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#1 Gabohollow

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 09:22 AM

ok i hear many opinions in where some say vellum its better becuase have more ATK base other says the fist have more % dmg 

 

so what's better?

 

if can put some proofs would be better 

 

thanks for the help


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#2 Baturiano

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 05:58 PM

The V claw flat out would do more damage since it has more attack. Suras usually just use the KVM fist for the faster cast time and switch to mace when the skill is casted


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Posted 17 October 2013 - 07:43 PM

KVM fist is basically just a self sacrament + instant zen.

Vellum Claw is for the instant gfist.
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#4 Gabohollow

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 09:08 PM

ok im confused...maybe iro wiki database is wrong becuase the vellum claw at +10 removes the cast of G. fist and Auto-casts [Zen] after [Fury]  

 

now the glorious fist at +9 says Removes the cast time for [Guillotine Fist] and Automaticly casts [Zen] Lv 1 when [Fury] is used...

 

its not the same thing xD? also i don´t see nothing related to fixed cast time, now being more specific both weapons to +12 who wins using GATES OF HELL im pretty sure vellum

 

claw but some ppl tell me is the glorious XD


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#5 devaiah

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 10:58 PM

No, KVM fist is nerfed if i'm not wrong. It only reduces cast time of g-fist at +9. It does not cast instant gfist anymore.


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#6 Baturiano

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 11:19 PM

ok im confused...maybe iro wiki database is wrong becuase the vellum claw at +10 removes the cast of G. fist and Auto-casts [Zen] after [Fury]  

 

now the glorious fist at +9 says Removes the cast time for [Guillotine Fist] and Automaticly casts [Zen] Lv 1 when [Fury] is used...

 

its not the same thing xD? also i don´t see nothing related to fixed cast time, now being more specific both weapons to +12 who wins using GATES OF HELL im pretty sure vellum

 

claw but some ppl tell me is the glorious XD

You're right claw will win the damage contest on any skill. KVM fist does not insta fist anymore, wiki is outdated but the automatically cast zen part is true. 


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Posted 02 November 2013 - 10:13 AM

even if you got mandragora howled, Gfist is still instant on vellum claw. that's what I used when I get howled


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Posted 03 November 2013 - 08:11 AM

A +12 Vellum Claw does a lot more damage than a +12 KVM fist. A +12 KVM mace on the other hand far surpass both of these weapons.

 

The Claw is only good for instant gfisting. Good for say a Suicide Mechanic.


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#9 9995140418085905013

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Posted 05 March 2017 - 12:41 AM

Any new update on this? Is kvm fist still has instant cast?
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Posted 07 March 2017 - 07:17 AM

Any new update on this? Is kvm fist still has instant cast?

 

No kvm fist just reduces the cast time like sacrament. not instant.


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