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[yabusame]

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*****************************Project PVP Savage*****************************

*****************************by Unown*****************************

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Index:
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1.) Introduction
2.) Stat Building
**2a.) Soul Craft Building
3.) Skills
**3a.) Thief skills
**3b.) Bandit Skills
**3c.) Rogue skills
**3d.) Savage skills
4.) Equipment
**4a.) Set reccomendation
5.) PVP Tips and Tricks
6.) FAQs




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*****************************:Introduction:*****************************
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Welcome to my Guide. Feel free to stop reading this if your not intrested in pvp.
Thats it for the Intro.


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*****************************:Stat Building:*****************************
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Hlt = Health
Agi = Agility
Int = Intelligence
Str = Strength


Hlt > Agi > Int > Str


Health is a must if you want to survive more than 2 combos in pvp.

Agility is good, It can also be easily stacked. With the level 61 and level 67 along with some cash
gears you can easily obtain 150+ evade.

Intelligence is useless as we already have
A decent mana pool.

Strength Is literally useless just as it is for all other classes.

Any stat points you earn from levels 61-65 will go into either HLT, or AGI depending
on if you want a mix, or full HLT/AGI build.




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*****************************:Soul Craft Building:*****************************
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Hlt > Agi > Int > Str.

Aim Rate on Back piece, Rings, Belt, Necklace, and Earrings.

Aim Rate is just as important as health in pvp. The minimum aim you should have during any
pvp battle should be at least 170 Aim rate if you plan to group pvp.

During a 1v1 match, you can change your Aim Rate accordingly to whatever class you play
against.(ie. Less Aim Rate vs Warrior classes, More for Archer class)



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*****************************:Skills:*****************************
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Welcome to the heart of the guide where many of you will spend MOST of your time reading.

These are all my opinions based on my experience as to what skills I think
are important and useful.


Layout:

[Skill Name] [Level of skill]

{skill description}

(Description of Importance)



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-Thief Skills-
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[Air Combo Launch] [1/5]
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Launches enemies into air.


Won't ever be used unless for messing around.

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[Aerial Frenzy] [1/5]
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Airborne Spin attack that damages enemies.


Any higher than level one, it becomes a waste of skill points.

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[Somersault Kick] [0/5]
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somersault kick, launches enemies.


Useless.

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[Cutdown] [3/5]
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After jumping, slash claws downwards. launches enemies.


level three for knock up. Useful in certain situations, and surprise attacks
like air dashing then using cutdown.


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[Rocket Punch] [5/5]
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Fire a Rocket propelled Punch Glove. Causes stun status.


For stun. If you can, get this skill to level Ten as the chance to stun is 95%.
(requires +skill point item from daily hunter quest for level 10)

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[Nozzle Tuning] [0/5]
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increases attack power of Rocket Punch.


waste of skill points.

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[Relaunch] [0/5]
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Launch enemies on the ground.


same as above

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[Double Attack] [0/5]
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Chance to attack twice in 2nd and 4th attack.


same as above

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[Venom] [0/5]
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Releases cloud of poison gas. Causes poison status.


same as above

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[Vitality] [0/5]
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Increases HLT


same as above, unless your going evade/agi build then it needs to be level one as
its a prerequest skill for dexterity.

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[Dexterity] [0/5]
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Increases AGI


In my opinion, leave this at 0 unless your going evade/agi build, in that case
get this skill to level ten if possible.(requires +skill point item from daily hunter quest for level 10)


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-Bandit Skills-
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[Exit] [1/5]
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Hide in a box and escape.


You don't need this higher than level one, anymore and your wasting points.


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[Burrow] [1/5]
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Burrow Underground.


Useful for dodging attacks, use wisely as cooldown time is 20 secs. Any higher than
level one and your wasting points as it only decreases mp consumption.



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[Rolling Stinger] [1/5]
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Emit electricity to attack nearby enemies.


Useless as any class can easily escape it with the right skill, keep at level One.



