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[TifaValentine]

I'll give you mods something to think about:

-see in game spamming of congratulating winners - legal

-see zeny spammers in game - no action taken

-see users making threads of congratulating only one or two times a week - Not ok(to mods)

Can you guys identify the logic here?

My post got hidden but it's basically implying the motive for the mods behind implementing a silly rule over nothing.

 

Erm...you're jumping to conclusions without knowing. Might want to wait for a CM reply if you're so worried. And uh... zeny spammers are a whole differnt thing altogether, you can always block them you know? I'm sure WP is as worried about them and trying to come up with a solution ('cause...banning one will not stop 100 more to appear -.-' ) but then again they have lots of other things t worry about the game right now, and zeny spammers are (amazingly) not one of the most important (at least to me). It does seem they're taking actions against gold buyers and similar, though.

 

You also keep assuming this decision is only made by a mod alone with 0 CM input.... Why not ask a CM about it before accusing? Why not talk to the mod? Also, why not try to see the reason behind this, instead of completely rejecting it? You can always suggest alternatives, you know. Some have done it.

 

 

So basically whats happening is we can't post winner threads because trolls will comment on them. Why not just ban the trolls?

 

Because those "trolls" have been warned several times as you could see in those threads, and they kept on trolling/flaming. Besides, I bet a lot of people would cry "omg biased!!!" if many of them were truly banned lol I do -personally- think it would be good to just ban them for once anyways. Rather than a "silly solution", this decision seems ok, but just a bandaid fix for a much bigger -and more annoying- issue.

 

Your first sentence implies that you have heard or personally know what the previous WoE Castle holders thought about threads congratulating themselves or their allies, but if I remember correctly you a fairly new to this game. Why jump to conclusions about the reason none of these threads have appeared yet? Also other game forums are other game forums. There are what? 5 people that constantly start the flame wars. If those 5 people are dealt with then there wouldn't be a problem. Also you keep contradicting yourself. First it is against the rules and forbidden and if we want to we should go to the respective guilds threads, then you make a thread for it where that is the only place you can post it(in the WOE forums where it is forbidden), then you say that if enough people agree we can make separate guild threads for congratz( in the WoE forums where it is forbidden). All but the first decision (as far as I know) were decisions you made independently without CMs input. Which is an example of why people assume said decisions are generally made without consulting the cms. Reagardless, I wonder why a decision that had to have been made prior to half-way through Sunday WoE wasn't made known before, and why a CM didn't just post it if it was a joint decision. 

 

Baddiez, Baddiez. You're just assuming more things, jumping to conclusions yourself, and fueling the fire of flames....(that sounded so metal O.o) Why make such a big fuss over....this? there's always alternatives for what you want to do, and you know it well. Wouldn't you want a nice and clean post to say "grats"to a friend guild? Or you prefer it full of flames, drama, trolls, etc? You cant expect all vmods to be constantly watching over every single woe grats thread lol; its easier to keep an eye on one/few ones imo. 

 

"All but the first decision (as far as I know) were decisions you made independently without CMs input" - You cant fully know this, though. And instead of complaining about every decision made, you could just post decent and constructive feedback and suggestions to come to an agreement for everyone. Rather than helping, you're just still beating a dead horse....=/

 

Really, I fail to understand how people think this is "forbidding" you to say grats; you can do it, just not in a way that was -sadly- proving to be highly ineffective. If I were the guild being congratulated, I'd prefer it to be clean of crap, flames and trolls.

[Baddiez]

Erm...you're jumping to conclusions without knowing. Might want to wait for a CM reply if you're so worried. And uh... zeny spammers are a whole differnt thing altogether, you can always block them you know? I'm sure WP is as worried about them and trying to come up with a solution ('cause...banning one will not stop 100 more to appear -.-' ) but then again they have lots of other things t worry about the game right now, and zeny spammers are (amazingly) not one of the most important (at least to me). It does seem they're taking actions against gold buyers and similar, though.

 

You also keep assuming this decision is only made by a mod alone with 0 CM input.... Why not ask a CM about it before accusing? Why not talk to the mod? Also, why not try to see the reason behind this, instead of completely rejecting it? You can always suggest alternatives, you know. Some have done it.

