Is it feasible to produce a list of items (actual names, not general categories) that will NOT be deleted? Much shorter list there and gives players a better idea of the impact, instead of the vague descriptions we've had over the weekend.
Patch Notes 10/20/14
#28
Posted 20 October 2014 - 01:18 PM
How is a completely different server affected by those Founder/pre-historic titles?
Because only those who played in Odin before would be able to get those titles in Freyja. Nevermind that those titles can get outranked kinda easily after getting to ML, but they can't have some players having such disastrous advantage for a total of 10 levels!
#30
Posted 20 October 2014 - 01:23 PM
1.What's the need to have both Odin and Freyja sharing the same temp storage? And don't come speaking of event rewards because that's rather easy to work around.
2.If it isn't meant to be an account storage, then give us a decent account storage OR a decent storage OR not make absolutely everything character bound (even level up gears, which would have no resell value, are character bound!)
3.What happened to "your items are safe in the temp storage, you can keep them there for as long as you wish"?
Not like a proper fix would help me much now that I've taken most of those items out, rendered my characters useless for looting and spread those items in a way that will probably hurt me in the future because I'll have stuff like lucky powder in a char and infinium in another.
Tough luck.
If you wanted to keep them for future characters, you just won't be able to because they decided to open a new server on a whim.
1. First, it's how it was designed. Second, if you make a Kafra Shop purchase on your account, those items would then be accessible from any of the two RO2 servers you play on. In the end, this will be more beneficial to players who would want to play on either server. You don't lose your purchases as long as their in temp box storage and you haven't removed them. It's inconvenient right now for players who have used temp box storage as a way to keep items they dont want to drop into their bags, but we can't let Freyja get overrun with items that cause balance issues early on.
2. This is a separate issue that can be addressed by Gravity, since it requires additional development, and doesn't really pertain to the issue at hand. We have pushed for account-wide storage since we launched, but it's integration has been delayed for various reasons. We're always revisiting old ideas, so it's possible we'll see it in the future, but it's not plausible for tonight's maintenance and our preparation for Freyja.
3. I'm not sure where this is quoting, but when it was said a new server was likely not on the horizon, so the requirement that players remove the balance-breaking items from storage wasn't discussed.
Pre-Historic and Founder titles should've been rewarded by June 2013. That should've given you about 16 months to remove it or create an alt to apply it to. There will be other titles in the future, but felt these would cause a balance issue with a new server.
#31
Posted 20 October 2014 - 01:24 PM
While saying that "any item restored via ticket" can mean virtually any item, couldn't that be part of a list by itself? Seriously.
Something like:
a. All items restored by support tickets
b. Costumes with stats
c. Immediate refine stones
d. etc ad infinitum
Keeping the players blind regarding this matter acts as a scapegoat for WP for accidentally deleting items that weren't supposed to have been deleted, since the players don't really completely know what should've been deleted anyway.
#32
Posted 20 October 2014 - 01:25 PM
The items scheduled to be removed would've caused an unfair advantage to new players in Freyja if they were existing players on Odin.
The temp box storage is not meant to be another form of inventory, but a delivery method.
As mentioned before, we are not removing most of the items in there. Only items that are balance problems.
Since that list can be large (considering any type of item could've been sent back from a ticket), we're advising players to remove items that they want to keep.
However, again, we are not wiping everything.
Are the Founder and pre-historic titles safe?
No, they will be removed.
Pre-Historic Title too OP guys!
#33
Posted 20 October 2014 - 01:31 PM
1. x x x ... but we can't let Freyja get overrun with items that cause balance issues early on.
2. x x x
3. x x x... , so the requirement that players remove the balance-breaking items from storage wasn't discussed.
xxx . . . , but felt these would cause a balance issue with a new server.
I'm now concerned regarding the future of Odin in relation to Freyja as well as the events that will be held in both. Of course being the younger server, you can't let Freyja be overrun with items that cause balance issues early on; while Odin being the older server can't be compensated from events with cheaper or less useful items. However, prizes sent to an event participant or winner becomes accessible on both servers. That said, we're sort of to assume that we're not going to get anything but costumes and low-tier consumables in the upcoming months, until the new server is at a good enough average level; or they're going to send over less appealing events to Odin players.
#34
Posted 20 October 2014 - 01:39 PM
Didn't someone suggest that Founders Titles might be an option for the Freyja server? A way to introduce players to the server, just in the same way that they did for the games opening?