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[Final Decision] [5/5]
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Spin like a top, Damages Standing enemies only.


Most useful skill in the entire skill list for bandits. Also one of the most
strongest skills you can get in the entire class branch.



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[Upper Screw Driver] [5/5]
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Dragon upper cut attack. Launches enemies.


Max level for extra damage, you can however keep it at level four if you want
to save skill points.



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[Claw Mastery ] [0/5]
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Increases Attack


You don't need this skill, upgrading your weapon will suffice.



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[ESP] [5/5]
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Increase Dodge rate


Higher level increases Duration. With motion capture, you reduce damage along with getting evade.


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[Motion Capture] [5/5]
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Increases Dodge Rate and Decreases damage while ESP is in effect.



Must have skill whether or not you stack evade, 10% damage reduction helps massively.



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[Hyper Strength] [0/5]
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Increases STR


Useless.


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[Intelligence] [0/5]
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Increases INT


Useless.


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-Rogue Skills-
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[Moonwalk] [1/1]
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Moonwalks away in Invincibility status.


Prerequest for the main branch skills. Useful as another burrow button.



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[Mega Drill Drive] [0/5]
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Take out a drill and do a dash attack.


Useless.


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[Chain Hurricane Kick] [0/5]
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Spin kick enemies.


Useless


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[Heavy Smash] [0/5]
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Increases power of Chain hurricane kick.


Useless


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[Windmill] [3/5]
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Spinning attack.


Leave at level three unless you want extra damage.



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[Seven] [1/5]
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Knocks up enemies, can only be casted in
windmill status.



Leave at level one. Will hardly be used at all if ever.



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[Aerial Kick] [3/5]
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Kick that causes Burst damage, Knocks up enemies.


Leave it at Three for maximuim height knock up, max it if you want extra damage.



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[Stance] [5/5]
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Increases Attack, and Defence.


Alot of people say this skill sucks, In my opinion, its extremely useful as it provides
extra Physical defence per level. I personally will take any chance I can get to reduce
damage.



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[Sonic Boom] [1/5]
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Throw a boomerang.



Laughable skill, you won't EVER use it. Keep it at level one its a prerequest.




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[Judge Dread] [2/5]
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Sonic Wave attack in mid-air, knocks enemies to the floor.


Decent, can be used as a finisher in combos. Keep at level two, its a Prerequest.



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[Cossack Dance] [3/5]
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Summons a nut cracker Attacks enemies in a straight line.



Our only useful long range skill as a Rogue, Max if you want extra damage.



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[Provoke] [5/5]
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Hyper super sonic Voice Attack. Causes AOE Stun Status.


Another Rocket Punch, with the exception that its cancelable. Max it for highest stun
chance.




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-Savage Skills-
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[Claw Grappling] [5/5]
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Throw a Claw and drag enemies toward you. Causes Stun Status.


The best Long range Skill in the whole class branch. Max it for lower cooldown.



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[Awakening] [1/1]
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Needed for awakening skills.


you just need it, nuff said.


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[Demon Scream] [5/5]
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Awakening Skill, Summons a Demon to scream at the enemy...
Causes Stun Status.


Max it, does very good damage, and causes stun.



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[Demon Puppetry] [0/5]
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Evil spirit controls your body, Do 14 hit combo.
Launches, and causes Stun Status.


Leave it at Zero. Useless.



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[Crazy Soul] [5/5]
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30% for chance super armor status everytime your attacked.



Need this for pvp to work for our Class again.


Without Further Ado, heres my Build.

http://image-storage...551235515005000

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Information about set pieces.
Post details on any of the set effects, and I'll update this section along with giving you credit.

