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[DarkDan]

The guys that farm Stormy Knight are alright guys. I have talked to them. I have beat them to Stormy a few times. It is a Sura/Gen combo. Don't think they have convex. 

[Zander]

I wouldnt mind if they buff mvps hp again. Since some people are able to kill it way too fast. Mvps shouldnt really die too easilly even if it favors me. So yah

[Tofu]

Okay, then the numbers people are throwing out, with MVPs being found and executed within 20-30 seconds of when they spawn is fully explained by someone with a convex mirror (so they get the exact spawn location), flywings, and speedpots. 

 

 

 

 

Methinks the GMs need to buff SM big time, though, if he's dying so fast.

Did he get issued the wrong weapon? Maybe he got the box labeled "Claus, Santa" instead of "Claws, Satan", and he's been spending all his time bludgeoning adventurers with a fat bearded dude, instead of eviscerating them with razor sharp claws

 

Morroc should get its vit reduced to ktullanux range. Right now, it dies before it even gets the chance to earthquake.

[ilovemilk]

People wouldn't be complaining about dumb stuff like this if we have new kRO updates.

[CharAznable]

[MintRoyale]

People wouldn't be complaining about dumb stuff like this if we have new kRO updateI

 

It aint dumb if its cheating

 

And later on if we get SM mvp card you'd see even more rage cos of these behaviour. i hope you get your mvp card taken one day from you from cheaters if you disagree.

 

cheating on mvps is worse than botting

 

so far no comments from campitor or oda, why?

[AlmrOfAtlas]

It aint dumb if its cheating

 

And later on if we get SM mvp card you'd see even more rage cos of these behaviour. i hope you get your mvp card taken one day from you from cheaters if you disagree.

 

cheating on mvps is worse than botting

 

so far no comments from campitor or oda, why?

 

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Unless the MVP spawns in a set place like Amon Ra it is impossible to know where the MVP will spawn before they spawn as mvp spawn locations are not determined until they spawn.

 

[Viri]

Back on chaos prerenewal our party had a champ that would icewall fist morroc then autospam flywings until it landed on screen of morroc again. He would tele like 10x a second and always stop perfectly onscreen within 3 seconds. Then walk back to fist. I assume its something similar.

[meditation]

The thing that is raising peoples eyebrows here is not that there are people able to vaporize MVPs that quickly, but rather that they seem to be able to GET to the MVPs that quickly. 

 

Prior to it spawning, there should be no way to know where it is. 

 

If we assume the person killing it is using mirrors to get the exact location when it spawns, he will still have to travel to that location. While the time this takes can vary, it's unlikely to be less than 10-15 seconds on average. 

 

So, can we explain these "hacks" by players using convex mirror in the minutes before it spawns, and then as soon as it spawns, spam flywings until they're sorta close and then speedpot to MVP? This probaby takes 10-20 seconds if the player doing it is aggressive.

 

If we can't explain the speed at which the MVPs are getting killed that way, and they're getting killed that fast repeatedly, that is suspicious.

 

 

Does anyone know how long it takes for people with perfect gears to kill these MVPs once they find them? That would be a useful piece of information

 

Satan Morroc is really easy to kill how someone already said. 2-3 seconds with the right gear/party probably.

 

The central point is what i underlined in your message.

 

I Tried to compete on that MVP. Someone may say "ahahaha you are too slow, learn to play better". You can't really find satan morroc on that huge map (full of aggro mobs that may slow you as well) ALWAYS, AND I SAY ALWAYS IN LIKE 2-3 SECONDS AFTER IT SPAWNED...

 

That's not luck anylonger at that point, sorry

 

Edited by meditation, 06 May 2014 - 01:05 AM.

[Memoir]

MVP hack :
Sometimes MVP spawns before the tomb disappear.

[meditation]

MVP hack :
Sometimes MVP spawns before the tomb disappear.

 

We are talking about convex mirror users. So what's your point ?

 

 

EDIT: Against Satan Morroc they can reach it in like 2-3 seconds every time.

 

I was using convex mirror as well and one time i was lucky enough to find myself at 30-40 cells from Satan Morroc after 4 wings (so like 3-4 seconds ?)... It took me then around 5 seconds to reach the position of Satan Morroc (you know, incarnations of morroc, map with not invadable spots). When i reached that position it was already dead.

 

So ????

Edited by meditation, 06 May 2014 - 03:54 AM.

