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#1 Arccai

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 10:54 PM

Hello,

Im gonna start by saying, this aint for colo, nothing regarding PVP, its raid and to top the DPS.

I recently created my Wizard, and i will be looking through this more clear once i reach Lv.50
At the moment im following a recommended common build and accepted it.

http://ro2base.com/b...1.1.1/0.0.0.0.0

But the more i think of it the more it makes sense. Haste seems to be very valueable at the end, talking about Abyss/Despair/Chaos etc.
Lets say u'll be having around 25-30% haste @ Lv50, well geared & unbuffed.
Fire Bolt seems to be your main spell, the spammer if you will.
Now i only played as Ranger, and if im not mistaken, you could literally cast 2x "Charged Arrow" within a sec, when activated your Guardian (30% haste)

Now if Wizard is the same case, isnt it sort of obvious that by using this, it would bring out the max potential from the class?

Im gonna go step by step here, starting with Pyro.

Truth be told, this can be counted as a permanent effect while ure in combat.
It generates 15 points every bolt (which you'll be dishing out within 5 sec)
You wait till its duration has runned out.
The only purpose for this is the use of 10% haste (for 30 entire sec!) and not the use of Flame Explosion.
Flame Explosion will probably lower your dps, if you're in ur rampage time spamming Bolt.

Step 2
Fire Vs Wind

I've seen alot of debates on this, and it pretty much relies on how well geared you are, its about balance like any other game.
You can focus on getting as much Magic Attack as possible and skip the other things, You can focus on getting as much Haste as possible and skip the other things, and so on.
But with +10 gears ull be doing pretty much damage anyway, whats important by then is how fast you can use it.
Being able to cast 2x skills of 5 dmg instead of 1x skill of 7 dmg, within the same time is simply better.

Wind will increase you're haste by 20% for 30min, i rest my case there.
The Seal Explosion will therefore also add 15% Haste for 20 sec. (now 20 sec isnt long, but its long enough when you're going rampage to top the Threat Meter)

So what we have is.

Gear and Status - 30% Haste
Seal Explosion - 15% Haste
Wind Emblem - 20% Haste
Pyromaniac 10% Haste

And not to mention Guardian

If you're fast enough to keep up with ur clicking, id say you'll be able to make tons of damage, around 3-4k/bolt @ 60% crit rate, probably 2-3 hits a 1,5sec
http://ro2base.com/b...1.1.1/0.0.0.0.0

Now i havent settled anything, this is just a curious question regarding the haste.
Has this been tried by any experienced Wizard? Do share your view (if you never played wizard, dont bother replying)

If no one do reply to correct me if im wrong, ill be sure to go this path to try it out.


Edited by Arccai, 03 December 2013 - 11:49 PM.

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#2 elvenne

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 01:24 AM

It has already been discussed before and tested in this topic.


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Posted 04 December 2013 - 01:58 AM

Yea, ive read it. Thats a comparison between two skills, i could fully agree that 20% only wouldnt really do the trick, 20% is 1 of the parts that will make the great trick. So assuming using the "standard" build and Wind Emblem, that would suck. You will ofcourse notice the cast speed, but it wont be enough to make dps different. What requires to make a DPS difference is more haste.

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 02:48 AM

It's not just a comparison of two skills, read through the topic more carefully. It is a comparison of many skills and their combinations.

 

What was found out there, is that only guardian can help you cast noticeably faster (vigor+haste), because no matter how fast you cast, you will suffer from the animation delay between casts.


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#5 Gondai

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 03:10 AM

Hmmm to me it appears its pretty much confirmed.

Written by Kalandros
I have 54.2% Haste without Blast Wind/Guardian, this goes up to 99.2% when both are up together - missing that .8% to make it instant cast for 20 seconds O:
My DPS is MUCH MUCH higher than when I was full fire spec, I'm up there with rangers without problem.


Im just gonna give it a try, i can always afford a reset scroll otherwise.
Fun to see that Bolt/Wind was already a build, and here i came thinking i made it up, lmao

Edited by Gondai, 04 December 2013 - 03:19 AM.

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#6 Gondai

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 09:50 AM

LOL, ok im going back to my Ranger, 60% haste and he still using the same speed of animation as it would be 0% haste.


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Posted 04 December 2013 - 03:35 PM

Haste doesn't cut animation. As how it was tested on 100% haste, it's still not reducing wizard casting skill to 0 and attacking is still sluggish. Nonetheless there was no 100% uptime for that as well. 

 

Because of this, to maximize the result, cut down the timing to 80%-90% casting bar and release the spell. That's the only time you will get the real value for casting and cd for each skills. Therefore, anyone who waited for the casting bar to end all this time is actually wasting so many seconds in total (animation, casting, cd, and projectiles into account).

 

I went into TG and notice that Wiz dot literally not doing any damage at all, however their crit is another matter. Died within two shot of crit firebolt. Due to high base damage percentage (40% damage bolts), thus their crit damage is superb once it procs. Pretty much to say that Wiz is good if your target isn't mobile and taking long time to kill due to his stacking damage. 

 

So, if you're taking burst dps into consideration, then do consider Wind Emblem as your buff spell, and stack as many crit as possible. But note that you will sacrifice a lot of other skills. Else, just play with fire and hope the dev ninja buff it. 


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Posted 18 December 2013 - 02:22 AM

A lot of people have tried it, and pretty much all went back to Fire Emblem.  But don't let that discourage you from trying it.  Go ahead and do it, and let us know what you think.

 

I think hearing about more people's experience is good for gathering information.  


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Posted 18 December 2013 - 08:39 PM

Right now I would suggest Fire Emblem due to the changes to it, it no longer applies a dot(damage over time) instead it gives you 5seconds of firebolt increase damage and there instant.


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