(Note: Found alot of this stuff on IAH)


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-Light Sets-
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Level 10
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Vegabond F1-F4: Gloves, Shoes, Shoulders, Legs, Chest, Helm

Tutu F1-F4: Gloves, Shoulders, Chest

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Level 20
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Toto F1-F4: Gloves, Shoes, Shoulders, Legs, Chest, Helm

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Level 27
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Hookah F1-F4: Gloves, Shoes, Shoulders, Helm, Chest, Legs

Alvida F1-F4: Gloves, Shoes, Shoulders, Helm, Chest

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Level 34
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Artis F1-F4: Gloves, Shoes, Shoulder, Legs, Helm, Chest

Nightlord F1-F4: Glove, Shoes, Shoulders, Legs, Helm, Chest

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Level 40
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Ahtoo F1-F4: Glove, Shoes, Shoulders, Legs, Helm, Chest

Ahtoo F6: Glove, Boots, Shoulders, Legs, Chest

Sambaba F1-F4 : Glove, Shoes, Shoulders, Legs, Helm, Chest

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Level 47
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Belkka F1-F4: Shoes, Legs, Helm, Chest

Elluman F1-F4: Boots, Legs, Shoulder, Helm, Chest

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Level 54
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Elluman F1-F4: Boots, Legs, Helm, Chest

Karkarous F1-F4: Gloves, Shoulders, Legs, Helm

Bubo F1-F4: Gloves, Shoulders, Legs, Helm

Burlune F1-F4: Gloves, Shoulders, Legs, Helm, Chest

Pythanous F1-F4: Gloves, Shoes, Shoulders, Legs, Helm, Chest

Pythanous F6: Gloves, Shoulders, Chest

Arca F1-F4: Gloves, Shoes, Shoulders, Legs, Helm, Chest

Arca F6: Gloves, Shoes, Shoulders, Legs, Helm, Chest

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Level 61
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Van Cliff: Bone Dragon Room 25

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-Dark Sets-
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Level 20 Chaos
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Chaos Vegabond: Gloves, Shoes, Shoulders, Chest


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Level 27 Chaos
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Chaos Vega: Shoulders, Legs, Helm, Chest

Chaos Tutu: Shoes, Shoulders, Legs


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Level 34 Chaos
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Chaos Hookah: Gloves, Shoes, Shoulders, Legs, Helm, Chest


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Level 40 Chaos
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Chaos Hookah: Gloves, Shoes, Shoulders, Legs, Helm, Chest

Chaos Alvida: Gloves, Shoes, Shoulders, Legs, Helm, Chest

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Level 47 Chaos
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Chaos Alvida: Gloves, Shoes, Shoulders, Legs, Helm, Chest

Chaos Night Lord: Shoulders, Leggings, Helm, Chest

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Level 54 Chaos
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Chaos Sambaba: Gloves, Shoes, Shoulders, Helm, Chest

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Level 61 Chaos
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Chaos Belkka: Gloves, Shoes, Shoulders, Legs, Helm, Chest

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Level 67 Chaos
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Chaos Elluman: Gloves, Shoes, Shoulders, Legs, Helm, Chest

Chaos Karkarous: Gloves, Shoes, Shoulders, Legs, Helm


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-Special Sets-
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Level 40 Glorious
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Obtained by gaining CP Through Ranked PVP, Talk to your class npc in Port Of Winds, and Select "CP Store"

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Level 50 Glorious
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Obtained by gaining CP Through Ranked PVP, Talk to your class npc in Port Of Winds, and Select "CP Store"


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Level 57 Glorious
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Obtained by gaining CP Through Ranked PVP, Talk to your class npc in Port Of Winds, and Select "CP Store"


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Level 60 Undead Bone
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Can be collected by running vancliff, Shows up as a recipe you can make while running a mission map.

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[Equip Bonus]
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[2 Piece Set Effect: HP +1000]
[3 Piece Set Effect: Move +25%]
[5 Piece Set Effect: Agi +45]
[6 Piece Set Effect: Crit Dam +90%]





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*AGI/EVADE*
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Chaotic Shine Fever Set [3 Piece Set]
Lv. Req: 61

2 Piece Set Effect: AGI+43
3 Piece Set Effect: Evade Rate +14

Chaotic Turancra Set[3 Piece Set]
Lv. Req: 67
2 Piece Set Effect: AGI+46
3 Piece Set Effect: Evade Rate +16

If your dead set on going for a full Agi/Evade build, then you must have the Thief Skill "Dexterity" maxed out or level 10 if you can.

