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[HarkonSlayer]

Okay, so I just played yesterday and now level 23 via questing. I have read some thread that you need to grind up to 50 in duengeons before doing the Quests and Kharas. The question is WHY?

 

Does leveling in Master class different in normal class (mage/wizard)?

 

And how does Master Class level up? Does EXP reward in each quest will convert into Master class EXP?

 

And except for Titles, what does Khara do?

[Arbalist]

The grinding up to 50 in dungeons shouldn't be necessary. Follow your quest line and Kharas you should be fine. Also try to do at least the Kharas that involve monster hunting at the same time as you get your quests because they tend to overlap with the same monsters/area. The only reason I would think people have suggested to grind in dungeons is because they previously removed a lot of quests and people ended up underleveled, though it shouldn't be the case if you're playing this month (month-long EXP event going on).

Master Class differs from normal by raising the skill caps of some of your skills (ie. before level 50, you can only put 5 points in Firebolt. Once you change to master class, you can put up to 10). Also, each master level gives 5 stat points instead of 1 per level, and you don't get new skill points as a reward. Master level skill points need to be purchased.

Master Class leveling is grind-based because they do not have enough quests implemented and the quest give useless amounts of exp relative to what is needed to level up. Quest Exp would be converted to Master Points, which can be used to level up or to purchase items, skill points, and stat points.

Kharas offer additional class and job EXP, a bit of money, and titles.

 

[HarkonSlayer]

The grinding up to 50 in dungeons shouldn't be necessary. Follow your quest line and Kharas you should be fine. Also try to do at least the Kharas that involve monster hunting at the same time as you get your quests because they tend to overlap with the same monsters/area. The only reason I would think people have suggested to grind in dungeons is because they previously removed a lot of quests and people ended up underleveled, though it shouldn't be the case if you're playing this month (month-long EXP event going on).

Master Class differs from normal by raising the skill caps of some of your skills (ie. before level 50, you can only put 5 points in Firebolt. Once you change to master class, you can put up to 10). Also, each master level gives 5 stat points instead of 1 per level, and you don't get new skill points as a reward. Master level skill points need to be purchased.

Master Class leveling is grind-based because they do not have enough quests implemented and the quest give useless amounts of exp relative to what is needed to level up. Quest Exp would be converted to Master Points, which can be used to level up or to purchase items, skill points, and stat points.

Kharas offer additional class and job EXP, a bit of money, and titles.

 

After Changing to Master class, does your stats return to 1 and can you re-stats your Skills and Stats? Is there any way I can reset my stats and skills for my Mage? Atleast the STATS coz i heard INT is not good anymore. They say an AGI build is the best buil for Wizards.
 

[Greven79]

After Changing to Master class, does your stats return to 1 and can you re-stats your Skills and Stats? Is there any way I can reset my stats and skills for my Mage? Atleast the STATS coz i heard INT is not good anymore. They say an AGI build is the best buil for Wizards.

 

There's only a stat reset when you first change your job (Mage => Wizard / Sorcerer). If you created your character lately however, you get a gift box that contains further gift boxes... and you will eventually get another stat reset vellum at ~lvl 35 IIRC. Other than that, you have to buy those stat reset vellums (Auction House or Kafra Shop). I don't know where you read that AGI is better than INT, but I doubt that.... it rather sounds like it's from an older source.

 

And to answer the initial question:

With the current 100% XP boost for both combat and job experience, you neither have to do the dailies, the khara quests, nor the dungeon quests. If you focus on the normal story quests only, you will reach level 50 before you run out of quests anyways. And then you might want to rush to master levels.

 

You get a full gear set when you change your job and often it takes too long to find & complete a dungeon. The dungeon gear isn't much better than the stuff you get from the normal story quests. So maybe except for Abandoned Lab (a small one), you only waste time to do them.

 

You can activate khara quests if they don't have a point cost and sometimes you can complete some by doing your normal quests, but ignoring them (especially early in the game) saves you a lot of time. If you're a completionist, you can return later and one-shot most of the enemies. So you need a few seconds later where you might need several minutes early in the game... still outweights the additional traveling time.

[Nereida]

And to answer the initial question:

With the current 100% XP boost for both combat and job experience, you neither have to do the dailies, the khara quests, nor the dungeon quests.

 

That ended over three days ago! And the 30% exp event ended yesterday.

