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[Kagaho10]

Hello!

 

I am a fresh with kagerou and i would like to know what is the best weapon and equippaments for Kagerou PVP.

I saw some kagerous playing and i liked kunai and ilusions skills, like Kunai Explosive, Kunai Splash, Ilusion Shadow but i dont know wich one is the best: Kunai or Magic build.

 

Can help me ?

[Facekiller]

for pvp? use Killing stroke and/or Rapid Throw... there are sooo many Golden thief bug users in pvp anymore that magic will only take down the undergeared really... all the other skills will really just annoy others ... Cast Ninja Spell is useful... the illusion skills are kinda pointless on anybody of equal or higher level than you... with all the gtbs, GRs, DRs, and WOE armor sets all the normal skills do very little in the way of damage anymore... people will easily outpot your damage...

[Kagaho10]

Oh, sounds like a little hard kagerou in PvP againt 3rd classes. Thanks for repply.

And what about MVP? Magic skills or Kunai is the best solution? Srry, but it is my 1st time with Kagerou.

[Facekiller]

for MVP throwing all the way... Swirling petals and Kunai Explosion for your main damage skills... Earth charms to buff damage (use 9 earth charms and a converter for the best damage)... Illusion Shadow to work as a portable tank... Pure Soul 5 to keep your HP and SP up (also negates ALL magic damage by 50% chance as well as curing blind, poison, coldslow, burning and curse effects) and 16th night 3 to reduce cast times.... you can also get Cast Ninja Spell for additional damage.... targets receive additional damage in the Cast ninja Spell AOE from weapons of the same element as the spell cast IE: Using 9 earth charms and a water converter on a MVP standing in the aoe Cast Ninja Spell (water) does more damage vs being outside the aoe.... Melee Kagerou also do well vs MVPs... 

[BloodlessChrome]

for pvp? use Killing stroke and/or Rapid Throw... there are sooo many Golden thief bug users in pvp anymore that magic will only take down the undergeared really... all the other skills will really just annoy others ... Cast Ninja Spell is useful... the illusion skills are kinda pointless on anybody of equal or higher level than you... with all the gtbs, GRs, DRs, and WOE armor sets all the normal skills do very little in the way of damage anymore... people will easily outpot your damage...

I do not encounter a GTB users in PvP in WoE i do (if you are missing on a RK it is the rune stone magic shield, you just have to wear it off) Killing stroke takes a lot of building up, (ninja aura->mirror image->ninja aura-> killing stroke and making sure you did not lose hits on your mirror image and having 10 earth charms) but it does kill some players but full pvp geared characters and moderate HP you wont kill, might lower then in which you should use haze slasher->shadow slash hoping the target does not pot up and you having to pot/put up pure soul.

I do have an excellent PvP that uses both melee and an magic to help CC.

Edit: some skills to have is shadow warrior, soul cutter and empty shadow (this disable reflects, sac, mental str, shadow formation)
P.S you can still with flaming petals even they have high mdef and reductions but you will want instant cast and doing at least 3k a cast, if they switch to fire armor, try to freeze with snow flake draft spam FP, SFD.
Using a kage in pvp and WoE takes a lot of switching with gears and skills. sometimes it is annoying because you are putting in more work to be good at your class while other class they just have to be decent and own.

Edited by BloodlessChrome, 15 February 2014 - 08:22 PM.

[Facekiller]

spamming freezing spear also work alot in pvp if they dont have GTB... alot will default fire armors to help vs dragons breath... swirling petals is also a nice skill since its mechanics allow it to bypass CSS for enemy ninja....

[Kagaho10]

Understood. Well, if you can see my new build and give an option about it.