Soul Craft Armor pieces with agility, and set your stat points you gain from levels 61+
all into agility.

Stack some Evade/Agi accessories, along with aim and you can easily achieve over 150 evade. It's preffered if you get aim first, then Soul Craft Agi/Evade later.


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*HLT+AIM*
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Update Coming Soon...


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*Critical Damage*
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Undead Bone Rogue Set [Full Set]
Lv. Req: 60

2 Piece Set Effect: HP +1000
3 Piece Set Effect: Move +25%
5 Piece Set Effect: Agi +45
6 Piece Set Effect: Crit Dam +90%

A Critical Damage weapon is a must for this build. Stack as much aim as possible if you go this route,
criticals can only happen as long as you're able to hit your opponent.

As for the armor pieces, you can go either Agility, or Health. Agility if you want more criticals/aim, or Health if you want to tank hits. All stat points you earn from lv 61+ will go into either agility for higher critical chance, or health for more hp.

If your willing to spend money, definitely invest in an Item Mall critial damage weapon, critial damage back, and a shoulder piece that adds 15% critical damage which is easily another 50-60% total.

Soul Crafting Critical Damage on any Aim accessories(back, belt, rings, earrings, necklace) should be done last as it can be costy to Soul Craft as you would need to buy souls(or farm, whichever you prefer), soul reducers, or soul randomizers.

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*****************************:PVP Tips & Tricks:*****************************
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As new updates come, our respective class has became ever more useless. To cope with these changes, I've decided to come up with new strategies. Enjoy.















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*****************************:FAQ:*****************************
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Welcome to the Frequently Asked Questions Section. PM me any questions you have,
I'll Post it here with an answer to the best of My Knowledge.

Edited by yabusame, 25 November 2010 - 08:54 AM.

[yabusame]

Share your Rogue Vs. [insert class name here] Videos, I'll save a Link below.

Edited by yabusame, 08 November 2010 - 10:45 PM.

[Kazra]

Uh oh, guess I don't need to finish mine :(

[yabusame]

Uh oh, guess I don't need to finish mine :(

you can still finish your guide, It'll probably look better than mine since I'm half-assing it.

[Yurai]

Even level 50's can achieve 230+ aim and 130+ evade now.

[yabusame]

Completely forgot about the new cash set outfits along with the higher level sets. Updated.

[Yurai]

Completely forgot about the new cash set outfits along with the higher level sets. Updated.

I was hinting at upping the recommended aim.

[Tundra]

This is a very helpful guide! Now all it needs it a link to a guide that shows the set pieces (as in; shows what they add for the set options) and then it's perfect~

[yabusame]

I was hinting at upping the recommended aim.

Already took that into consideration. Most rogues will probably be casual players, not hardcore IM point, or gold spenders(aka hardcore pvpers); Aim set, rings, belt, earrings, necklace, back, and weapon would only grant you about 190 aim rate. Of course this is excluding IM sets and massive agility stacking.

Also, I highly doubt you'd need 200+ aim to hit warrior/mage class characters in group pvp. I don't
think any Rogue would be stupid enough to try and take on a PF, or Ninja as they can just aas spam, or sleep you.

Thanks for your feedback though.

Edited by yabusame, 08 November 2010 - 11:12 PM.

[Furious]

One thing you forget to mention is positioning is nearly top priority for a harle.

We're also a reactive class - there were plenty of moves you could have easily dodged/avoided in the video you showed.
Although the points you made in the vid were very valid and I applaud you for it - some of them were poorly executed. Yes it is situational but you do want to get into the habit of getting cleaner 100% win hits instead of "trading off" blows against say... a PF.