 

 

 

Because those "trolls" have been warned several times as you could see in those threads, and they kept on trolling/flaming. Besides, I bet a lot of people would cry "omg biased!!!" if many of them were truly banned lol I do -personally- think it would be good to just ban them for once anyways. Rather than a "silly solution", this decision seems ok, but just a bandaid fix for a much bigger -and more annoying- issue.

 

 

Baddiez, Baddiez. You're just assuming more things, jumping to conclusions yourself, and fueling the fire of flames....(that sounded so metal O.o) Why make such a big fuss over....this? there's always alternatives for what you want to do, and you know it well. Wouldn't you want a nice and clean post to say "grats"to a friend guild? Or you prefer it full of flames, drama, trolls, etc? You cant expect all vmods to be constantly watching over every single woe grats thread lol; its easier to keep an eye on one/few ones imo. 

 

"All but the first decision (as far as I know) were decisions you made independently without CMs input" - You cant fully know this, though. And instead of complaining about every decision made, you could just post decent and constructive feedback and suggestions to come to an agreement for everyone. Rather than helping, you're just still beating a dead horse....=/

 

Really, I fail to understand how people think this is "forbidding" you to say grats; you can do it, just not in a way that was -sadly- proving to be highly ineffective. If I were the guild being congratulated, I'd prefer it to be clean of crap, flames and trolls.

 

I'm making a big fuss over it because it is absolutely absurd that we should be deprived the ability to post a thread saying congratulations to an allied guild in a forum related to the topic merely because a few trolls are allowed to run rampant without any sort of repercussions.

 

Ofc I don't fully know it. Hence why I put "(as far as I know)" I'm sorry if my constructive feedback was very indirect. Instead of ignoring the problem(trolls,flamers) maybe use the powers you have as a mod to do something about it instead of depriving us of the ability to make a thread as a kind gesture to congratulate each other.

 

"proving to be highly ineffective." Trolls will be trolls we understand. It may have been ineffective to you for reason which I do not know, but for us it was a very effective way for us to express our happiness at our allied members acomplishments. Forbidding as in why can we not post something related to WoE in the WoE forums. Each person chooses to interpret what another writes as they want. Whether or not they understand the true reasoning behind why certain words were written or not is not the writers problem. If people are so bothered by the threads then do not read them.

Edited by Baddiez, 26 May 2014 - 01:44 PM.

[TifaValentine]

I'm making a big fuss over it because it is absolutely absurd that we should be deprived the ability to post a thread saying congratulations to an allied guild in a forum related to the topic merely because a few trolls are allowed to run rampant without any sort of repercussions.

 

Ofc I don't fully know it. Hence why I put "(as far as I know)" I'm sorry if my constructive feedback was very indirect. Instead of ignoring the problem(trolls,flamers) maybe use the powers you have as a mod to do something about it instead of depriving us of the ability to make a thread as a kind gesture to congratulate each other.

 

"proving to be highly ineffective." Trolls will be trolls we understand. It may have been ineffective to you for reason which I do not know, but for us it was a very effective way for us to express our happiness at our allied members acomplishments. Forbidding as in why can we not post something related to WoE in the WoE forums. Each person chooses to interpret what another writes as they want. Whether or not they understand the true reasoning behind why certain words were written or not is not the writers problem. If people are so bothered by the threads then do not read them.

 

You're not deprived of saying grats, which is the original intention......no? (I'd certainly hope THAT is the intention only), you just can't do it in certain way anymore. Which doesn't mean you can't do it at all. Ive already given you alternatives, but you're obssessed with only doing it certain way, which isn't even TRULY as effective. You're just used to them and refuse to try other ways. Are you sure "saying grats to an allied guild" was the only intention behind them, then? Those trolls were warned, and I'm sure they will be dealt with. Sadly, trolls are like those mobs in dayr temples...they keep respawning!! You get rid of one, and 10 more appear D:

 

Noone is ignoring the problem, theyre just taking measures to prevent future "fires" from spreading. Like I said in my previous post (which I hope you throughly read as I read yours), I believe this is simply a "bandaid fix" and obviously not a true solution to flamers running rampant. I'm hoping these "trolls" and troublesome people who seem to enjoy provoking unnecessary drama, will be banished from forums soon enough.

