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[Charas]

honestly speaking, in order for people to not complain about the new refining system, its time to have a 230 gear , for honor and valor and a new epic. so we all ( old players, new players ) can feel the pain in the butt to refine ... cause now is not fair to the new comer like me, those old players refined their gears all to +15 during the easy time , and me ( new comer 0 have to deal during the hard time . so not fair .,.. 

 

This guy speak the truth!

[Feuer]

How do you know that hadn't been thought of? Just saying, it was obviously a move to change the dynamic effect of refines on the game, so if I had to bet money, I'd say they'd already thought about new EQ's and it'd only be a matter of time. And I say a matter of time because as a 3D designer, it's not easy to get a solid good looking avatar set. There's like 9billion things that can screw it up or make it look shoddy. 

Edited by Feuer, 27 October 2014 - 06:32 AM.

[Charas]

How do you know that hadn't been thought of? Just saying, it was obviously a move to change the dynamic effect of refines on the game, so if I had to bet money, I'd say they'd already thought about new EQ's and it'd only be a matter of time. And I say a matter of time because as a 3D designer, it's not easy to get a solid good looking avatar set. There's like 9billion things that can screw it up or make it look shoddy. 

 

I do also believe they have in mind to introduce a new set, but it doesn't make their patch any better. It s all a matter of timing and schedules, if those refine changes would have been introduced at the same time as a new gear set, then it would have been all cool. But it isn't the case obviously, and as players we do not have any time table telling us when those "new gears" would be coming, it is totally legitime to criticize the current state of the game, as we cannot forsee what might come in the future.

 

As for mobs balance... be it in atk (from this patch) or defense wise (from previous patches), those changes still make no sense at all in a business strategy and community devellopment point of view. It changes the whole leveling process and take away a huge part of the satisfaction new players are looking to have while playing, fun factor is not to be ignored in any kind of game. And it also makes it way harder for new players to gear up their character, can you imagine the frustration they can feel while running around in junon, seeing all those +15s characters around... seeing prices going over several billions... and completly knowing they have no chance to make their character competitive on their own unless they spend cash to get fast zulies (completly P2W, wich definitly make a LOT of new players go away). They could farm ofcourse, slowly, selling crafting mats and such, but with the current drop system it would take a year, only to reach the gear level that most players have since years.

 

And all that knowing that ROSE is a 10++ yo game, It would be foolish to close your eyes and ignore the facts, it is better to have an honest view on the market in order to be competitive as a company. And when it come to us... players, this is the only thing we should really want! for the company to be successfull and atractive to new players.

Edited by Naughty, 28 October 2014 - 03:53 PM.
Please keep discussion about NARose

[bl0b]

20% refine event to compensate for the early implementation and no warning of the catalyst nerf

[Gojio]

honestly speaking, in order for people to not complain about the new refining system, its time to have a 230 gear , for honor and valor and a new epic. so we all ( old players, new players ) can feel the pain in the butt to refine ... cause now is not fair to the new comer like me, those old players refined their gears all to +15 during the easy time , and me ( new comer 0 have to deal during the hard time . so not fair .,.. 

 

I wholeheartedly agree. Honor gear being bound was already a huge hit on our usual ways of getting stuff, even though I do not disagree, but if on top of that you add the refining nerf, new players are going to have a really hard time getting decent gear. I already stated my opinion on this, the whole binding\refining update could have been saved for whenever they implemented new gear. Doing it now only discriminates between those who had their sets already refined and those who refine them now.

[Leeny]

The refining nerf was too much in my opinion. I don't even bother to refine anything I just buy it already +15. As for anyone saying this game is pay to win. All I have to say is, I gained everything without paying money in this game. Yes a few times I bought premium account to farm some dungeons for more valor but that was it. And i only did that twice, you could hardly say that made me rich or even added 1% to the value I currently have. I did it all through a gem shop(yes it has declined since the new gem update, but I still am making around 2b daily from beryl sales). That's all, I am looking forward to lvl 230 gears/weapons if it would ever happen

Edited by Leeny, 27 October 2014 - 09:39 AM.

[MaxMan]

He said he is quitting the game after the patch v.533 because he could not level or doing any else with the constantly changing in the difficulty levels and the expectations of ROSE. His case will not be an isolated incident. In fact, this is what I am expecting after seeing the new players died in mass during their leveling processes and dungeons.

