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#76 jellopyking

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Posted 05 June 2014 - 02:27 AM

Then we should ask the developers to change our class's name from "RANGE"r to Bower.....

 

no no no

devs might engrish it and make it bowel, make it bowie cuz david bowie


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#77 Meirin

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 12:40 PM

After the DW patch, it seems like the Ranger class received another nerfing. Maybe it is just my imagination, but I am pretty confident that I am doing 1000 less damage with Charge Arrow at the very least. My AoEs are virtually useless, despite the fact that I have all of these skills maxed and all of my stats invested in Strength (about 185 points worth). Am I doing something wrong here? If we truly have been nerfed, are there any plans to make our class more powerful again? Or, are there any plans to nerf other classes as well? It just seems counterproductive to me, if we are supposed to be leveling on monsters in the DW area that have a minimum of 90k hp. What gives here?


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 01:58 PM

After the DW patch, it seems like the Ranger class received another nerfing. Maybe it is just my imagination, but I am pretty confident that I am doing 1000 less damage with Charge Arrow at the very least. My AoEs are virtually useless, despite the fact that I have all of these skills maxed and all of my stats invested in Strength (about 185 points worth). Am I doing something wrong here? If we truly have been nerfed, are there any plans to make our class more powerful again? Or, are there any plans to nerf other classes as well? It just seems counterproductive to me, if we are supposed to be leveling on monsters in the DW area that have a minimum of 90k hp. What gives here?

 

I haven't noticed any changes in damage output since DW, the DW monsters have very high defense though compared to all the other mobs.


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#79 Meirin

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 09:02 PM

Well, I have done some grinding on the DW monsters but not much. I am mostly referring other monsters that I have killed before DW en masse such as Osiris mobs. I have talked with other players in my guild, and they are saying very much the same thing. So, I know that I am not alone nor crazy on this. So, if I could ask a favor, could somebody go into Osiris to check on this? We should all know what the typical damage we did was like pre-DW. Also, it is strongly recommended and preferred if whoever tests this has the same gear and stats as they did pre-DW. Thank you!


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Posted 19 June 2014 - 04:41 AM

Well, I have done some grinding on the DW monsters but not much. I am mostly referring other monsters that I have killed before DW en masse such as Osiris mobs. I have talked with other players in my guild, and they are saying very much the same thing. So, I know that I am not alone nor crazy on this. So, if I could ask a favor, could somebody go into Osiris to check on this? We should all know what the typical damage we did was like pre-DW. Also, it is strongly recommended and preferred if whoever tests this has the same gear and stats as they did pre-DW. Thank you!

 

I just checked Osiris Mummies and I am doing exactly the same damage I have been doing for quite some time.  The night they announced DW release, my guild went in to cap our MP levels so I recall what I was doing at that point compared to current and it's the same output basically.  I have more stat points now so it's actually more damage in my case.


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#81 Meirin

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Posted 19 June 2014 - 07:01 AM

Okay. Maybe I am misunderstanding you, but you seem to be contradicting yourself. On the one hand, you said that you were getting the exact same damage on the Osiris Mummies. On the other hand, you say that you have more stats points and a higher level, which has increased your damage. The only way I can reconcile these two is by saying that they nerfed Rangers, which is why you are doing the exact same amount of damage as before DW because you have the additional stat points and levels to compensate. I, on the other hand, have not increased any of my stats, changed my gear, or leveled any more and am seeing that my attacks do not do squat worth of damage. Despite that, I have been killed multiple times because of the lag issue and the fact that Rangers' threat is apparently through the roof. I have had multiple people check on this to confirm it. So, it appears that we have both an issue with the amount of damage Rangers do as well as the disproportionate amount of threat we generate.


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Posted 19 June 2014 - 01:03 PM

I reworded it for you, I said "same" damage earlier because doing 4000 more crit damage is nearly the same to me.

 

I just checked Osiris Mummies and I am doing more damage than I have been doing for quite some time.  The night they announced DW release, my guild went in to cap our MP levels so I recall what I was doing at that point compared to current and it's the same output basically.  I have more stat points now so it's actually a bit more damage in my case.

 

Edit:  A bit more meaning - I had a +20 Osi bow with Sinister element, 27% blueseed, 29% redseed, a 8str and 9str rune and 5% shock, this was before DW and I was doing 42000 crits from stealth.  After DW, I have a +20 Osi bow with Sinister element and nothing else on the bow and I am doing 46000 crits from stealth.

