Lately, a few people have been advertising the use of CC (crowd control, i.e. stuns, roots such as freezes, and slows) pets in Raids. This was also talked about in other threads, but without enough detail.
The point of this thread is to demonstrate that Pet stuns and roots are completely overpowered, and to make a case that all bosses must be immune to any pet status effects (including stun, roots such as freeze or net and slows).
I have submitted a ticket to GMs weeks ago, and after messaging a couple of them in-game, they told me to create a thread on the forums, and hence this thread.
I was directly told something along the lines of: RO2 Developers currently consider stunning raid bosses a feature/mechanic, and are NOT considered abuse, and are acceptable because players have invested time in farming them.
Therefore, because pet stuns are not abuse, we want to demonstrate how to kill every single raid boss in this game with just 2-5 raid members.
Requirements:
- 2 Players (Preferably, DPS Classes)
- 2 Players with 20 or 30 second CD Embus pets
- Note: Other stun pets are perfectly acceptable, Embus is the best at the moment
We have cleared all of PvE Arena Hard #1-6, with no tanks and no healers (Except Einherjars, these require 4 pet summoners, we only had 2 online).
Here are just 4 examples that show how it can be done with 2 players (I didn't have a stun pet - so my friend did the pet summoning, but didn't attack):
1. Gearbaz - Hard
2. Vadon Brothers - Hard (yes, even 2 bosses at once are fairly simple)
3. Maya - Hard (no tanks needed, no priests, 0 pots used)
4. Ramort - Hard (no tanks needed, no priests, 0 pots used)
Although we've demo'd PvE-H, using this method, you are able to clear all raid content with less than 5 raid members, including AoD N/H, the hardest raids in the game.
What is happening in the videos:
- 2 players are rotating Embus, which is keeping the boss frozen in place
- The boss is unable to cast any skills/AoEs
- The boss is unable to summon any adds
- The boss is unable to enrage
- If a boss enrages (e.g. 7 minute enrage timers in AoD N or H), then it is held in place, and it is harmless
Eventually, the RO2 raiding scene will become stale. It`s fine now, but in the long run, it's going to hurt the game. No body will care about doing the bosses for real anymore, it will just be "hey you got stun pets? you're in!" Tanks will not be needed as much, and healers will be less emphasized, simply because any boss can be just immobilized and stunned forever. It's already beginning to happen.
A commonly suggested solution: Increase the pet cooldowns, or decrease stun and rooting durations
- This does NOT work. For example, if you add 10 seconds to the pet cooldowns, I will add another character to my raid LOL
A common counter-argument: People have worked hard for their pets, and pets will become useless in raids.
- This is NOT true. I can and will name you tons of examples where pets are still insanely strong and useful.
1. Rotating DEF buff/STR debuff pets to survive strong AoEs, or STR buff pets to meet enrage timers for example.
2. Here are 3-4 sets of summoned adds (Maya Purple's Andres: there's like ~10 or something) that are just perma-rooted, to the point where you can basically ignore them and focus boss. Even perma-rooting adds like this is questionable, but still not the point of this thread.
3. AoE pet damage (note: this is a level 1 pet without my doping buff (+30% ATK). Imagine levels 2-4...). Extremely useful (and strong) for clearing boss adds, or dungeon mobs:
The real and only solution: Bosses (at least Raid bosses) need to be immune to crowd control effects.
So whether you're a community member, a CM, a GM, or an RO2 developer, after seeing how ridiculously easy it is to clear raid bosses with stun pets, just honestly ask yourself, do you really think this kind of mechanic is beneficial and should stay in the game?
Whether you agree or disagree with this suggestion, please share your opinions and explain!
Again, a GM has suggested a feedback thread, so please try to keep the thread flame free >_>
Thanks for reading.
Edited by mysticalre, 23 September 2013 - 09:39 AM.