Dagger Throwing Pratice lv10
Throw Kunai lv5
Explose Kunai lv5
Kunai Splash lv5
Cicada Skin Head lv5
Ilusion Shadow lv5
Ilusin Bewitch lv5
Ilusion Shock lv5
Ilusion Death lv5
Ninja Mastery lv10
Flaming Petals lv10
Blaze Shield lv9
Exploding Dragon lv5
Pure Soul lv5
16th Night lv5
Fire Charm
Ice Charm
Wind Charm
Ice Charm
Release Ninja Spell
Cast Ninja Spell


STATS:

STR: 93+7
AGI: 1+6
VIT: 96+4
INT: 94+6
DEX: 82+8
LUK: 46+4
 

I'm trying create a hybric build...
The beast weapon (switching) would be 2x Bazerald Enchant and 2x Main Gauche with 4x Eskeleton Archer ?

Thanks again Okami Maru!

 

Edited by Kagaho10, 16 February 2014 - 08:03 AM.

[Facekiller]

kunai splash isnt worth the points... the damage is weak... and you need 800 kunai to cast the skill 100 times... way too heavy... youll leave yourself open to SC masq skills.... the illusion skills work best on players of a much lower level than you are (some of teh most pointless skills created)... illusion shadow isnt that great for PVP since it doesnt actually confuse anybody (tho it can mmove you out of an aoe in cast of an emergency)... Exploding Dragons damage is weaker than Flame petals and isnt spammable like Flame petals... heres a couple options for a good Kagerou PVP build

 

CSS5

Ninja mastery10

throw kunai5

mirror image 9

ninja aura 3

Killing Stroke 10

flame petals 9

freezing spear9

shadow slash5

Kunai explosion 5

cast ninja spell

shadow hiding

empty shadow 3

pure soul5

16th night 3

illusion shadow2....

 

the second build would be:

CSS5

Ninja mastery10

throw kunai5

flame petals 9

freezing spear9

shadow slash5

Kunai explosion 5

rapid throw10

cast ninja spell

shadow hiding

empty shadow 5

pure soul5

16th night 3

illusion shadow3....

 

for the first build weapon wise id say get a triple ice or drowsy mailbreaker[3] (breaking woe armors breaks the sets Demi reducts) and a quad Kingbird MG/shield with thara frog/flame skull... the idea is to destroy their armor disable themso they cant move heal or use skill then use KS while in pure soul... (this was my PVP strategy when i was still into PVP... for teh magic part use the bazeralds to spam magic to hitlock and drain the enemies HP...

 

for the second build the weapons would be essentially the same tho the Quad Kingbird MG isnt needed since your kunai skill will just be used to break armor and inflict status effects... Rapid throws damage is based off zeny not gears... youll still spam magic for the most part to deal damage and use Rapid Throw when the enemy is incompasitated due to sleep/frozen/stone cursed... youll have a much better hit rate that way...

 

stat wise the first build would be

100 str

100vit

100 dex

100int

and 70ish agi

 

the second build would be

100int

100dex

100luck

100vit

70ish agi

 

 

 

 

 

[Kagaho10]

Thanks again Okami, I'm trying to understand yours tips. but my build could works against MVP?

[Facekiller]

a hybrid for MVP would be the BLC(Blue Lotus Clan) Hybrid Build which is my personal build....

stats are:

100str

100vit

100dex

100int

70agi

these are Totals not base...

 

skills are

CSS5

Ninja mastery10

throw kunai5

throw huuma5

dagger throwing 10

flame petals8

freezing spear8

wind blade8

shadow slash5

illusion shadow3

kunai explosion5

swirling petals5

pure soul5

16th night 3

cast ninja spell

and shadow hiding

youll have 10 points left over to do whatever you want with... i put 5 into right hand mastery and 5 into cross slash for melee fun... the illusion skills wont effect MVPs (other than illusion shadow working as a tank)... this is the build i use to solo in ET, Biolabs, Bifrost tower and scarabas...

 

weapon wise i use a +8 double kingbird Petal huuma for my throwing skills and 2x +7 magical Mikatsuki for my magics...