[AIternis]

i hope the Gms can check the kill Logs of the Mvps

[meli]

Disable convex mirrors and fwing/gwing at SM map gg ^ - ^

[AIternis]

Disable convex mirrors +1

[AlmrOfAtlas]

Disable convex mirrors and fwing/gwing at SM map gg ^ - ^

 

That's a bit unfair to all the players who purchased Convexes with their own money, whether in zeny or from the IM.

 

Just make them account bound so they don't change hands. Oftentimes useless Merch alts hold them 

 

And no to disabling wings. Just no :v

[meli]

How is it unfair to disable it in one single map to give a chance for other players for legit competition? I'd say that's pretty fair except for one person!

 

My point is disabling convex does nothing if you know someone is using a program to spam 50 wings per second around the map. Then again people complain SM is too easy, so there's your extra challenge! find it without wings = the fastest wins, no cheat involved.

Edited by meli, 06 May 2014 - 04:38 AM.

[Havenn]

MVP hack :
Sometimes MVP spawns before the tomb disappear.

 

It's not sometimes, it's every time, and that is besides the point here lol

[Memoir]

It's not sometimes, it's every time, and that is besides the point here lol

It's not at all. If people are waiting for the tomb to disappear and then the moment it does, they find the MVP dead already, what most likely happened is that it already got killed before the tomb disappears. Happened to me more than twice. I don't know why you don't see the point when the complaint is about people finding MVP dead already when it spawns.

[ilovemilk]

How is it unfair to disable it in one single map to give a chance for other players for legit competition? I'd say that's pretty fair except for one person!

 

My point is disabling convex does nothing if you know someone is using a program to spam 50 wings per second around the map. Then again people complain SM is too easy, so there's your extra challenge! find it without wings = the fastest wins, no cheat involved.

50 wing a sec will disconnects you. Most people get disconnected with just two wings per second in TI LOL. Overall speaking, you guys are getting ahead of yourselves here. There is no such thing as a convex mirror hack that you speak of. Convex mirror box is solely server side.  Oda and Comp know this that's why they are not saying much about your theories. What we really need up in this beep is kRO updates. People won't be complaining about MVP hack or Gramps if you keep them occupied with the new updates.

Edited by ilovemilk, 06 May 2014 - 05:17 AM.

[Havenn]

There is a 3 second buffer on the tombs disappearance and the MVPs spawn, and it is for every MVP. MVP will always spawn 3 seconds before the tomb 'disappears' - the tomb changes from a solid graphic to an animated fading graphic at the time of the MVPs spawn. Due to this, if you kill the MVP during those 3 seconds, it will leave the old tomb and create a new one. OP was using mirrors, so he knew exact time of MVP spawn, the problem is people finding SM in 10-15 seconds, everytime, on such a large map. The 3 second buffer shouldn't apply as an advantage when using mirrors

[Beata]

GMs should increase Satan MvP HP and maybe do some changes in its skills/stats. Its already way too easy to down in seconds, and this should go the same for most of MvPs. Their HP in general needs to be re-scaled to accommodate the new damage boost gears/cards we keep getting from time to time. This might not stop players from automating the kills but hoping it will offer better chances to others to compete (and record any fishy action!).

Edited by Beata, 06 May 2014 - 05:17 AM.

[Memoir]

There is a 3 second buffer on the tombs disappearance and the MVPs spawn, and it is for every MVP. MVP will always spawn 3 seconds before the tomb 'disappears' - the tomb changes from a solid graphic to an animated fading graphic at the time of the MVPs spawn. Due to this, if you kill the MVP during those 3 seconds, it will leave the old tomb and create a new one. OP was using mirrors, so he knew exact time of MVP spawn, the problem is people finding SM in 10-15 seconds, everytime, on such a large map. The 3 second buffer shouldn't apply as an advantage when using mirrors

There was this one time when I was killing good old stormy knight 10 mins before the tomb disappears. Well it's more than one time.

[Beata]

There is a 3 second buffer on the tombs disappearance and the MVPs spawn, and it is for every MVP. MVP will always spawn 3 seconds before the tomb 'disappears' - the tomb changes from a solid graphic to an animated fading graphic at the time of the MVPs spawn. Due to this, if you kill the MVP during those 3 seconds, it will leave the old tomb and create a new one. OP was using mirrors, so he knew exact time of MVP spawn, the problem is people finding SM in 10-15 seconds, everytime, on such a large map. The 3 second buffer shouldn't apply as an advantage when using mirrors

 

Its not always 3 seconds from what I have experienced. I believe it varies depending on the server of the map itself.

[thatfool]

 

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welp, im sure camp wouldve say burping out mvp cards is impossible too, but... those rmt site are still burping them out.

 

its just a way to fool the public to believe unwanted behavior are impossible.

[AIternis]

Oo