 

Khara isn't just for completionism. Out of events, you get just enough exp through quests+dungeon quests+khara to reach level 50 (and even then it might not be enough). If you start skipping ANYTHING, sooner than later you'll reach a point where you need ro grind to a certain level so more quests activate. Happened to me on my warrior which I lieveled before the august events.

Also, gear given by regular quests nowadays is quite... irregular. And I think they also skip weapons, shirt and pants quite often. Really, spending ~40 minutes to find a party and complete a dungeon isn't that much (we're not in a timer here! He won't die just because he takes a couple hours more) and it's quite satisfying. Depending on your class, blue gear can help on how fast you cna go through quests.

[Greven79]

Although the XP/MP boost is over (thought it would last the whole august), I wouldn't do the khara quests, nor would I do the dungeons. With the XP boost, I reached level 50 half ways in Sogratt Desert.

 

If you check the first page in your Khara menu f.e. most of the quests reward you with 3k ~ 4k XP. That's not that much. You need about ~400k to get from level 48 to level 49 and a bit more to reach level 50. So you would have to skip about 100 Khara missions to lose a level in the end. And killing a single monster later is rewarded by ~800 XP. So it's either an early khara quest like killing all those Afanc or Rodafrogs or 5 desert goblins later...

 

And about the dungeon quests. To list the ones that I skipped with my Rogue:

 

 4245 XP    Collector's Pride
 4326 XP    Spider in the Cave
10037 XP    Leader of the Rackuf
 5789 XP    Very good armor material
 6263 XP    Make a scary weapon
12814 XP    Find Interpretation
 4462 XP    Grave Blooming Mushrooms
 8444 XP    Forgotten Memory
32771 XP    Master of the Secret Forest Tomb
 43xx XP    The Whereabouts of Lindbergh
14xxx XP    True Criminal
12xxx XP    Jacob's Research Log
 99xx XP    Source of Deadly Poison
 99xx XP    Ruler of Underworld
18072 XP    The Name Mustafa
19115 XP    Chase Russil to the Sandarman Fortress

 

These are the XPs that I missed. Roughly spoken ~170k XP. So using your example of "40min per dungeon", it would have been faster to randomly kill Goblins in the Road of Blessing.

 

The only critical situation that I once had - when I ran out of quests - was about level ~21~22. But back then, I didn't use the free Battle Manual and VIP ticket, so that should compensate for it.

 

FYI: You get enough weapons during your normal leveling process. You get a very good one when you change your job and you get one in Maple Forest, Divided Plains and in Sogratt Desert at least (those are the ones I remember).

 

So sure, noone rushes you. You can do as many kharas as you want. You can even do the "hunt Moonlight Flower 3 times" khara and do it with a legal party of the appropriate level. But that's purely optional and not really needed. So better try to join a guild early or form a party with a few friends, and there shouldn't be an issue at all.

[Nereida]

Although the XP/MP boost is over (thought it would last the whole august), I wouldn't do the khara quests, nor would I do the dungeons. With the XP boost, I reached level 50 half ways in Sogratt Desert.

 

Again, with the exp boost event. I leveled a warrior until Divided Plains before august and to Road of Blessed out of 100% events after skipping ONLY dungeon quests.

I had to stop and do some additional grinding for the next quest to appear at:
-Last set of Izlude quests that lead you into Payon

-Payon ruins

-Maple Town kidnapped villagers

-Divided Plains getting potemkin turds

-Divided Plains deer hunting quests

-Divided Plains apostles of justice quests

-Verta Delta kill nepenthes quest (since I started doing some dungeons, I only needed a very small push there killing 6 extra brownies or so)

-Verta Delta cursed ghost ship quests and go talk to Ruti quest

-Sograt Desert child that wants to join the thief gang

-Road of the Blessed goblin mines quests

When finally reaching the last quest (go try to kick Juliana's ass), I was level 47. Then I did the remaining dungeons during a weekend and got to 50 when receiving the reward for the second to last Sandstorm Fortress reward. On that note, I leveled up a whole level while going through there, and we didn't even abuse the infinite spawn rooms.

 

I don't care what's the net total that khara quests give, what each one gives was completely necessary at its time to solve most of those stops before. Kidnapped villagers, deer hunting and cursed ghost ship are the only ones that needed an additional boost besides doing a set of dailies and completing all availiable kharas.

Then I leveled a crecentia during weekeneds and I indeed could skip all khara quests for Maple Forest, most of Divided Plains, all of Verta Delta, Sograt Desert and Road fo Blessed and still be level 50 before setting foot in Road of Blessed.