If this is the case it is fair.
As far as loosing them because of not activating them... Their has been plenty of time to activate them. I'd like to know why they haven't been? I have a founders title... I've had it forever, stored it in my account storage, stopped playing the game for a while (pre-level 40), started playing again, and activated the title when I could. What is the excuse? I guess I just don't see why this is such a huge issue.
I don't know. If I had more in my temp box I'd be in the game doing exactly what is suggested: Picking the things I wanted to keep. For me though... I guess that's not a lot. I generally sell or use everything I get so their is never anything backed up in my storage. *shrugs*
Edited by PhoenixFH, 20 October 2014 - 01:41 PM.
#35
Posted 20 October 2014 - 01:48 PM
Didn't someone suggest that Founders Titles might be an option for the Freyja server? A way to introduce players to the server, just in the same way that they did for the games opening?
If this is the case it is fair.
As far as loosing them because of not activating them... Their has been plenty of time to activate them. I'd like to know why they haven't been? I have a founders title... I've had it forever, stored it in my account storage, stopped playing the game for a while (pre-level 40), started playing again, and activated the title when I could. What is the excuse? I guess I just don't see why this is such a huge issue.
I don't know. If I had more in my temp box I'd be in the game doing exactly what is suggested: Picking the things I wanted to keep. For me though... I guess that's not a lot. I generally sell or use everything I get so their is never anything backed up in my storage. *shrugs*
Yes, we will be setting up a Founder title event for Freyja. Details for events will be up soon.
#37
Posted 20 October 2014 - 02:00 PM
^ Is there no possibility of even blocking entry into Morroc? Even if it's a new server, it wouldn't take quite long to breeze through everything. While the game will be difficult for a few of the first batch of players, possibly requiring that you farm decent gear before you have a chance at the ML test, the moment a Soulmaker hits ML1, the Cure would be enough to babysit people through the ML test. The moment any char (or even that Soulmaker itself) hits ML1, the power jump would be enough to babysit people from Pre-ML 1 to 50. I don't find it unlikely that a small group (or maybe a guild) would do just that, and establish a cooperative effort to rush into ML like this. This is the most basic method, and people have likely way more up their sleeve. All this made easier by the ongoing XP mods, the availability of EXP-boosting items, events that enhance survivability (ie 3000 hp tickets), etc. And you already gave the statement that the two servers will be the same in this regard.
#38
Posted 20 October 2014 - 02:20 PM
Seriously though, would have it been THAT hard to make the announcement with proper time? Having ONE day to ask, get answers and act accordingly is disastrously low.
And also a proper list of what will and won't be removed. The item restoration thing is not valid, since you could just give it a blanket term in the list like "-Any item restored to your account after submiting a ticket". You guys seem to love blanket solutions afterall (poor SEA players losing their unstatted tuxedos because they fall under the "not existing in Odin" blanket, for instance).
1. First, it's how it was designed. Second, if you make a Kafra Shop purchase on your account, those items would then be accessible from any of the two RO2 servers you play on. In the end, this will be more beneficial to players who would want to play on either server. You don't lose your purchases as long as their in temp box storage and you haven't removed them. It's inconvenient right now for players who have used temp box storage as a way to keep items they dont want to drop into their bags, but we can't let Freyja get overrun with items that cause balance issues early on.
Pre-Historic and Founder titles should've been rewarded by June 2013. That should've given you about 16 months to remove it or create an alt to apply it to. There will be other titles in the future, but felt these would cause a balance issue with a new server.
As said, it's easy to work around. Just add a "select a server" field when purchasing Kafra points. And you fail to understand that we are using the temp storage like that not just because we're greedy for item slots (wow, I just offended myself with that), but because items are BOUND and for many of them we don't know which character we want them in until the moment comes.
And well, I HAVE used some of those titles, just not enough noel classes have been released for me to use them all. Yet.
Yes, we will be setting up a Founder title event for Freyja. Details for events will be up soon.
So Odin Founder titles would be an unfair advantage for a total of two weeks, huh?
Oh well, I guess at least I can use Freyja to take back some of what Freyja took from me.
the moment a Soulmaker hits ML1, the Cure would be enough to babysit people through the ML test.
