yeah, thats pretty accurate, at least it is after they nerf gfist.
Edited by thatfool, 04 March 2014 - 05:08 PM.
Posted 04 March 2014 - 05:04 PM
yeah, thats pretty accurate, at least it is after they nerf gfist.
Edited by thatfool, 04 March 2014 - 05:08 PM.
Posted 04 March 2014 - 05:07 PM
I main a Sura...my second char is a Gen. I love both and I plan to MvP with both. I've seen videos where Sura's can MvP w/o GFist (though I admit they're doing instances so there's really no competition for the MvP)
And I agree...kRO has iRO in some sort of limbo...if they like an idea iRO pitched to them, it might take a long time to even have it implemented here. I'd say try to do your best with what you've got.
And...as a total stranger to whatever feud you have with whatever guild/player...you don't need to call it out in your thread D[][][]...it only derails it and makes you look unproffessional.
I apologize.
Posted 04 March 2014 - 05:12 PM
dam you d111 always creating drama you should just delete your accounts make the ro world a better place sheesh
come on people get over yourself he is a person just like us and dont need to be flamed every time he tries to post anything this is meant to bring to light an issue not about anything else but that.
char that need to be nerft
sura
sorc
rk
gx
meastro
wounderer
wl
ranger
mechanic
arch bishop
rg
gen
sc
kagerou
super novice
Posted 04 March 2014 - 05:12 PM
I main a Sura...my second char is a Gen. I love both and I plan to MvP with both. I've seen videos where Sura's can MvP w/o GFist (though I admit they're doing instances so there's really no competition for the MvP)
And I agree...kRO has iRO in some sort of limbo...if they like an idea iRO pitched to them, it might take a long time to even have it implemented here. I'd say try to do your best with what you've got.
And...as a total stranger to whatever feud you have with whatever guild/player...you don't need to call it out in your thread D[][][]...it only derails it and makes you look unproffessional.
Ah.. Don't bother. He/She's a kid. Always a drama queen.
Edited by Weazy15, 04 March 2014 - 05:13 PM.
Posted 04 March 2014 - 05:13 PM
yeah, thats pretty accurate, at least it is after they nerf gfist.
Posted 04 March 2014 - 05:15 PM
buff wanderer mvp tia
buff wanderer, but nope, gene will still come in and take the mvp.
Posted 04 March 2014 - 05:19 PM
Posted 04 March 2014 - 05:20 PM
Ah.. Don't bother. He/She's a kid. Always a drama queen.
Half the threads I make are avocation for others who do not want to make the thread out of fear of retaliation by such a cruel community.
I could care less about the drama, but I am not going to back down from it.
Also being a well known guild leader adds to the fire.
Again I am sorry for being who I am, but again you don't see me editing every post I make,
trying to make myself sound smarter than I am. I post something and stick with it.
Posted 04 March 2014 - 05:21 PM
not really, i used to be able to use gfist freely.
Posted 04 March 2014 - 05:22 PM
not really, i used to be able to use gfist freely.
Posted 04 March 2014 - 05:25 PM
The thread is not about WOE it is about about PVM.
Posted 04 March 2014 - 05:26 PM
Please remove G-Fist Cooldown in PVM.
If you wish to keep it in War of Emperium that is fine.
But the Berry/Seed cooldown plus the G-Fist cooldown is just too much.
Sura is ultra handicapped in MVPing due to this.
(I would love to see it removed completely)
Thank you
Refer to first post please.
Posted 04 March 2014 - 05:27 PM
when did editing a post become such a crime l0l
yea suras definitely need a buff, like make g fist hit x2 harder so they can have the same dps as a gene, or something. i mean they can't even out comp my ab when killing randgris!
what a shame.
Posted 04 March 2014 - 05:36 PM
how bout fixing dragon breath on a rk .
Sura can hit insta cast with out other chars buffing it
gen can do the same
RK needs strings lower db cast delay a bit
Posted 04 March 2014 - 05:40 PM
how bout fixing dragon breath on a rk .
Sura can hit insta cast with out other chars buffing it
gen can do the same
RK needs strings lower db cast delay a bit
but rk was never comparable to sura or gene..... the way it used to be, whoever find mvp first, they(gene or sura) usually get it.
nowadays, its genes competing among genes. everyone else is out of the picture. this is assuming that all mvps are camped, because if no one is on the map, even a wanderer can kill an mvp given enough time.
Edited by thatfool, 04 March 2014 - 05:43 PM.
Posted 04 March 2014 - 05:44 PM
but rk was never comparable to sura or gene..... the way it used to be, whoever find mvp first, they(gene or sura) usually get it.
nowadays, its genes competing among genes
im not comparing the way they used to compare it. What im saying is the fact that the can easily hit insta cast on their most powerful skills. Unlike for a RK its becoming more and more common to say if u want to get even and inkling close to insta cast u must have a string slave. Sorry some of us cant deal with carrying a slave. Not saying make it insta cast but at least lower that dam cast delay a bit >.<
Posted 04 March 2014 - 05:57 PM
the gene example is a way to show the inequality between classes. pick ur poison, nerf gene or unerf gfist.
in pvp, if one class cant kill, he/she can help with other other stuff.(ab cant kill either, so what?)
but in mvp map, u are categorized as useless if u cant compete for the mvp. i know there are other classes that cant kill mvps, but its just weird that genes are so far ahead of all other classes.
a lot of people will be surprised, but here we go......
