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[Njoror]

Hey, Midgardians.

 

Recently, kRO2 announced the closing of it's service, and many of you have questions on how that affects the other versions of the game.

 

First off, the closure will NOT affect any other version of Ragnarok 2. The RO2 studio will keep working on new content development and will be preparing things for the other versions of the game as normal.

 

Some of you are wondering what future there might be for kRO2 or where their players are going. Gravity has a plan to re-open kRO2, but the specific date has not been scheduled yet. Regarding their players, they have not designated a specific server for those players to go to. If kRO2 players wanted to play iRO2, they are capable of doing that, but we will not be able to bring over any characters or items that they may have had on another version of the game.

 

We wanted to make this clear, so there isn't any confusion. We still have some awesome updates coming up (Such as Job Master Ranks, Dayr Desert, Morroc City, Tomb of Osiris, etc), and kRO2 closing doesn't affect these.

 

Hope this clears that up!

[xdada]

Was waiting for this. Thank you for this Squid Meister. 

Edited by xdada, 21 November 2013 - 05:30 PM.

[HunkSurvivor]

yay, throws money at my screen*

[Renave99]

awww yeah!!! very lovely!! 

[ImmortalDreamer]

This makes me happy.

[Nekogatari]

I like this.

[Xerain]

With all the talk of iRO2 becoming teh "main" version of iRo2 back around launch, I can't help but wonder if this wasn't planned well in advance.

You don't just suddenly decide to up and shut down an MMO over night.

[ZeroTigress]

With all the talk of iRO2 becoming teh "main" version of iRo2 back around launch, I can't help but wonder if this wasn't planned well in advance.
You don't just suddenly decide to up and shut down an MMO over night.

Of course you don't. It takes time to piss off your home playerbase by making little to no updates to the game and just focus on adding stuff to the Kafra Shop.

[FluffyGoaty]

Pajama Party anyone?

[3083130728143154097]

yay, throws money at my screen*

this.

[Sahri]

I see no logic in re-opening the kRO2 servers if there aren't enough players to keep it open. Just let em play here, but then again the lag won't make em very happy.

[SoraOfKHK]

Hey, Midgardians.

 

Recently, kRO2 announced the closing of it's service, and many of you have questions on how that affects the other versions of the game.

 

First off, the closure will NOT affect any other version of Ragnarok 2. The RO2 studio will keep working on new content development and will be preparing things for the other versions of the game as normal.

 

Some of you are wondering what future there might be for kRO2 or where their players are going. Gravity has a plan to re-open kRO2, but the specific date has not been scheduled yet. Regarding their players, they have not designated a specific server for those players to go to. If kRO2 players wanted to play iRO2, they are capable of doing that, but we will not be able to bring over any characters or items that they may have had on another version of the game.

 

We wanted to make this clear, so there isn't any confusion. We still have some awesome updates coming up (Such as Job Master Ranks, Dayr Desert, Morroc City, Tomb of Osiris, etc), and kRO2 closing doesn't affect these.

 

Hope this clears that up!

 

 

Not trying to drop anyone's morale here, but your post is basically saying that "We still have the content that they already have Developed, however, we don't know if the game will survive beyond that."

 

What if I said I know someone from Korea that looked into it, and they said that KRO Developers have utterly dropped RO2 completely, and sold rights to it? They're assuming rights are already sold (or in the process of being sold) to Warp Portal, but the fact is, according to their research into it; the rights WERE SOLD.

 

Look, Njoror, I get that you guys have to be tight-lipped to save your own asses, but the community is getting smaller. It's obvious to anyone who has been around since the start and watched people go and go and go.

 

Right now, I might be looking into it too much, but the fact of the matter is that the players actually deserve to hear from the developers right now, unless you can absolutely reassure the players that this game won't fall after all of the mentioned content is here.
 

Gravity, as a company, does not give a damn about players. Even if it hurts their reputation; they'll always get new players. They're powerful enough (despite being near bankrupt in the past) to just make another game off of the profit from the previous one, once it stops being profitable (AKA: once players get so pissed from being ignored that they quit). I said this in the past, but no one listened to me... Yet now, once again; it seems like they're abandoning the players.

 

As a player of RO2: Legend of the Second, I DEMAND that a Developer speak to us. No more BS.

 

I say this in neither disrespect for you, nor the GMs/CMs, nor Warp Portal, but the fact is; this matter needs to be addressed. The Developers have come out and spoke before, so if they're actually still around; they need to come out NOW, for the sake of the morale of the players.

Edited by SoraOfKHK, 22 November 2013 - 12:41 AM.

