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#126 Phish

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 12:56 PM

Patient may not like it, but it's better then not getting the treatment and having a 0% chance. 

 

And you can't really use the Neptu + Venu as an excuse for lack of trying via the IM. You can farm all Pluto, Neptu  and Venu from GA Dungeons. So now it's all about patients. I for one have mastered the art of being patient in ROSE. After all, 10 years here and I'm still twiddling my thumbs over Karkia, Hebarn and the Fate Factions. 

 

 

All you need is 2 characters to run unlimited dungeons (if you wanna farm those venu/plutos). Do dungeons until you have no energy left on the first one. Switch. Do them on the second one, and while you are doing them on the second one all the energy is restored on you first character. BAM! Problem solved. No need to spend extra $ or valor on energy. Geez people use your heads -.-

P.S. Dungeons are packed with people. Hasnt been a day in the last 2 months that i had to wait for one to start.

 

 

The fact that plutorunes/venurunes are supposedly dungeon rewards now makes no difference in the grand scheme of things. Since these items were added as a reward 2 weeks ago I've completed around 30 dungeons; most of which I was using 2 characters in so thats essentially 60 rewards. I've yet to get a plutorune or venurune. The people I've dungeons with have also yet to get one. Sure they might have a 1% chance to drop but the fact that people are justifying it as a reason why you don't need to use the item mall to refine to 15 is ridiculous. It's extremely unrealistic to farm for them. 


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Posted 20 October 2014 - 01:38 PM

I am wondering. How many people have we seen refine recently?
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Posted 20 October 2014 - 01:53 PM

"A knight can solo a dungeon, in level 50 brave eq's. Those eq's, clean, only cost about 550valor "
> Yes, everyone in this game is a knight.
<> Yes anyone in this game can spend some time doing some valor quests to get a Brave set [40% reduction to pvm damage taken...] and refine them to 7's. Wala. You can now tank if you don't try to pull the entire room onto yourself.
 
 
"Yes, it quite easily can appear so to those who lack even an ounce of effort. I've proven this many many times by dropping billions of my wealth, or selling it. And withing weeks, will have earned a few billion, a few months even more, after 5 months, I can afford multiple rare items or +15 sets. It's just about playing smart and not frivolously."
> ROFL you just said it yourself "by dropping billions of my wealth" and "It's just about playing smart"
<> Yes, and I proved exactly that by recovering my wealth in a matter of months. The point proved two things
1: You don't need top gear, to get top gear or be good.
2: If you're persistent and play smart, you can gain money very quickly. 
 
 
"This is in part due to the past free-trade system. It made it so no one technically had to earn anything for many years, they would simply just exchange sets. This made "earning" gear seem soo effortless, that once the binds were placed in, people suddenly realized how much determination it takes just to farm a clean honor set, or the time investment it takes to collect a full Exalted set."
> Imagine the real world, there is no 2nd hand car, no installment payment, you cannot use your parent's car when you are young, you can only drive when you work on your own until you can afford the full payment of the car.
<> Oh, I'm sorry I forgot you can't walk, ride a bike, or take a bus, or carpool. Forgive me. oh and metaphorically that represents the "Stages" you go through to get the best end result [your own car]. 
 
 The trade restriction system is exactly like that. Why do you think book publisher release new edition every year or every two years, yes they want the customer to "earn" that book themselves and gain new knowledge with some grammatical error fix, reselling books on eBay, amazon is not good because this made students earning book seem so effortless right?
<> Uh, wtf? That's not a good metaphor, at all... 
 
 
Then you sir give up too easily. +15's are now going to be for the elite, persistent and all around determined. Even with item mall, you never have a guarantee that it will work and the refine will be successful. It can still fail, and still degrade even with the IM runes. 
> Remember those good old days when using venurune/plutorune/neptarune yields exactly the same % chance upon refining? No, because I don't.
<> Well 
1: Pluto rune, to this day and always, has never increase your success chance. So, there ya go, your point disproved already. but lets continue.
2: Venu's. The POINT of using a Venurune IS to increase the sucess. If they didn't do that, and did nothing else, WTF would be the point of using them ? Duh?
3: Nepturunes are the upgraded version of a Pluto. The very nature of that ugraded rune is that it does provide a very small [5% seriously] increase. Thats only 1/20 increased chance. To me tha very tiny "bip" of an increase to chances is so small that it's not worth it, I don't use them. 

