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[Auarion]

It's impossible to farm karvodailnirols anywhere near the quantities required for a GX's daily use. It's not an understatement that GXes need EDP for everything. Mobbing, mvping, WoE, etc. I go through a hundred of those things a day, twice of that when in high level areas.

 

Right now, the only real source of poison bottles is the vending machine and WPS. I've literally never seen someone try to mass-produce them as the fail rate is high and karvos are very rare. Besides, EDP only lasts about a minute and a half with poison research at max. GX is essentially out of luck when nobody is selling poison bottles.

 

That's why I propose that karvos be removed from CDP formula, or replaced with something that could conceivably be gathered in large amounts, such as genetic's bomb, seed, and potion materials.

[Facekiller]

or maybe just change the poison duration to like 10 minutes per bottle...

[stygionyx]

Agrees with OP. Karvo drop rate sucks. Deadly poison creation's success rate sucks. GX without EDP sucks.

 

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[Kadelia]

You could do woe invest. I had several thousand edp bottles from doing that.

[Auarion]

I've tried it, but the rate on poison bottles isn't that great. I think I've only gotten 3 EDP boxes, but I'm sitting on about 1000 makulatas and other things that aren't worth selling.

 

It would be more reasonable if karvos were just replaced with something else entirely. Lower levels could get more zeny selling the rather low-level poison materials. Active GXes wouldn't have to scramble to ragial everytime someone is merching EDP. Most importantly, the create poison skill would see some use. I mean, why pay outrageous prices for such small quantities of karvo when the resultant catalyst lasts such a short time?

 

 

[Viri]

It's so easy to get 100% success though, I managed 100% pre renewal with less stats available and the formula hasn't changed. No big deal. I used to mob poison spores to farm karvo too and now the drop rates are even higher. Deal with it.

[battle]

it still sucks spend 4 hour only get 17 that's without gum

with gum maybe 34-50

 

your right viri he got wrong build for making them.

[Viri]

You're mobbing this map right?

 

http://db.irowiki.or...nfo/mjolnir_06/

 

I assume it's still that way in renewal. 150 is a lot. If you have a mobbing skill you can kill hundreds very quickly.

[Auarion]

Actually, I do have 100% success rate on CDP with equips, but that's beside the point.

I am friends with many GXes who aren't willing to use EDP in normal fights because they simply can't afford their prices. 30k a bottle isn't much to me, but for those whose only character is GX, the farming doesn't get good until the high levels. Karvos being replaced would especially benefit such GXes in low and mid TI. Even in high TI, I've partied with GXes too poor to use EDP.

[Viri]

Then don't use it. That's like saying bomb materials should be free or runes or any other non npcable item. If you can't afford it don't spam it.

 

Be glad they're so cheap now, there was a time they were 200-250k each and people still bought them up and spammed them.

[Auarion]

Arrows and gemstones sure are cheap though.

Rangers sure don't need expensive materials for arrow storm.

Warlock's gemstones come from shop.

Cart cannon has the power of 3-4 hits of a low level GX on EDP per shot, with cheap catalysts.

Don't forget that EDP is a necessity for GX, not a luxury like bombs and runes.

 

 

Edit: Also, please stay on topic. It's nothing personal.

Edited by Auarion, 18 September 2013 - 11:34 AM.

[Viri]

How is it a necessity? You can function without it.

[Auarion]

By comparison, of course. Anyway, crafting them is not easy. I propose that GXes get more bang for their buck for their equivalent of arrow/gemstone/balls/runes. Longer EDP, easier creation via CDP. GXes get a bad reputation in parties for being crap DPS/AoE, but EDP makes them competitive.

 

For all else: Solo, mvp, pvp, woe, it's go EDP or go home. That's quite a few things that GXes need EDP to participate in.

[Matchbox]

How is it a necessity? You can function without it.

 

doing 5-6x less damage isnt really a god idea

u need edps to even do half the dmg other classes do and u're still restricted to a horribly small self-centered 5x5 aoe

Edited by Matchbox, 19 September 2013 - 12:25 AM.

[Kadelia]

Matchbox let me put it this way if the skill was meant to be spammed over and over as a default move it would just cost SP not an item to use.

[Auarion]

If not spammed, the skill does need to be refreshed every minute to minute-thirty in any case. I'm sure the arrow-storm example is trite by now, but ten elven arrows costs less than a thousand zeny, and I'm sure that rangers would be hard pressed to use the skill even thirty times in a minute thirty.

 

About SP, it 100 SP for a class that normally doesn't invest points in INT- Just over 10% of the max SP, and more for lower levels. Makes the difference for those who can't afford SP potions, as using the two or three blue potions required to regain 100 SP costs about half the price of a poison bottle anyway. Yeah, there's such a thing as RWH, but those who cannot afford RWH are the same people who can't bulk-buy poison bottles either.

 

Edit: Or SP potions, for that matter.

Edited by Auarion, 19 September 2013 - 12:25 PM.

[WhiteMeow]

about SP / RWH part

dont forget about Pirate's Folly the Poor man RWH/Vana

 

i would like if EDP duration last longer like 300s/5min

that would be fit

[Xord]

A single AB pair costs 30k+, Light Granules cost 10k+... These things are part of those classes.