[VidarWolf]

you cant demand on internetz :|

[SoraOfKHK]

you cant demand on internetz :|

 

I just did, even if it may go unheard.

 

People have done it before and got a reaction from Developers here. I'm tired of their silence. They've only come out a few times.

 

The fact is that Njoror's post alone sounds uncertain, and that invokes uncertainty in players. Doing that drops morale, and players leave. They need an answer if Warp Portal and the Developers expect people to stay.

Edited by SoraOfKHK, 22 November 2013 - 12:44 AM.

[Splendens]

The RO2 studio will keep working on new content development and will be preparing things for the other versions of the game as normal.

 

Not trying to drop anyone's morale here, but your post is basically saying that "We still have the content that they already have Developed, however, we don't know if the game will survive beyond that."

 

 

 

That seems pretty certain to me.

 

ETA:  Not that I wouldn't mind the extra assurance by any means.

Edited by Splendens, 22 November 2013 - 01:01 AM.

[SoraOfKHK]

 

 

That seems pretty certain to me.

 

Certain of the content they already have developed... But what about after that? That's where the uncertainty seems to be in his post. It just seems like he's quoting what he's been relayed by a Developer to calm the masses for now, but it also seems like he's uncertain with the information he's been given, just going by his post.

 

That new content is referring to the content we haven't got yet, and nothing more, from the wording of it. It does not look like it is saying that new content is being developed... Morroc and such have been planned for a while.

Edited by SoraOfKHK, 22 November 2013 - 01:02 AM.

[LostDreamer]

well im sure as long as our player base keeps giving ideas we will still get lots of content

ppl here have a lot of feedback and good ideas

[Inquisitore]

First and Foremost, you are producing some claim that need proof, everybody can say to have "heard voices" or "my cousin told me so".

 

Second, despite being more or less Over Paranoid I don't see all that uncertainity.

 

Third, even if whe did not get any more content after Morroc, who care? We will burn that bridge when will reach it. By that time they will be better alternative for Legend of Bugnarok already.

[SoraOfKHK]

well im sure as long as our player base keeps giving ideas we will still get lots of content

ppl here have a lot of feedback and good ideas

 
I just hope they listen. That's what matters.
 
I get that they CANNOT grant every request, as it would cause utter chaos, but some players actually have many decent ideas that could potentially revive this game... -casually points at ZeroTigress-
 
It's known that Developers can't always come up with content (people run out of ideas in just about any profession, really), so it's not like they can't depend on players for suggestions. I'd almost think that the only thing stopping them is stubbornness or their pride.
 
 

First and Foremost, you are producing some claim that need proof, everybody can say to have "heard voices" or "my cousin told me so".

Second, despite being more or less Over Paranoid I don't see all that uncertainity.

Third, even if whe did not get any more content after Morroc, who care? We will burn that bridge when will reach it. By that time they will be better alternative for Legend of Bugnarok already.

I'd rather not mention names unless the person wishes to come forward themselves. Unlike those who enjoy putting others to public shame and blame, I'd rather not call someone out like that. I'll take the fall for the information, but the fact of the matter is that the information was stated, and I trust the person a whole lot more than I can trust information given to us from the Developers right now, and obviously this is from the Developers, as that's what the CMs do; they relay information, even if it's not the whole truth, or even if it's not truthful at all. Certain ones have stood against them in the past, though, but look what happened to them... Obviously, the CMs and GMs here have no choice but to say what they're given, word-for-word, without questioning it, and without being actually able to tell us the truth, under CONTRACT. That's mainly why I want a Developer to speak to us. With the fall of the server that started it all, of course players are going to panic, and hearing this from a CM will not calm people.

People are already leaving just because KRO2 fell, and they're scared. There are some exceptions, but in most MMOs, when the main server falls, the rest tend to follow, even if the Developers continue developing NEW content for the other servers. There are even MMO Developers who stop developing content, and use the remaining content (that's mid-development, or already developed) to sustain the other servers for the purpose of profit.

It's not paranoia; it's being cautious. People wanna know if it's worth the time and money spent into a game. People won't wanna spend money in a game they know will fall, so of course they'll have to say that the game will be okay, for the purpose of profit.

Maybe you don't see it because you're not paying attention, but it's been obvious more and more that the GMs and CMs are getting less and less solid information. That, or they're just not giving us the whole truth.

There are already better alternatives, even some under the Warp Portal name. RO1 is quite nice.

Edited by SoraOfKHK, 22 November 2013 - 02:29 AM.

[Rukaroa]

Here's the plan.

 

1. Sit

2. Watch/Play

3. ???

4. Que sera, sera

[Inquisitore]

Right now no one leaved because kRO2 closed. People are not playing because the game is buggy, laggy and they cannot level up their guild.