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#129 DestinyDeoxys

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 03:25 PM

 

"A knight can solo a dungeon, in level 50 brave eq's. Those eq's, clean, only cost about 550valor "
> Yes, everyone in this game is a knight.
<> Yes anyone in this game can spend some time doing some valor quests to get a Brave set [40% reduction to pvm damage taken...] and refine them to 7's. Wala. You can now tank if you don't try to pull the entire room onto yourself.
^ even a bow scout can solo dungeons, sure you can argue with that, but if you still don't get it then forget it, you probably will never
 
"Yes, it quite easily can appear so to those who lack even an ounce of effort. I've proven this many many times by dropping billions of my wealth, or selling it. And withing weeks, will have earned a few billion, a few months even more, after 5 months, I can afford multiple rare items or +15 sets. It's just about playing smart and not frivolously."
> ROFL you just said it yourself "by dropping billions of my wealth" and "It's just about playing smart"
<> Yes, and I proved exactly that by recovering my wealth in a matter of months. The point proved two things
1: You don't need top gear, to get top gear or be good.
2: If you're persistent and play smart, you can gain money very quickly. 
^ 1 = casual
   2 = tryhard
What do you want?

 
 
"This is in part due to the past free-trade system. It made it so no one technically had to earn anything for many years, they would simply just exchange sets. This made "earning" gear seem soo effortless, that once the binds were placed in, people suddenly realized how much determination it takes just to farm a clean honor set, or the time investment it takes to collect a full Exalted set."
> Imagine the real world, there is no 2nd hand car, no installment payment, you cannot use your parent's car when you are young, you can only drive when you work on your own until you can afford the full payment of the car.
<> Oh, I'm sorry I forgot you can't walk, ride a bike, or take a bus, or carpool. Forgive me. oh and metaphorically that represents the "Stages" you go through to get the best end result [your own car]. 
^ Oh, item mall say hello to you


 
 The trade restriction system is exactly like that. Why do you think book publisher release new edition every year or every two years, yes they want the customer to "earn" that book themselves and gain new knowledge with some grammatical error fix, reselling books on eBay, amazon is not good because this made students earning book seem so effortless right?
<> Uh, wtf? That's not a good metaphor, at all... 
^ Used english, not sure if you can comprehend though. Preventing customers from recycling ready to serve item to increase the demand of new consumer goods is exactly what the trade restriction system partially about.

 
 
Then you sir give up too easily. +15's are now going to be for the elite, persistent and all around determined. Even with item mall, you never have a guarantee that it will work and the refine will be successful. It can still fail, and still degrade even with the IM runes. 
> Remember those good old days when using venurune/plutorune/neptarune yields exactly the same % chance upon refining? No, because I don't.
<> Well 
1: Pluto rune, to this day and always, has never increase your success chance. So, there ya go, your point disproved already. but lets continue.
2: Venu's. The POINT of using a Venurune IS to increase the sucess. If they didn't do that, and did nothing else, WTF would be the point of using them ? Duh?
3: Nepturunes are the upgraded version of a Pluto. The very nature of that ugraded rune is that it does provide a very small [5% seriously] increase. Thats only 1/20 increased chance. To me tha very tiny "bip" of an increase to chances is so small that it's not worth it, I don't use them. 

^1. I'm refering to the chance going from (0) to (15), if you know what I mean.
 2. Thank god, you finally got it. I was worried that you don't.
 3. Yes, 5% means you will really have 5% less chance to get an item to (15) right? Go study some probability & statistics even the junior high school level, you will understand it doesn't work like that.