 

Yes, it proved ineffective, as they were constantly invaded and having to be moderated, And it wasnt always the -same- trolls, it was also other people being upset at things, at each other, accusing, blaming, posting passive-aggressive comments or pictures, or subtly trying to stirr up problems. I'm sure you noticed that too, Baddiez. Noone is denying you the chance to express happiness or congratulations to allies; this is just one of many ways to do it. Dont close yourself to other ideas, at least give them a try.

 

"If people are so bothered by the threads then do not read them"  correct me if I'm wrong but mods (and CMs) do have the responsability of keeping an eye on problematic threads, and they can't just "ignore" them. Besides, if a mod allows a thread where people argue fiercily and fling potemkin dung at each other's face... that means they'd have to allow other similar threads to remain unmoderated too, no? You can imagine the chaos that'd be....

 

 

Since we're tossing out ideas and suggestions to make everyone happy... here goes mine (take or leave, its only a suggestion mind you, so it has flaws too):

+ How about we allow such threads to be made freely, however with one limit= after thread maker is done posting, the thread will be locked by a vmod/cm/gm? That way anyone can see the grats, see which guild is woe active or not, what they did, when, how, etc.... but no other replies needed, thus also preventing trolls to contaminate it. Yes, its not perfect, I know. Others wouldn't be able to post grats in it, and it would require the player to contact a mod asap to lock it afterwards.... but it would serve its original purpose still (those which you mentioned, Baddiez) and remain plague-free!

[Baddiez]

You're not deprived of saying grats, which is the original intention......no? (I'd certainly hope THAT is the intention only), you just can't do it in certain way anymore. Which doesn't mean you can't do it at all. Ive already given you alternatives, but you're obssessed with only doing it certain way, which isn't even TRULY as effective. You're just used to them and refuse to try other ways. Are you sure "saying grats to an allied guild" was the only intention behind them, then? Those trolls were warned, and I'm sure they will be dealt with. Sadly, trolls are like those mobs in dayr temples...they keep respawning!! You get rid of one, and 10 more appear D:

 

Noone is ignoring the problem, theyre just taking measures to prevent future "fires" from spreading. Like I said in my previous post (which I hope you throughly read as I read yours), I believe this is simply a "bandaid fix" and obviously not a true solution to flamers running rampant. I'm hoping these "trolls" and troublesome people who seem to enjoy provoking unnecessary drama, will be banished from forums soon enough.

 

Yes, it proved ineffective, as they were constantly invaded and having to be moderated, And it wasnt always the -same- trolls, it was also other people being upset at things, at each other, accusing, blaming, posting passive-aggressive comments or pictures, or subtly trying to stirr up problems. I'm sure you noticed that too, Baddiez. Noone is denying you the chance to express happiness or congratulations to allies; this is just one of many ways to do it. Dont close yourself to other ideas, at least give them a try.

 

"If people are so bothered by the threads then do not read them"  correct me if I'm wrong but mods (and CMs) do have the responsability of keeping an eye on problematic threads, and they can't just "ignore" them. Besides, if a mod allows a thread where people argue fiercily and fling potemkin dung at each other's face... that means they'd have to allow other similar threads to remain unmoderated too, no? You can imagine the chaos that'd be....

 

 

Since we're tossing out ideas and suggestions to make everyone happy... here goes mine (take or leave, its only a suggestion mind you, so it has flaws too):

+ How about we allow such threads to be made freely, however with one limit= after thread maker is done posting, the thread will be locked by a vmod/cm/gm? That way anyone can see the grats, see which guild is woe active or not, what they did, when, how, etc.... but no other replies needed, thus also preventing trolls to contaminate it. Yes, its not perfect, I know. Others wouldn't be able to post grats in it, and it would require the player to contact a mod asap to lock it afterwards.... but it would serve its original purpose still (those which you mentioned, Baddiez) and remain plague-free!