OT: Good job.

Edited by Furious, 10 November 2010 - 12:49 PM.

[Yurai]

I would like to know why that ninja is so bad as to roll into the direction you dash in when it's already obvious that you are dashing in that direction. Also, it's possible to get out by simply burrowing. It doesn't really work against any class with movespeed, either.

[Kazra]

I would like to know why that ninja is so bad as to roll into the direction you dash in when it's already obvious that you are dashing in that direction. Also, it's possible to get out by simply burrowing. It doesn't really work against any class with movespeed, either.

^

However, if you're playing against a class with no MSPD, you can just wait till you see where they roll, and dash over to FD. Ninjas might only get hit by part of it due to swift, but you can easily roll and RP or USD.


And I honestly wouldn't trade off blows with any archer class using level 5 RP... not until we get crazy soul. FD would be nice, since you can just AR without any direction and USD immediately upon landing.

Oh and I have pretty terrible gears atm at level 58, and I have easily 220 aim without a backpiece, and without vries wings/immo gloves.

[yabusame]

One thing you forget to mention is positioning is nearly top priority for a harle.

We're also a reactive class - there were plenty of moves you could have easily dodged/avoided in the video you showed.
Although the points you made in the vid were very valid and I applaud you for it - some of them were poorly executed.

I would like to know why that ninja is so bad as to roll into the direction you dash in when it's already obvious that you are dashing in that direction. Also, it's possible to get out by simply burrowing. It doesn't really work against any class with movespeed, either.

You guys do realize these were casual matches right? I wouldn't use dark set for real matches, I'd be using Bone set along with my LO. I'm also pretty sure that ninja didn't go all out just because rogues were nerfed pretty badly, post 4th job patch.

Oh and I have pretty terrible gears atm at level 58, and I have easily 220 aim without a backpiece, and without vries wings/immo gloves.

My lvl 65 Rogue barely reaches 194 aim with dark set, aim weapon, skeleton bandage, aim back(9.8%), x2 aim rings, aim necklace, aim earrings, and an aim belt. All of which have 6% or 7% aim. Then again I am using a HLT build...

I can probably guess your exact equipment gear along with your cash equips, But to save me some time. Your probably stacking full agility with every piece of armor you have including cash gears, aim cash weap, and loot ballon. Not to mention that 7% agi bonus for water/fire guardian set is pretty OP since they already add +10 agi/hlt for almost every piece.

Yes it is situational but you do want to get into the habit of getting cleaner 100% win hits instead of "trading off" blows against say... a PF.

And I honestly wouldn't trade off blows with any archer class using level 5 RP... not until we get crazy soul. FD would be nice, since you can just AR without any direction and USD immediately upon landing.

That video was made in anticipation for 4th job(hence why you'd WANT to trade blows with crazy soul) if you guys didn't catch on. You'll hardly get any chances for clean hits against a good PF especially if they know good trap placement and have super high movespeed.

Edited by yabusame, 11 November 2010 - 09:49 AM.

[SharpEye]

^

However, if you're playing against a class with no MSPD, you can just wait till you see where they roll, and dash over to FD. Ninjas might only get hit by part of it due to swift, but you can easily roll and RP or USD.


And I honestly wouldn't trade off blows with any archer class using level 5 RP... not until we get crazy soul. FD would be nice, since you can just AR without any direction and USD immediately upon landing.

Oh and I have pretty terrible gears atm at level 58, and I have easily 220 aim without a backpiece, and without vries wings/immo gloves.

Give me back my wep when you hit 65, I'm gonna use it to get some sigils >.<

@Unown, consider including the CP sets whenever you get the stats for them, iirc they give avi/evade%, evade% being double the +evade of the equivalent dark set piece.

[Kazra]

okok give me a couple days.


most of my armor pieces have health lol. immo/vries just adds too much to those stats.

[Wobinar]

Very helpful guide
now I want to use my harle to pvp :3