He is quitting, yet you are asking if he is upset or not. Of course, he is upset. Dumb question.

well if he think lvling is hard on this rose he shuld have trayed Irose,there it was hard in compering to here, he has no ide how easy it is to lvl in this rose now its kinda redicilus and thay need to make it harder if you ask me yes am not playing at the moment becose of a half walking dead pc but yea its to easy, make it hard its beter thay get lvl 230 in 6 month then 6 days if you see where i go whit it the longer it take to lvl the more maps get used agen and then more ppl buy of the lower lvl foood and then helps bourgs sell cheap food from npc so you see one thing can help many now i have bin araund for 10+ years on rose and i seen it all in a way and still this game has much to offer if its done the right way and rigth now am not gona say what is right or not thats up to devs (leonis ) to ask me abaut it  

 

thats my thinking of it so have a nice day

 

Regards MaxMan (Maximillian)

[Charas]

well if he think lvling is hard on this rose he shuld have trayed Irose,there it was hard in compering to here, he has no ide how easy it is to lvl in this rose now its kinda redicilus and thay need to make it harder if you ask me yes am not playing at the moment becose of a half walking dead pc but yea its to easy, make it hard its beter thay get lvl 230 in 6 month then 6 days if you see where i go whit it the longer it take to lvl the more maps get used agen and then more ppl buy of the lower lvl foood and then helps bourgs sell cheap food from npc so you see one thing can help many now i have bin araund for 10+ years on rose and i seen it all in a way and still this game has much to offer if its done the right way and rigth now am not gona say what is right or not thats up to devs (leonis ) to ask me abaut it

 

thats my thinking of it so have a nice day

 

Regards MaxMan (Maximillian)

 

I could completly agree with you, if ROSE was still "a new game". It's not very realistic to expect ppl to grind for  6 mouths or 1 year (and if we compare it too old standard it would still be very fast) to reach max level, while so many people are maxed level... and have leveled their char with ease... this would be one more unfair thing toward new players.

 

But to be honest, when it comes to pure gaming experience, I wouldn t mind at all if leveling was let s say 10 times longer as it is now... as long as mobs would also be nerfed. Back in our time... be it pre evo (where we could 1 shot pretty much every mobs on strong skills with a +7 weapon) or be it early evo, normal mobs could be defeated with ease buy solo unbuffed players... and bosses would take 2minutes to be defeated. Drop rates were lower... exp was greatly lower... but the gaming feeling was making it way more enjoyable than leveling is now, in my opinion it was at least. Nowadays, if someone creates a character, and try to lvl it alone, with no buffs, and no party... he'll get sick of it.. very.. very fast. You also have to add the fact that before... leveling was kind of a race... everyone wanted to be high level... to have an edge on their oponents.. to be able to farm higher gears before everyone... nowadays doing that would be like competiting on a race where 95% of the competitors already reached the finishing line! who would like to run this kind of race?

 

That beeing said... if they were to implent a new level cap in ROSE... I would definitly enjoy it and I would truely hope it would take... long... like.... really long. If it was up to me, I would raise the lvl cap to 250, and make every new lvl past 230 requiere 1.5 times the exp from the previous level... and there you have it again! a new worthy race that every active players would enjoy and want to win!

- New equipment sets for lvl 230, 240, 245 and 250, new leveling zones with some areas with single target mobs drop interesting stuff at a pretty good rate, some areas dropping interesting stuffs at a lower rate but with huge loads of mobs... wich would requiere a cooperative gameplay (old school moonchild style).

- A lot of unused maps exists, most work would probably come from designing new set (unless you are using existing unused datas).. and designing new mobs.

- Make the new sets and their bindrunes drop from dungeons only accessible at level 230+ 240+ 245+ 250+ and requiering collaborative gameplay. This to make it be challenging... and force players to help each other with the whole leveling process... as being 240 245 or 250 alone would be quite pointless, as you would have to wait on others to be able to farm your equips... and yes it should be a long farm.

- Ofcourse this would imply the development of 4 new dungeons... with new bosses mechanics.

But hey!  this would be a plan for the future! and Devellopers would anyway have quite some time to make all that happening, concidering leveling from 249 to 250 alone would take about 3000+ hours.

[Gojio]

Irose-preevo were a challenge, the levelling pace was perfect and players could explore and enjoy the game. Current rose could be wrapped up in 5-6 maps, with characters using the same gear for 40-50 lvls because they lvl way too fast to even bother.

If I think about how wonderful it was to just reach lvl 100 and achieve 2nd job...

[samisbackkkkk]

pre evo was 2nd job at 70 btw Albe!

1 love. 

