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[Kghinn]

I am not new to Rose, however I am used to an irose server and have not played for a few years aha

Currently im at lv 110 and a raider, and have followed the route as a tank/quadra AOE spam build, so far its working well, however im only used to Katar raiders and their specific builds. I was curious about a few things, are dual wield raiders that useful in late game, as a class and for its total AOE output contribution in a party. Was hoping for a pointer or two, where to go to for leveling up aside from temple in elveroon

Much Appreciated

[WH0MP]

You will not do as much damage as a champ for example, but a dual raider will tank much better than them! Plus your debuffs are freaking useful!

[iMatt]

Hi Kghinn,

 

Dual Raiders are very versatile, with a lot of utility skills, like AoE slows - high dodge cooldowns and a good survivability. Overall Dual Raiders are great especially for players who are new to Rose/Raiders - the only disadvantage that makes them not as attractive as katars (and this is just in PvP, because in PvM dual raiders are mutch better than katar raiders) is the lack of damage output compared to their claws swinging classmates.

Hope this helped you!

Good luck and enjoy Rose! =)

Greetings

Matt

Edited by iMatt, 02 October 2014 - 09:45 AM.

[jerremy]

They're one of the best characters for PVM due to their ability to reliably disable monsters (high aspd, accuracy, movement speed down), both AOE and single targets. 

In PVP they're also strong but harder to do well with than their katar counterparts.

[Kghinn]

Thanks for the advice Im looking forward to leveling up a raider

[Iazu]

I talked with a buddy of mine who has been playing for a while here, he said you should mostly look at it as
Katar: DPS / Pressure
Dual: Bust / CC

Not sure from personal experience, but I think he knows what he's talking about.

[jerremy]

I talked with a buddy of mine who has been playing for a while here, he said you should mostly look at it as
Katar: DPS / Pressure
Dual: Bust / CC

Not sure from personal experience, but I think he knows what he's talking about.

Duals burst isn't that big compared to other burst classes (mage, sword and axe champion, cannon bourg), and they actually have both burst and consistent DPS due to their ability to consistently chain skills one after another. I'd say they're more of a jack of all trades, but a master of none (except maybe CCing, but even there there's classes that are sometimes more capable).

[Kghinn]

Seems like Dual Raiders are just good at surving and dealing a moderate amount of damage,

[iMatt]

which is perfect for new players, isn't it? once you are more experienced you can think about switching to katar raider -- how does this sound?
 

[AvidG]

Hello everyone!

 

Massively new here (about 5 days) and had a few questions. This was the most recent post that was relevant to my question without me creating a whole new post, so I thought I would ask here (hope I didn't do something wrong. If I did, apologies) ^_^

 

Anyway, enough of my ramblings, the question - if I wanted to make a raider just to fight the big monsters (kings, I think), what stats and skills should I take? I heard the big guys have good drops so I wanna fight them (solo if possible) and I was thinking about making a dual raider.

 

Any and all help will be appreciated.

 

Thank you,

 

AvidG

 

P.S. : Have a bit of trouble reading through long lines of words and numbers is a bit difficult for me, so pictures would be really helpful. ^_^

[Kghinn]

I am not an expert by any means, however I have a pretty good grasp of how dual wield raiders work at the moment, but I'm still learning  

The main stat you need is Strength, for defence, hit points and your dual wields attack damage, pretty much what separates a dual raider from a katar raider

Secondly, you will need enough Dexterity to use your weapon, in addition to a bit more for added dodge rate, movement speed and addition attack damage

Charm and Int personally I am ignoring, charm i dont think has much of a use for dual wield raiders, and int, well if you want added mp and magic resist.. but id save that for a much higher level not needed at a lower level

For concentration my rule of thumb has kinda always been, if i notice myself missing ill add more in, but nothing good buffs and stats on your gear/weapon cant solve

Sen is pretty important, but more than less for katar raiders because of their superior attack speed to keep your opponent in a crit lock, if thats still even a thing in rose evo, it was in irose and hauled massive amounts of derriere  

Gems:, although im aiming for a lot of strength I got dexterity based jewellery, and socketed it with garnets for added dex because I guess im old school, high dodge rate is a beautiful thing

Skills: aim for passives and aoes, passive are very important for making your character i guess uhh durable and useful.. added dex, attack speed, defence, armor penetration and so on and aoes make your guy more useful in large parties and for levelling up

I will post pictures later when I'm on my own PC hopefully this helps 

Pictures of my own stat and skill charts that is

Cheers Mang!

 

[jerremy]

For soloing kings, put points into charm till your freezing assault (single target in raider skill tree, last single target skill) has an aspd down of -95%. Any monster hit by this skill will STOP attacking completely, meaning no matter how weak your equipment is you can take on any monster in a fight as long as you use this skill. (note: they can still use skills but auto attacking becomes impossible for them. Since most bosses don't have any combat skills, they will just stand idle)

Put rest into dex/sen mostly for maximum damage output, str no longer gives as much attack power as dex does.

Con is rather pointless in pvm since monsters have pretty much no dodge.

[Kghinn]

Really? Charm has a use aside from buffing eh

[jerremy]

Yes. Charm not only affects buffs, but also enhances the crippling effect of debuffs. A dual raider in particular benefits greatly from charm due to having a multitude of different debuff effects (defense, attack speed, movement speed and accuracy down), most of them with plenty high effects.