 

So in comparison I am doing more damage.  I would be doing even more damage if my bow had all the old runes I took out of it.  So it does not seem like we have been nerfed in regards to PvE in my eyes.  I also have not noticed an increase in our threat levels, all tanks still easily out threat Ranger, as well as most magic classes.


Edited by flukeSG2, 19 June 2014 - 01:04 PM.

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#83 Meirin

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 07:48 AM

Fluke, to be fair, not all players are that strong. So, to those of us who are not, 4000 more crit damage means something. I do not want to start a fight or be a stick in the mud here either. I am simply reporting what I am experiencing and what other players have told me that they have been experiencing. Also, from what you are telling me, you have made a lot of adjustments to your character, which means that it is entirely possible that the changes you have made by leveling and adding stat points have outdone the loss of your runes. 

 

I can check again on the threat thing just to be sure, but I know that the damage thing is true.


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Posted 20 June 2014 - 08:04 AM

Pre and Post DW patch i do the same amount of damage on mummies, and i haven't leveled changed stats/runes or anything.


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Posted 20 June 2014 - 10:21 AM

Fluke, to be fair, not all players are that strong. So, to those of us who are not, 4000 more crit damage means something. I do not want to start a fight or be a stick in the mud here either. I am simply reporting what I am experiencing and what other players have told me that they have been experiencing. Also, from what you are telling me, you have made a lot of adjustments to your character, which means that it is entirely possible that the changes you have made by leveling and adding stat points have outdone the loss of your runes. 

 

I can check again on the threat thing just to be sure, but I know that the damage thing is true.

 

I didn't change anything from my charter the patch before our  ninja nerf I lost around 3-5k damage in PvP.


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Posted 20 June 2014 - 05:40 PM

I didn't change anything from my charter the patch before our  ninja nerf I lost around 3-5k damage in PvP.

 

I think she's just refering to PvE though.

 

Fluke, to be fair, not all players are that strong. So, to those of us who are not, 4000 more crit damage means something. I do not want to start a fight or be a stick in the mud here either. I am simply reporting what I am experiencing and what other players have told me that they have been experiencing. Also, from what you are telling me, you have made a lot of adjustments to your character, which means that it is entirely possible that the changes you have made by leveling and adding stat points have outdone the loss of your runes. 

 

I can check again on the threat thing just to be sure, but I know that the damage thing is true.

 

How strong I am compared to you has nothing to do with the issue, my damage is on par with what it should be pre-DW patch.  You are the only one I've heard mention this issue about Rangers, if you have some data to back it up that would be great to find out if there was a problem.  Like some screenshots of damage before and after.  Have you changed anything with your character lately?  New bow or runes or anything of the sort?


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Posted 20 June 2014 - 06:30 PM

I was doing 24,xxx max damage on mummies when using camouflage>charge arrow, now I only do 22,xxx. The only thing that I've changed since DW update is that I leveled up twice.


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Posted 20 June 2014 - 08:44 PM

What gear are you guys wearing?  If it's not Osiris gear, can you verify that the stats on the gear haven't changed at all?


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 10:50 AM

I do not do PvP that often. Right now, I have my Osi Bow, but I am farming for the rest of my Osi gear, which is mostly Chaos gear. :p_swt:  Unfortunately, I do not have any screenshots before DW to prove what I am saying with evidence. I have not changed my character any, including gear, levels, stat points, runes, etc.


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 02:36 PM

I do not do PvP that often. Right now, I have my Osi Bow, but I am farming for the rest of my Osi gear, which is mostly Chaos gear. :p_swt:  Unfortunately, I do not have any screenshots before DW to prove what I am saying with evidence. I have not changed my character any, including gear, levels, stat points, runes, etc.

 

Can you verify if the stats on your gears have no changed?  Maybe the gear you are wearing got nerfed some how.  I have full Osiris gear and I'm not seeing and drop offs or PvE damage reductions, it's been holding steady for me for at least a few months straight now.


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Posted 25 June 2014 - 07:49 AM

I will check into it when I have a chance. I am almost all of the way to getting all of my Osi gear though (depending on whether Artisans and Blacksmiths can craft now). So, hopefully the issue will go away for me. We shall see.


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