And not even ML1. Afterall, I had an easy time passing it with my own SM and all she had was her own level 3 cure and a level 50 priest's buffs (oh, and a couple of red pots from attendance) with below-50 gear.
#40
Posted 20 October 2014 - 02:29 PM
Then what's the dang point of removing Odin players' Founder titles if you're going to give Freyja players the same thing which are going to be accessible for both servers anyhow???Yes, we will be setting up a Founder title event for Freyja. Details for events will be up soon.
#41
Posted 20 October 2014 - 02:33 PM
^
It could be differently named. The effort would be part of the experience. So many legit reasons.
But yeah, that's quite stupid to an extent that it may be activated in Odin.
There's a lot that's easy to assume that will happen when they've set that the two servers won't be different.
#42
Posted 20 October 2014 - 02:38 PM
^
It could be differently named. The effort would be part of the experience. So many legit reasons.
But yeah, that's quite stupid to an extent that it may be activated in Odin.
There's a lot that's easy to assume that will happen when they've set that the two servers won't be different.
Well, last time it wasn't really hard. You just had to level a character until early Payon Forest for a title and then AFK for a couple days to get quite a few more. Hope this time it's the same.
And well, I guess they could get those titles in the mail instead of using temp storage. I wouldn't put it past them to follow a principle of "all the damage to Odin, all the benefits to Freyja".
#43
Posted 20 October 2014 - 02:43 PM
I wouldn't put it past them to follow a principle of "all the damage to Odin, all the benefits to Freyja".
Let's look forward to a "Ragnarok" patch, which introduces a full overhaul on mechanics and balancing, to the same weight as AoV compared to LotS, which is made live together with an event which allows Odin characters to move into Freyja under certain qualifications and restrictions, with a possibility of renaming either or both servers in accordance with the lore.
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#44
Posted 20 October 2014 - 02:50 PM
Let's look forward to a "Ragnarok" patch, which introduces a full overhaul on mechanics and balancing, to the same weight as AoV compared to LotS, which is made live together with an event which allows Odin characters to move into Freyja under certain qualifications and restrictions, with a possibility of renaming either or both servers in accordance with the lore.
And all your items you got through events, sales or other stuff like that will be removed.
I'd also add that all your items will be character bound but, well, they already kinda are.
#45
Posted 20 October 2014 - 03:01 PM
1. First, it's how it was designed. Second, if you make a Kafra Shop purchase on your account, those items would then be accessible from any of the two RO2 servers you play on. In the end, this will be more beneficial to players who would want to play on either server. You don't lose your purchases as long as their in temp box storage and you haven't removed them. It's inconvenient right now for players who have used temp box storage as a way to keep items they dont want to drop into their bags, but we can't let Freyja get overrun with items that cause balance issues early on.
I just want to clarify something..
Since we can use same account for both server.. The names that's been used in Odin will not be available in Freyja..
Right?
We need to know or I need to know so I could prepare my IGN in Freyja.. ^_^
Edited by kramyaj, 20 October 2014 - 03:01 PM.
#46
Posted 20 October 2014 - 03:35 PM
Because only those who played in Odin before would be able to get those titles in Freyja. Nevermind that those titles can get outranked kinda easily after getting to ML, but they can't have some players having such disastrous advantage for a total of 10 levels!
Founder title has like almost same stats as Fast and Furious and you can wear it at lvl1 (its like 3-5 stats difference at most)
its not really big of advantage now since AoV stat calcuations is kinda Overpowering the mobs from lvl1-50 (so much easier to lvl up now than LoTS version) - that Founder title before is like your having steroids as lvl 1 (lvl50cap)
Edited by Rafnex, 20 October 2014 - 03:36 PM.
#47
Posted 20 October 2014 - 04:05 PM
Founder title has like almost same stats as Fast and Furious and you can wear it at lvl1 (its like 3-5 stats difference at most)
its not really big of advantage now since AoV stat calcuations is kinda Overpowering the mobs from lvl1-50 (so much easier to lvl up now than LoTS version) - that Founder title before is like your having steroids as lvl 1 (lvl50cap)
Founders titles now have lvl 40 requirement even less reason to delete them
#49
Posted 20 October 2014 - 04:11 PM
Warpportal! Please fix the bug on the halloween Quest!
I haven been able to accept any event quests for the last few days... PLEASE!!
Have you been trying to take them between 00 and 06 server time? Because if you did, that's the reason you can't take them.
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