Ragnarok only reward the person that kills the monster the fastest.
Edited by thatfool, 04 March 2014 - 06:01 PM.
Posted 04 March 2014 - 06:10 PM
Everyone wants to kill in PVP/WOE NA gaming at its finest
Edited by Baturiano, 04 March 2014 - 06:10 PM.
Posted 04 March 2014 - 06:56 PM
If you want to go the "other classes can't mvp route..."
Warlocks, Can mvp a bit, if you really want to give them the ability to MVP decently give their tetra the ability to be made ghost, holy and shadow... Unless you have Comet you can even hurt higher holy and shadow monsters
Rangers, um... ive seen a ranger solo stormy knight.... so yeah w/e rangers can't mvp my ass
RK, Seen a rk solo dark lord with DB, again can't do it my ass
so yeah if you buffed some other classes then sure it would be fair wouldn't it? I would love a buff to warlock for more mvping since i like to mvp on him, i have a gen of which i mvp as a hybird brewer/mvper its fun, havent tried on ranger, sura or others yet as their arent leveled for it...
also doesnt sura have other skills that do alot of damage to monsters? who says they cant combo in goh's and such and finish with a fist but um anyway yeah all classes could use a good work over
Posted 04 March 2014 - 07:09 PM
even a wanderer can kill an mvp given enough time.
Posted 04 March 2014 - 07:34 PM
If you want to go the "other classes can't mvp route..."
Warlocks, Can mvp a bit, if you really want to give them the ability to MVP decently give their tetra the ability to be made ghost, holy and shadow... Unless you have Comet you can even hurt higher holy and shadow monsters
Rangers, um... ive seen a ranger solo stormy knight.... so yeah w/e rangers can't mvp my ass
RK, Seen a rk solo dark lord with DB, again can't do it my ass
so yeah if you buffed some other classes then sure it would be fair wouldn't it? I would love a buff to warlock for more mvping since i like to mvp on him, i have a gen of which i mvp as a hybird brewer/mvper its fun, havent tried on ranger, sura or others yet as their arent leveled for it...
also doesnt sura have other skills that do alot of damage to monsters? who says they cant combo in goh's and such and finish with a fist but um anyway yeah all classes could use a good work over
Im one of the RK that can solo Dark lord so i can vouch for that. But thats not the issue im saying all i ask is to lessen the cast delay a bit is all not asking for more damage im fine with the damage not asking for insta cast either just for a little less of after cast delay
Posted 04 March 2014 - 08:02 PM
Sharing my own experience:
I only have a sura for MVP'ing. I had a lot of competitions vs. a gene. Usually when the MVP spawns, I get to cast g'fist first, but can't one-shot the MVP because I'm no rich person here in iRO and I only get to deal 500k at best. I usually check to see that the gene I'm battling against has gears of nearly the same worth (just +9RTE, etc. vs. my +12 carga). What the gene may do is that he waits for me to die/teleport. If either of these happens, he gets the MVP. Alternatively, when he chooses to out-DPS me, he still surely gets the drops (I blame the Homun. AI ---> this makes the homunculus attack fast enough on the MVP just as it spawns, while I'm still casting my g'fist, hence taking the loot priority), and most likely also the MVP drop.
So, I do agree that at least the SP regen should be retained after casting g'fist, to at least make the Sura snap after a g'fist and/or prepare buffs.
Posted 04 March 2014 - 08:25 PM
You guys are missing the point.
Its not about MVP/PVP/WOE or Gene vs Suras vs the World
Its about kRO -_-ing up the game and making less fun for the players.
I personally dont play a sura but i do understand that the SP Cooldown is a half-assed attempt to "Balance" the skill and removing it would change almost nothing in PVM.
Posted 04 March 2014 - 08:25 PM
You guys are missing the point.
Its not about MVP/PVP/WOE or Gene vs Suras vs the World
Its about kRO -_-ing up the game and making less fun for the players.
I personally dont play a sura but i do understand that the SP Cooldown is a half-assed attempt to "Balance" the skill and removing it would change almost nothing in PVM.
indeed.
Posted 04 March 2014 - 11:28 PM
Really ? This thread reached 8 pages ?
........ This video was back on ymir with crappy gears compared to these days (may 2011). Now with average gears and a bryn you can reach 850-900k gfist easily... (back in 2011 there were no turkey, no enhanced variants, no hbp, no faw, no sura gauntlet, no safe to 10 and so on and so forth...)
Edited by meditation, 04 March 2014 - 11:32 PM.
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