 


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Posted 20 October 2014 - 03:29 PM

LOL you people arguing as if your life depends on it. It is, and will continue to be, JUST A GAME. people with time will farm their stuffs, people with no time will buy item mall, and people with time but are lazy will use item mall. i seriously dont see the problem here.


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Posted 20 October 2014 - 04:25 PM

 

 

Well considering none of your responses had any argument to it, just downputs and insults I'll let this topic go, as you're no longer worth responding to in state you're posting in. 


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Posted 20 October 2014 - 05:57 PM

I do agree with you mmos need to be challenging, and need to make players feel as they have to play as a team, help each others, farm and grind...

 

New items will balance the refining issue (true apart for the massive amount of lisent stock old players have, compared to what a new player can drop, but not much can and should be done about it), but as the situation stands now.... and when it will be about farming those new pieces of gears you are talking about, then no, things aren't  and won't be balanced.

 

Like I said, what they should have done is to nerf success rate of the new set of gears, but to not touch the lisents% and make it too hard for new comers to catch up.

 

Nerfing the success rate of the new gears means basicly that they have to change the sucess rate of the lisents, in fact, their sucess rate was a way too high, that's how everyone managed to get +15 gears in the first place (which shouldn't be the case).

In the best case they'd have released new end-game-gears at the same time to balance things out for the newbies, however you have to consider their team size which pretty much explains why the gears are delayd, but i'm pretty confident that they will follow.

While i do agree on the changes of the lisents it kinda bugs me that the IM runes remained untouched. (And yes, farming isn't balanced at all, but that wasn't the topic)


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Posted 20 October 2014 - 06:04 PM

it is kind of strange nobody has gotten a single plutorune or venurune from these dungeons yet despite them being part of the rewards now. either they made them extremely difficult to obtain or they didnt put them in at all o.O
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Posted 20 October 2014 - 06:17 PM

Is anyone farming with the new gems? Just curious. 


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Posted 20 October 2014 - 06:24 PM

Is anyone farming with the new gems? Just curious.

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 06:35 PM

 

 

 

  • New in-game versions of the Venurune, Plutorune, and Nepturune can now be obtained for completing a Game Arena Dungeon at a low rate.

 

 

 

 

Going by that it sounds like it's a reward at the end, not a boss drop, which wouldn't be effected by gems. But perhaps Leonis or Genesis can confirm this?


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Posted 20 October 2014 - 06:53 PM

It worked great for lisent on premium in dungeon, but it would be nice to know which way it was obtained.


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Posted 20 October 2014 - 10:54 PM

it is kind of strange nobody has gotten a single plutorune or venurune from these dungeons yet despite them being part of the rewards now. either they made them extremely difficult to obtain or they didnt put them in at all o.O

 

They probably just exist for an easy excuse to people making legitimate complaints.
 


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Posted 21 October 2014 - 12:11 AM

Did you really expect to see something originally in IM drop easily?

 

Chances are you do 1000 dungeons and not see one...


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Posted 21 October 2014 - 11:00 PM

Refining: Grade 1-8 / Valor / Honor

Refine ---» Use this for every attempt
+ 1-3. ---» no cata
+ 4-5. ---» 10 Purple Powder
+ 6-7. ---» 10 lisent Hg
+ 8-11.---» 10 lisent U + 2 venurune
+ 12-15.---» 10 lisent U + 2 venurune + Nepturune/plutorune

I hope this will work. Not everyday is a bad day on refining. Good luck!

Edited by carlolz, 21 October 2014 - 11:02 PM.

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Posted 23 October 2014 - 04:48 AM

i smell new 220 set of armor in the future and new max lvl . .
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Posted 23 October 2014 - 05:12 AM

i smell new 220 set of armor in the future and new max lvl . .

Plausible. It's possible it'd might take over a year or even years for this to happen though.


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Posted 23 October 2014 - 07:52 AM

we will not jump for 220 stuffs ._. ... the others ones still need to be fixed lol xD


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