 

So to clarify since you seem to be implying that they were made otherwise. The threads were made for the purpose of congratulating the winning guilds and promoting recruitment as I have said countless times already. By the threads I mean the ones I made and I think the ones JeremiahVII made the first couple made by fresh new forums accounts I ASSUME were either trolls or people who figured all of this drama would come from making the threads and just wanted to get their congratz out without exposing their name. It was brought to my attention that certain individuals in the game had actually IP checked the thread posters and compared them with currently active Ro2 Forums posters and revealed that it was someone from within the alliance, but noone has come forth yet so I can't really speak as to why they were made aside from giving my personal assumption. Also, the same trolls are the ones that are generally flaming the threads. Yes, more will appear, but I assumed that is why we had vmods. To moderate and take care of said things, but sadly it seems that noone is being punished aside from a slap on the wrist.

 

I thought you meant ineffective for recruiting. Hence why I wrote what I wrote. If you meant ineffective for moderation then well... as I've said many times and will say again if the trolls had been dealt with this would not be happening. Also please your suggestions are cool and all, but I used to be one of those people searching for a WoE guild I know how tedious and annoying it is to go through each guild and try to find information about them. The threads provide for an easier way to figure out who exactly is WoE'ing and who is winning(which some people care about when they choose what guild to join). The goal was to have one thread for each winning guild, but as we saw with the last thursday WoE one thread got hidden, then I made another which was supposed to be locked, but then others felt the desire to say congratz also and another was made. 4 Threads is not a lot, and even if you took every guild that has won WoE since the new 1.5 came out that would only be 5(aside from Ice which from what I understand is an alt guild now)

 

I wasn't referring to the CMs and mods when I said don't read them. I was referring to the individuals that feel our threads are subtle blows at them or just our way of flaunting our victory. 

 

Your suggestion is nice, but then essentially you are limiting it to where only one person can congratulate the guild because certain individuals are allowed to flame/troll repercussion free.(yes verbal warnings have been issued I know.)

Incase my point is still not clear. IF THE FLAMERS/TROLLERS WOULD BE DEALT WITH THIS WOULD NOT HAVE EVER BECAME SUCH A BIG DEAL.

Edited by Baddiez, 26 May 2014 - 05:50 PM.

[Hikarii18]

you guys are still at this? lol

[TifaValentine]

Its only a temporary fix as i said, i agree that trolls and flamers have to be dealt with (watch them qq later calling it bias too lol so sad) but until thats done this is a way to prevent illmannered players from making or using those threads with bad intentions. My idea would cover your concerns (see which guild is woe active, who did what and when, say gratz) annd still keep it clean. Anyone else can say gratz somewhere else. Sure its not fair for everyone, but it can work until trolls are banished. This doesnt have to be a permanent solution tbh. See it maybe this way?
I wont add my own opinion to other things you said because im sure we can discuss those out of forum =)

(I need to stop posting from my phone...)

[TifaValentine]

Apparently i have no edit option when i see forums on my phone; ill fix it later when at home. Anyways my last post was at Baddiez, forgot to mention D:

[foxxxtrot]

i believe in every part of the world there is a HUMAN RIGHTS they call

 

FREEDOM OF SPEECH

whether you are against or for, everyone is entitled to express their ideas/opinions in this case "a congratulatory pat in the back"
i don't know about you guys, but when i read the posts, i only get even more frustrated.
THIS REPLY IS LATE.... I KNOW,
i just felt i have to say it ^_^
 

[Lanie]

i believe in every part of the world there is a HUMAN RIGHTS they call
 
FREEDOM OF SPEECH

Actually, no. It's something that is trying to be encouraged world wide... but... has not actually occurred yet.

I actually believe Korea is one of the places this does not yet apply.

[Baddiez]

Actually, no. It's something that is trying to be encouraged world wide... but... has not actually occurred yet.

I actually believe Korea is one of the places this does not yet apply.

 

LOL

[jdmtouch]

Actually, no. It's something that is trying to be encouraged world wide... but... has not actually occurred yet.

I actually believe Korea is one of the places this does not yet apply.

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