot of new players so if you help them or support them at least, and give them advice, then soon enough you will have the guilds and more people that you are looking for.


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