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[Verinne]

Still not good.

Why?

Simply cause at the spot where this game still is:

1.Dmg from mobs is too low (high defense)

2.too high hp pool to even die

3.Osiris/Joser/Menace is too overbuffed.

4.That "new map" if there would get seedrunes that would still make old content completely useless.

Still a big no no.

I would say yes if the menace/joser/osiris gears would be like before (Menace = Pront H but menace lacks some stats), and hp pool wouldnt be that big lets say 10-12 vit.

Still the game is easy and doubt the new content would be harder when even me has 70% def rate with joser gears. Only way atm they can do this "harder" is to raise hp of all mobs to 60-100k hp, but ppl will be mad no matter what.

Ps. Don't leave us Professor i liked your stuff and flames and guides cause you know the stuff and its great to have some1 with knowledge.

 

The storyline is already dead and the old content is already useless as of now. Its just those "veteran and those feeling veteran" people whose telling new people to "get through what we've been through." It was like "hey that's unfair for us who've been through rough times".

 

I'm only suggesting to the state of the game as of now.

 

 

My idea: 

 

Blue Seeds and Red Seeds dropped from Fallen Fortress Mobs, so why not offer them also in Dayr Temple? Green Seed Rune Boxes from Chaos Dungeon (21 boxes per run maxed since people abusing reward bug) why not offer it from Osiris Bosses or the next Dungeon.

 

I'm basically saying things you get in Prontera - Fallen Fortress, why not make it available in Morocc?

[MorbidCoffee]

old content is already useless as of now.

 

abusing reward bug

 

Translation: "You're wrong, nothing is wrong with this game!!!"

 

I'm sorry, but you've failed my class. Unlike RO2, I can't just hand out a passing grade to everybody. I've pinned a note to your jacket. Make sure your parents read it when you get home and have them contact me ASAP to discuss your comprehension of whats right and whats wrong, and why you've received a failing grade.

Edited by MorbidCoffee, 14 February 2014 - 11:31 PM.

[VanS3n]

everything in the game is already easy and people are still too lazy to do all the hard work.. just want devs to spoonfeed them with everything..

you can practically clear all old raids far easier and faster than what the older players did before.. with how things are now, you guys have no excuse why you can't even go chaos dungeon or fallen fortress for your seedrunes...

if you guys are gonna ask for that.. why not just tell the devs to delete all old raid content.. every single one of them as they will no longer serve any purpose..

[jdmtouch]

gotta make things easier for people and eventually this game will be as free as free lunch in high schools.

[VanS3n]

"The Reason for Ambush Quest" was supposed to force players to go finish COA and AOD for the quest items before they can fully access Osiris.. but for some reason looks like it is either bugged or broken and it doesnt matter if you even bother with it or not.

with the quest line in mind.. if it does what it was supposed to do.. you guys should have access to Chaos if you are already doing Osiris.. if it was working as intended

[Verinne]

Translation: "You're wrong, nothing is wrong with this game!!!"

 

I'm sorry, but you've failed my class. Unlike RO2, I can't just hand out a passing grade to everybody. I've pinned a note to your jacket. Make sure your parents read it when you get home and have them contact me ASAP to discuss your comprehension of whats right and whats wrong, and why you've received a failing grade.

 

Uhm sorry but I'm not on your class and planning to enroll on it lol. What's not wrong? getting 21 boxes instead of 6?

 

everything in the game is already easy and people are still too lazy to do all the hard work.. just want devs to spoonfeed them with everything..

you can practically clear all old raids far easier and faster than what the older players did before.. with how things are now, you guys have no excuse why you can't even go chaos dungeon or fallen fortress for your seedrunes...

if you guys are gonna ask for that.. why not just tell the devs to delete all old raid content.. every single one of them as they will no longer serve any purpose..

 

Uhm FYI. I've been playing since the hard times when raids are based on "MaxHP" requirement. Also been through those times when RMH is as hard as hell and that contented feeling when you completed it. I got all my 4 chars full chaos geared before AoV and been through Raid and gear progression.  So please don't talk like my dad as if i don't know what everyone here has been through.

 

Yes everything is easy now. but I'm not complaining, just merely suggesting making things available within the new capital. 