But alas, those events don't exist anymore and my experience with the warrior is much more accurate.

Edited by Nereida, 29 August 2014 - 01:06 AM.

[Greven79]

Although the XP/MP boost seems to go on weekends, I leveled another character during the week and excluded anything I could:

 

You have to have at least level 35, when you enter Divided Plains, level 40 when you enter Verta Delta and level 43 when you go to the Sogratt Desert. That of course means that you can't wear/use the items you will find or get, but it's to show that the prerequisite for the main quests aren't that strict.

 

IMO, both the dungeons and the 'charisma' a.k.a. khara quests should be strictly optional and - if you accept to grind a bit instead - already are right now. Killing 10~20 additional Potemkims create the same result as completing a dungeon quest f.e.

 

I would even go a bit further, remove the khara quest reward and introduce a different type of benefit instead. The titles are funny but completely useless once you get the next one and can't compete at all with the buyable p2w titles. So what's about the original idea behind the khara quests?

 

But in order to lower the tides and find a compromise:

 

I requested a general 20% XP increase more than 3 months ago (so not just an event-based increase). That should be enough to ensure a normal leveling process, even if you skip kharas or dungeon quests. The 100% boost might be too much, but it's for all the the new pinoy players and finally 'fixed' the inbalanced MP costs for grinding DW.

 

 

 

 

[Nereida]

Oh, yeah. A 20% exp increase would probably make khara quests completely optional.

 

I didn't say it before, but the character I had trouble with did all of Mjolnir, South Plains and a good part of Izlude quests (up until job change) before the quest overhaul, so I might have missed some exp in the transition. After that, well, I found bottlenecks everywhere (I think I had to grind two levels for the post-kidnapping Maple quests).

The point is that exp is very tight and skipping both khara and dungeon quests is calling for a struggle, so until they make other adjustments, it's best not to skip them. Unless you are very bad and slow at killing, in that case it might be worth trying to skip kharas.

 

P.S.: now that I reread, what dungeon quest are you comparing? Dungeon quests tend to have the highest exp rewards and ~15 potemkin isn't quite much... anyways, if you're going to grind random monsters, might as well grind with monsters that give khara rewards.

[Greven79]

P.S.: now that I reread, what dungeon quest are you comparing? Dungeon quests tend to have the highest exp rewards and ~15 potemkin isn't quite much... anyways, if you're going to grind random monsters, might as well grind with monsters that give khara rewards.

 

I've listed the dungeon XP reward already. Using the 24h Battle Manual and the free 3day VIP, a Potemkin resulted in a bit more than 600 XP. So killing 15 roughly equals 10k XP.
 

[7397141015204128823]

Hello guys,

 

I posted this question on another thread but I realized it was a necro bumped one >_<

 

I need help here. I have read on some threads to save Khara quests or even the side quests to save those Quest Exps for ML. Is this true?

 

At what Episode of Kahara should I start saving? (Episode 4?) Or how much of side quests should I save? (Morroc quests?)

 

Thank you!

[Schwarzburg]

Hello guys,

 

I posted this question on another thread but I realized it was a necro bumped one >_<

 

I need help here. I have read on some threads to save Khara quests or even the side quests to save those Quest Exps for ML. Is this true?

 

At what Episode of Kahara should I start saving? (Episode 4?) Or how much of side quests should I save? (Morroc quests?)

 

Thank you!

For your overall questions: Yes and No. You should do your Khara quests alongside your normal quests as it accelerates your experience to 50 faster. The only quests and Khara that can be skipped until ML are the dungeon-related quests, since more often than not, you'll be wasting your time finding for a party when you can just rush to ML and solo these dungeons yourself. The only good time to do dungeons along the way is when you have a willing slave to rush you through dungeons.

 

Oh, and you don't really "save" Khara quests for ML points. Condor-Muka party grind is still faster than quest spamming until Road of Bless or whatever. You however, at least have an option to break the monotony that is Condor extinction quest.

[Nereida]

You can skip khara and/or dungeons if you have some sort of exp boost going.

If you're leveling during weekends with the current boosts, you can skip both of them and still reach level 50 way before being done with road of blessed quests. Even moreso if you use VIP and 20% exp scrolls as well.

Which is quite recommended since khara quests require a lot of killing and that can take quite a while if you aren't overpowered (and most of them don't overlap with regular quests. In fact, they were designed to make you kill what normal quests don't).

[7397141015204128823]

Thanks for the answers!

 

Yes, I do play with a group of friends to we can do dungeons together.