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[fuyukikun]

just bring the update where DB damage reduced by demi human reduction!

[Lizbo]

The possible cheating aspect of this aside, DB has needed some sort of balance from the start, it's about damned time.

[Baturiano]

Why don't we get the GM's to hop on an RK on woe time. Replicate the DB that he's doing on a very very laggy castle and see if its legit or not

[Memoir]

Yay more custom changes!!

I like how a lot of posts I've seen are blaming temporal Dex boots when they don't even know what gears was that RK wearing. To achieve this feat, you will need such gears that are not easy to obtain as well as consumables. I feel bad for players that have invested to achieve it and get this result. Meanwhile, the skill is block able by pneuma, nb, etc. As well as the dmg can be reduced by fire armor(woe/bg/PVP). If the only reason that the skill is being nerfed is to balance woe, then what about pvm? I don't main a RK but I have played against enough RK's that spam DB on my ranger and this doesn't affect me at all if I were to actually want to gear against it(PVP).
Now I'm actually curious on when we get that update in the future.

[IlliterateGaming]

What is your concern about PvM?

[ShamStalin]

The thing is, the fact that db will be stronger by then and if nothing is being done about the so called no-delay dragon breath spam then it will be a disaster in WoE environment. Don't you think? So the update will do nothing for the situation in this regard. And trust me, while there are counters to this a lot of players refuse to adapt new strategies or learn.

 

From past experiences on iRo, putting a nerf on a skill/monster/map/quest due to an exploit is easier on the GM team than hunting down the illegities. Sadly, this always end up hurting the majority of the player base, sometimes there is no choice.

 

Nerf the strings, viola, fair enough get Kiels to spam, this will turn Kiel to be useful again.

[Memoir]

What is your concern about PvM?

Do this weeks high ti on a RK using dragon breath for example.

Edited by Memoir, 22 August 2014 - 06:51 AM.

[Havenn]

Concern about PVM is that DB is not an OP skill. to get the insane cast time, you need to put in a lot of work. It is not like someone made an instacast/nodelay RK overnight....So anyone who has, legitimately, and can now actually use an RK for PVM and MVP is now getting screwed by a fixed delay?? This change literally makes DB PVM RK obsolete.

 

Why not make AS a 5 second fixed delay if this is your reasoning? DB is clearly less powerful that AS, I think delays should be proportionate all around if this is your reasoning.

 

Honestly, why the hell would you change the way an entire skill works based on it being amazing when wearing amazing gear...it's meant to be amazing at that point.

Edited by Havenn, 22 August 2014 - 06:53 AM.

[Memoir]

Concern about PVM is that DB is not an OP skill. to get the insane cast time, you need to put in a lot of work. It is not like someone made an instacast/nodelay RK overnight....So anyone who has, legitimately, and can now actually use an RK for PVM and MVP is now getting screwed by a fixed delay?? This change literally makes DB PVM RK obsolete.

Why not make AS a 5 second fixed delay if this is your reasoning? DB is clearly less powerful that AS, I think delays should be proportionate all around if this is your reasoning.

Honestly, why the hell would you change the way an entire skill works based on it being amazing when wearing amazing gear...it's meant to be amazing at that point.

This was pretty much what I was trying to point out.

[Kadelia]

Dex shoe with aspd enchant, 2 bakonawa tats, high agi and a zerk pot with some spell enchanted dagger and faw would already be close to what you're seeing in the video and that's more like "middle class" gear than "super amazing" gear.

It'll only get easier with shadow gear that adds aspd and lvl 160+ stat points.

The 'nerf' to dragon breath isn't going to be that bad either. Its reduced by range and demi, but it becomes boostable by the same, higher hp, and alternating elements. It won't be much of a nerf.

Edited by Jaye, 22 August 2014 - 07:01 AM.

[Memoir]

Sorcs can do the same. Why aren't they getting nerfed?

[Kadelia]

Sorcs can do the same. Why aren't they getting nerfed?

No they can't? Their skills have skill re-use delays of 3 to 5 seconds

[meli]

Pneuma too strong, blocks db and can be spammed plz nerf.

[Memoir]

No they can't? Their skills have skill re-use delays of 3 to 5 seconds

But all their skills can be instacast.

[Yggdrasil13]

But all their skills can be instacast.

ya with 3~5sec delays. you don't understand how different that is?

Edited by Yggdrasil13, 22 August 2014 - 07:08 AM.

[Memoir]

ya with 3~5sec delays. you don't understand how different that is?

If you're not wearing reductions no.

[Yggdrasil13]

If you're not wearing reductions no.

ah..what?

Edited by Yggdrasil13, 22 August 2014 - 07:35 AM.

[Viri]

They should just put a 3 second skill cooldowwn on db? Like the unreducable kind sorcs have? Okay!

[Inubashiri]

I think the terminolgy is getting mixed up here all of the sudden:

 

http://irowiki.org/wiki/Skills

[Memoir]

They should just put a 3 second skill cooldowwn on db? Like the unreducable kind sorcs have? Okay!

As long as you can cast another AoE of a different element after it. Sure.

[Beata]

But all their skills can be instacast.

 

Instant cast != spamming.

[Yggdrasil13]

I think the terminolgy is getting mixed up here all of the sudden:

 

http://irowiki.org/wiki/Skills

right jaye misguided me with that lol

Its 3~5sec CT(cooldown time) not reducible by any gear 

Edited by Yggdrasil13, 22 August 2014 - 07:20 AM.

[Beata]

As long as you can cast another AoE of a different element after it. Sure.

 

Hmm unless a global CD is applied.

[Kydon]

Oh mah gawd people are so dumb and they are qqing about DB while they forget what the real problem is, which is client editing.

 

1) Nerfing DB wont fix the problem with NoDelay at all. (seriously all that you will manage to do is make all the RKs rage quit the game cause DB is the only skill left that is worth using)

 

2) RKs are not the only class that benefits from NoDelay lol. Have you ever see ndl acid bombs and cart cannons on MVPs or ndl suras for better GoH spamming on strings or ndl WLs spamming CL etc...etc

 

 

[AmonRA]

Nerf DB, SD, SCs, etc...

 

And the end, no matter how many nerfs you do, you cant nerf/fix the real problem, iRO Community.