[VanS3n]

Are people that lazy to go take a long range kafra flight back to Prontera and go to FF and farm seedrunes? Does it take a big amount of zenny for us to go back to Prontera to do things in there?

I guess we should be expecting devs to move WOE map to Morroc then if people are having a hard time getting from Morroc to Prontera basing on your line of argument.

[MorbidCoffee]

I'm going to make this very, very, VERY simple to understand. Please pay attention.

 

Your post at the top of this page basically reads as the following: "People are abusing a bug to get more seed runes! Rather than address this issue, it should be made easier to get even more seed runes because nobody cares about the old content!"

 

If you can't see the issue after that, then there's really nothing else I can do for you. I've said it in other threads but I'll repeat it here, the playerbase that's used to the way the game is right now is extremely spoiled and ungrateful. If you're fine with having 10% of a game to play and don't see how this would affect balance, content, or anything else, then by all means let the suggestion roll and I won't make an argument against it anymore for this community.

Edited by MorbidCoffee, 15 February 2014 - 12:10 AM.

[lokasenna]

"The Reason for Ambush Quest" was supposed to force players to go finish COA and AOD for the quest items before they can fully access Osiris.. but for some reason looks like it is either bugged or broken and it doesnt matter if you even bother with it or not.

with the quest line in mind.. if it does what it was supposed to do.. you guys should have access to Chaos if you are already doing Osiris.. if it was working as intended

 

Well, it's still part of the quest chain but isn't required to enter Osiris, so you would probably need to complete it before you can rank up to B aka get to ML21. Like how you can enter older dungeons without the quests to complete inside.

 

At least with T2 colosseum gear pre-AoV you actually had to make an effort to collect trophies, and you still had to do PvE/Bapho/CoA/AoD to progress to Chaos, even if you didn't have to complete the gear sets from these raids. So essentially you just skip right to AoDH gear but you still have to put in roughly the same amount of time to collect trophies and BP. Now you can just skip all raids and just use Master Level equipment, which honestly will always rub someone the wrong way because that's basically saying 'ha ha! you took the hard way round!' to those who've done the raids and gotten geared before AoV. 

 

What Verinne is saying is applying to the current state of the game - broken raids, broken stats, and all. Say you're a new player after AoV, who started playing after all ML gear had seed runes. To them it will be tedious to farm previous raids (that they didn't actually need to progress) for content, because there's zero challenge at all, so why not make those runes drop from future (challenging a la CoA/AoD pre-AoV, that require CD) content? Or give previous raids a Master Level mode? Or fix the friggin facerolling everything issue with ML1 (level 51) gear? Anything just to give the game a sense of progression again.

 

The underlying problem is the broken raid progression and how you can faceroll everything. They should never have put seed runes in Menace and Joser (why would you even put all seed runes in Menace gear? Nobody would bother to get Joser since the difference between them isn't that much), and then required the Reason for Ambush quest to do Osiris. (And the studio should probably address the small wee issue of actually balancing stats for both players and mobs, but yeah I can wish.) Then it would probably be fine if Osiris dropped greenseed rune boxes.

 

But it's too late to fix the raid progression, because everyone and their mom has Osiris gear now, hence this suggestion. I don't know how Gravity is going to save the situation but it's looking pretty bad. They've patched up a leaky roof over and over when the problem was that the roof had to be replaced.

 

TL;DR: We're screwed either way lol.

Edited by lokasenna, 15 February 2014 - 06:06 AM.

[raela]

"The Reason for Ambush Quest" was supposed to force players to go finish COA and AOD for the quest items before they can fully access Osiris.. but for some reason looks like it is either bugged or broken and it doesnt matter if you even bother with it or not.

with the quest line in mind.. if it does what it was supposed to do.. you guys should have access to Chaos if you are already doing Osiris.. if it was working as intended

 

Where does it say anywhere, in game or out of game, that this quest should be required to access Osiris? Because the CMs said in the sneak peek livestream that getting into Osiris would not require any old raids.