 

Like said before. The GM have spoken and despite your effort to said so there is neither fear nor uncertainithy in their voices.

You happen to have no solid proof (proof can be provided without have to post name of "Friend", it happen in the same contest before) so basically you are here just to cause fear and uncertainity or maybe you are making a mountain of an anthill.

 

Even if what you said is true there is no reason to be afraid, if it fall nobody will get hurt. Nobody here aspect so much from a Game of such level, even if kRO2 was alive I would not expect much after Morroc anyway, after all people unable to make more than 10 Capes are surely not able to make so much game content either.

Edited by Inquisitore, 22 November 2013 - 03:46 AM.

[MamaAmaCriminaL]

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           IIII  think all the "new" content was developed long loooong time ago and you just opening it step by step

           IIII  till last i hoped america will buy ragnarok but they bought requiem(

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Edited by MamaAmaCriminaL, 22 November 2013 - 04:36 AM.

[UnknownBeing]

The issue I see now is where Gravity is going to get money to pay the devs. SEA/NA maybe forced to go aggressive on the cash shop or perhaps when the license expires and upon renewal, they might add some unfavourable clause that could hurt SEA/NA. 

 

Either way, seeing kRO2 close brings uncertainty to the future of RO2. No money, no content.

 

Players, spend your money wisely.

[SoraOfKHK]

Right now no one leaved because kRO2 closed. People are not playing because the game is buggy, laggy and they cannot level up their guild.

 

Like said before. The GM have spoken and despite your effort to said so there is neither fear nor uncertainithy in their voices.

You happen to have no solid proof (proof can be provided without have to post name of "Friend", it happen in the same contest before) so basically you are here just to cause fear and uncertainity or maybe you are making a mountain of an anthill.

 

Even if what you said is true there is no reason to be afraid, if it fall nobody will get hurt. Nobody here aspect so much from a Game of such level, even if kRO2 was alive I would not expect much after Morroc anyway, after all people unable to make more than 10 Capes are surely not able to make so much game content either.

 

I'm sure some have. People lose faith when the main server closes, because it's the oldest one, and the one content typically comes from (though, not necessarily the case with RO2).

 

Well then, if there's no uncertainty, then we have nothing to worry about, now do we? So why then are you so dead-set on shutting me up? How about you chill out and wait for them to respond to me. If you go by my reputation on the forums alone, I'm someone who respects WP as a company, and I've even supported the developers (to the point that people flamed me) in the past, so I can assure you now that I wouldn't be saying these things if I didn't see any justification in it. I can also assure you that I'm not here purposely trying to start drama, but at the same time, asking the questions no one else wants to answer can cause drama.

 

I've played quite a few MMOs, and watched a few fall. I've seen certain habits that the GMs tend to get in their manner of addressing the players, and that's part of why I'm saying what I am here and now. Regardless of what you may think, I currently feel like what I've said here is completely justifiable, and I will not believe otherwise until Njoror tells me otherwise, or until we hear from a Developer.

 

Call me stubborn, but I'd rather hear about the status of the game from the people (the Developers) who have failed to take responsibility for their actions, especially the negative ones (like the increasing number of fiascoes we get thanks to them).

 

However, yeah, you're right, especially about the cape comment (even if it was 16 capes; 15 guild capes, and one 100 Strong cape, and not 10). The game is on the decline. No one can deny that. The fact of the matter is that they need to figure out where to go from here, and to do that, they're going to have to interact with the players, and actually listen to our desires a lot more than they are already. If they're hearing us, then they need to let us know that they've heard us. I'm not saying they have to be on the forums daily, but I know one of them has an account on the forums (and he's even responded to a few player letters posted on the forums in the past). They could at least try to speak with the players weekly, bi-weekly, or at minimum; monthly. They just need to increase their interactions with the players, if they actually care about the future of the game. I think it's about time they step out of the dark and do that, regardless of anything else.

Edited by SoraOfKHK, 22 November 2013 - 07:00 AM.

[raela]

The issue I see now is where Gravity is going to get money to pay the devs. SEA/NA maybe forced to go aggressive on the cash shop or perhaps when the license expires and upon renewal, they might add some unfavourable clause that could hurt SEA/NA. 

 

Either way, seeing kRO2 close brings uncertainty to the future of RO2. No money, no content.

 

Players, spend your money wisely.

 

People have posted that the kRO2 cash shop is much cheaper.. plus they have things like Large Bags dropped from monsters and 3/4/5 minute resurrection cooldown. Add that to low population, and it's pretty clear that kRO2 was not really paying the devs. We already ARE aggressive on the cash shop.