[Kagaho10]

Wow, i liked! but i still have some questions.. Can be 2x better Quad Kingbird Main gauche for Kunai Explosion? and about magics skills, Why only level 8 ? Mikatsuki is better than Bazerald Erchant ? Mikatsuki has slot ?

Thanks very much again Okami, sorry about too many questions about Kagerou

[Facekiller]

i alternate between Swirling petals and Kunai explosion... while i could get better damage from KE using 2 daggers i wouldnt be able to use Swirling petals and throw huuma... i got only level 8 magics because i sacrificed the other points for Cross slash and Right hand mastery... like i said with just the basics youll have 10 points left over to put into Magic or whatever other skills you want... enchanted Bazerald is better than Mikatsuki[1] but the Mikatsuki[1] is cheaper... and the damage i get from spamming magic is good enough... you can obviously get better gears than i use... i use a +9 Immune HBP as opposed to getting 2 FAW (one for magic and one for throwing)... there is ALOT of flexibility in Kagerou class... it really depends on your play style... i personally worry less about max damage and focus more on survivability and versatility...

[samudra]

for the first build weapon wise id say get a triple ice or drowsy mailbreaker[3] (breaking woe armors breaks the sets Demi reducts) and a quad Kingbird MG/shield with thara frog/flame skull... the idea is to destroy their armor disable themso they cant move heal or use skill then use KS while in pure soul... (this was my PVP strategy when i was still into PVP... for teh magic part use the bazeralds to spam magic to hitlock and drain the enemies HP...

 

wow,this good idea
btw, what skil u use for disable so they cant move/heal/use skill?

is that makibishi?

[Facekiller]

cast ninja spell, wind, earth, ice will do that or using throw kunai while using status effect daggers.... using a MG carded with marina cards will cause kunai to freeze enemies... plankton causes sleep... using armor carded with dark frame or demon pungus will sleep and stone curse enemies who attack you... the status effects will bypass pneuma and other skills even when the damage doesnt... all physical skills will inflict status effects as long as the weapon is carded with those status cards.... this goes for KS too... i once killed a 150 sura with my 99 ninja thanks to a freezing double KS... the first KS did damage and froze him... this gave me time to heal and then KS again which killed him... Burning is nice on Sura who use Mental strength since it does fixed damage and bypasses their def... they also cant use skills to heal....  think 3 steps ahead... the initial attacks should be a set up to the kill skill... use the 3 D's in PVP... Destroy their armor, Disable their skills, Devastate their HP...

[Kagaho10]

Thanks again Okami.

Now, i would like to know which has the max damage, Kunai Explosive or Swirling petals?

Thanks!

[Facekiller]

KE does more damage than Swilirling.... but swirling has a better aoe

[samudra]

cast ninja spell, wind, earth, ice will do that or using throw kunai while using status effect daggers.... using a MG carded with marina cards will cause kunai to freeze enemies... plankton causes sleep... using armor carded with dark frame or demon pungus will sleep and stone curse enemies who attack you... the status effects will bypass pneuma and other skills even when the damage doesnt... all physical skills will inflict status effects as long as the weapon is carded with those status cards.... this goes for KS too... i once killed a 150 sura with my 99 ninja thanks to a freezing double KS... the first KS did damage and froze him... this gave me time to heal and then KS again which killed him... Burning is nice on Sura who use Mental strength since it does fixed damage and bypasses their def... they also cant use skills to heal....  think 3 steps ahead... the initial attacks should be a set up to the kill skill... use the 3 D's in PVP... Destroy their armor, Disable their skills, Devastate their HP...