[AuroraSkye]

I'm definitely saying no for the seed runes dropping in Dayr. ^-^ Either way with how the game currently is, whether making players go through Chaos or drop in Dayr, its a lose lose situation for everyone. Having them drop in Dayr is like lvl 1-50 becoming even more obsolete than it already is (and how it is now is sad). Currently having people run through Chaos who don't already have access from all of December makes this game slow, sluggish, boring, and whats the point? (The requirements for Chaos pre-AoV were harsh, now just why....kind of feeling)

 

The whole point of this thread thus far is screaming "Fix Old Content!"  I would love raids to be challenging and Osiris dungeon to mean something more than 1-2 players pretty much soloing the entire thing. There is no excitment, hype, or challenge in the way things are. The monsters do nothing to the playbase now. Res and Spinels using psychology as a base are quite useless. People only seem to die by mistake or carelessness, not by game content. So after all that, definitely no to dropping seed runes in Dayr. Menace And Djoser shouldn't even have those slots to be honest. I completely agree with Coffee on this one on an added note.

[Haboob]

I like how you all conveniently forget the abuse players did to complete past raids with embus freeze or looping. Or you act high and mighty because you may have defeated ratmaster when he was hidden behind a paywall. Well AoV is a rebirth type patch to get everyone new and old on the same footing again even if the content is tame you have to let it go. As for seedrunes on menance or joser i can't believe this is even an issue runeing those gears is the most retarded idea ever as the nakid +0 gear will get you into osi just fine.

 

The storyline is already dead and the old content is already useless as of now. Its just those "veteran and those feeling veteran" people whose telling new people to "get through what we've been through." It was like "hey that's unfair for us who've been through rough times".

 

I'm only suggesting to the state of the game as of now.

 

 

My idea: 

 

Blue Seeds and Red Seeds dropped from Fallen Fortress Mobs, so why not offer them also in Dayr Temple? Green Seed Rune Boxes from Chaos Dungeon (21 boxes per run maxed since people abusing reward bug) why not offer it from Osiris Bosses or the next Dungeon.

 

I'm basically saying things you get in Prontera - Fallen Fortress, why not make it available in Morocc?

 

I say you are on the sane person in this thread who isnt bleeding emotes over past content. Chaos is being abused correct and old content isnt rewarding in terms of exp gain or monster strength as a master level shouldnt be dealing with it. I would rather old content be scaled up for master levels but your solution of just adding seedrunes to morroc content works i guess.

 

I think though because chaos greenseed farm is being abused runes should be relocated to morroc for that reason alone, gl to anyone refuting that.

 

 

Edited by Haboob, 15 February 2014 - 07:20 AM.

[Sahri]

Eh, no thanks. I actually wanna have a REASON to try out the chaos dungeon but finding a party willing to do them is even harder than the quests and dungeons because people are all about farming mummies, muka or condors.

[Sleus2]

New players can and do skip raids and will complete them overgeared, which makes them the easiest thing in the game. Then after and only after they are decked out will they farm Chaos.

 

Now since people will do this, having seedrunes dropped from morroc content makes sense.

 

Theres no barriers in place to keep new players from subverting content and doing it the normal way.

 

You don't make sense if you think that making seed runes drop at morroc will make the game harder.  First of all, and it's obvious, going to CHAOS dungeon is hella harder than you thought (COMPLETING QUESTS) . Speaking of quests, if you make seed runes drop in morroc, the main quest line will be ruined because people (People who don't care about the lore of the game)  won't go to Chaos dungeon anymore and just go to morroc straight ahead (And there might also be a story behind Colored seed runes dropping in falling fortress, ask the devs.). Thank you and good luck.

Edited by Sleus2, 15 February 2014 - 12:41 PM.

[Baddiez]

Lawl.....as if chaos is the first thing that has ever been abused for gain in this game....smfh

 

 

[Natenaw]

I say no to having them drop in Morroc area period. I am an advent MMO player, and if they do that is would make the game worse. Why do you people want stuff spoonfeed to you? Seedrunes are end game items(even with the new expansion). They should be earned not given, that being said new players should do old content anyways to learn there classes in a raid setting thats not osiris where the bosses do nothing. If and when they fix it you will need to know how to play to progress again. Also Professor Coffee makes all her/his posts with complete info unlike most others here. Good day and have fun.

[jdmtouch]

how to get spoonfed 101.

[Natenaw]

how to get spoonfed 101.

Get on your knees and beg for something that is a reward for free and that's how it is done lol.

[VoxStellarum]

ATM who the hell needs runes with all the honing firepower