 

wow i never think about that
because i think, status card like that on weapon never work with KS

double KS with marina first
even damage drop, but when he freeze he can't use healing item
and you have time to KS with 4mg AS

i will test that combo 

[Kagaho10]

wow i never think about that
because i think, status card like that on weapon never work with KS

double KS with marina firsteven damage drop, but when he freeze he can't use healing item
and you have time to KS with 4mg AS

i will test that combo 

Try and write the experience here  
 

cast ninja spell, wind, earth, ice will do that or using throw kunai while using status effect daggers.... using a MG carded with marina cards will cause kunai to freeze enemies... plankton causes sleep... using armor carded with dark frame or demon pungus will sleep and stone curse enemies who attack you... the status effects will bypass pneuma and other skills even when the damage doesnt... all physical skills will inflict status effects as long as the weapon is carded with those status cards.... this goes for KS too... i once killed a 150 sura with my 99 ninja thanks to a freezing double KS... the first KS did damage and froze him... this gave me time to heal and then KS again which killed him... Burning is nice on Sura who use Mental strength since it does fixed damage and bypasses their def... they also cant use skills to heal....  think 3 steps ahead... the initial attacks should be a set up to the kill skill... use the 3 D's in PVP... Destroy their armor, Disable their skills, Devastate their HP...

 

But if he had Marc Card, would fail right?

And your magic damage, is better than KE and S.Petals?

[AvalonEir]

Marc would make you immune to the frozen status (also Evil Druid). Nightmare will make you immune to sleep and Evil Druid/dual Gemini will make you stone curse immune (provided you have 80+ VIT, which you should). Some people just don't seem to know how to gear properly or switch gears though.

Facekiller got lucky. A sura can just easily get out of frozen status with Gentle Touch-Cure, so either he had no spheres which is weird or just didn't know what to do.

Overall killing with a ninja is pretty hard due to all the reductions now, unless they resort to using Rapid Throw. Still, I see more players drop to magic than KE and Swirling Petals. Neither KE nor Swirling Petals hit that high, especially with all the reductions, and they aren't very spammable either. At least magic is spammable with 16th Night.

[Kagaho10]

Marc would make you immune to the frozen status (also Evil Druid). Nightmare will make you immune to sleep and Evil Druid/dual Gemini will make you stone curse immune (provided you have 80+ VIT, which you should). Some people just don't seem to know how to gear properly or switch gears though.

Facekiller got lucky. A sura can just easily get out of frozen status with Gentle Touch-Cure, so either he had no spheres which is weird or just didn't know what to do.

Overall killing with a ninja is pretty hard due to all the reductions now, unless they resort to using Rapid Throw. Still, I see more players drop to magic than KE and Swirling Petals. Neither KE nor Swirling Petals hit that high, especially with all the reductions, and they aren't very spammable either. At least magic is spammable with 16th Night.

Thanks, i will try builds in Sakray Server...
So, Where can i buy charms and kunai explosive ? i didnt found in Amatsu ninja's guild

[Facekiller]

using a mailbreaker[3] with 3 marina cards would give you a chance to destroy the enemies armor and the frozen status will let you know when their marc card has been disabled...

[DivinumRen]

using a mailbreaker[3] with 3 marina cards would give you a chance to destroy the enemies armor and the frozen status will let you know when their marc card has been disabled...

 

Full Chemical Protection!

 

I have a Bio slave for pvp/woe.

 

Throwing skills are for hunting, magic and Rapid Throw ninjas are for pvp.

 

 

[Facekiller]

meh... if you need to use Rapid Throw in pvp to kill you might as well turn the game off, uninstall it, turn your computer off, throw it out a window, and then cut yourself on the broken parts until you bleed out and die... cuz you probably fail in every other aspect of life as well... magic is better but can be negated by the bazillion GTB cards that seem to be floating around... im interested in the new breeds of melee ninja that seem to be doing quite well in pvp...

[samudra]

Try and write the experience here  
 

 

ah yeah, it was hard, i tried use 4 marina mg and 4plankton mg
both weapon same, have low chance
need 5-7x ks, to make the effect come out

but when the effect come out, it was really2 nice combo surely
efficient for killing rk, because lot of them,have huge maxhp, even with seal.taogunka i cant 1hit ko them