[MaxMan]

I could completly agree with you, if ROSE was still "a new game". It's not very realistic to expect ppl to grind for  6 mouths or 1 year (and if we compare it too old standard it would still be very fast) to reach max level, while so many people are maxed level... and have leveled their char with ease... this would be one more unfair thing toward new players.

 

But to be honest, when it comes to pure gaming experience, I wouldn t mind at all if leveling was let s say 10 times longer as it is now... as long as mobs would also be nerfed. Back in our time... be it pre evo (where we could 1 shot pretty much every mobs on strong skills with a +7 weapon) or be it early evo, normal mobs could be defeated with ease buy solo unbuffed players... and bosses would take 2minutes to be defeated. Drop rates were lower... exp was greatly lower... but the gaming feeling was making it way more enjoyable than leveling is now, in my opinion it was at least. Nowadays, if someone creates a character, and try to lvl it alone, with no buffs, and no party... he'll get sick of it.. very.. very fast. You also have to add the fact that before... leveling was kind of a race... everyone wanted to be high level... to have an edge on their oponents.. to be able to farm higher gears before everyone... nowadays doing that would be like competiting on a race where 95% of the competitors already reached the finishing line! who would like to run this kind of race?

 

That beeing said... if they were to implent a new level cap in ROSE... I would definitly enjoy it and I would truely hope it would take... long... like.... really long. If it was up to me, I would raise the lvl cap to 250, and make every new lvl past 230 requiere 1.5 times the exp from the previous level... and there you have it again! a new worthy race that every active players would enjoy and want to win!

- New equipment sets for lvl 230, 240, 245 and 250, new leveling zones with some areas with single target mobs drop interesting stuff at a pretty good rate, some areas dropping interesting stuffs at a lower rate but with huge loads of mobs... wich would requiere a cooperative gameplay (old school moonchild style).

- A lot of unused maps exists, most work would probably come from designing new set (unless you are using existing unused datas).. and designing new mobs.

- Make the new sets and their bindrunes drop from dungeons only accessible at level 230+ 240+ 245+ 250+ and requiering collaborative gameplay. This to make it be challenging... and force players to help each other with the whole leveling process... as being 240 245 or 250 alone would be quite pointless, as you would have to wait on others to be able to farm your equips... and yes it should be a long farm.

- Ofcourse this would imply the development of 4 new dungeons... with new bosses mechanics.

But hey!  this would be a plan for the future! and Devellopers would anyway have quite some time to make all that happening, concidering leveling from 249 to 250 alone would take about 3000+ hours.

let me ask you one thing , did you ever play on irose ? if not then its sad becose pre evo was just plain to fast if you ask me compered to irose but lets just stop it there the ain reason i respond is you dont like the ide that you have to lvl for 6 month to get from lvl 1 to 230 ? if not then look at this and trust me not many have done this like i have and ask anyone that know me thay comfirm it

 

I have lvled solo 2 artisans from Lvl 1 to 230 + a 3rd one is on its way only reason i stop is becose my pc crash and burn every time i tray to start rose but ofcorse when my walking dead pc dont die it let me on  yey but yes my focus is to get rose a little more back to the old days where rose was little harder to lvl where you HAVE to go true all maps to lvl, THAT was the Rose i know THAT was the fun That was where all players party up and had fun speaking to enother will killing Grand Master Golem in gorge of silens oh my brother  testify, thats the truth thats R O S E O N L I N E as we old school players know it.....and thats is what i would like to see agen, its a dream i have and shure it might not ever happen but dreams is nice to have and thos that know what i speak of thay know the feeling in there heart

 

yes i would also love to see higher lvls and even new equpis and stuff but right now i hardly think we will see any of it any soon i also want to see the maps we already have get finnished same whit the planets and new planets but as we all know the devs has to do there things there own way in there own time but i guess we will see in time we just have to wait and see , for me i would love to see alot of things in this game some wont like it others would love it but thats oki i guess 

 

anyways thas all i have on my heart for now so have a nice day

 

 

 

regards MaxMan (Maximillian)

[Gojio]

pre evo was 2nd job at 70 btw Albe!

1 love. 

70 irose

100 pre-evo

 

;p

[bl0b]

Make the game harder?, that's fine. Make the game boring (via defence increase)?, absolutely not ok with that. Dungeons are boring, leveling isnt harder, it's boring( was always boring at higher levels, this just made it worse). Only now its impossible to level if you dont have a cleric to buff you because of the increased monster strenths. I miss the old days when buffs weren't a requirement, hell, I only discovered buffs when I reached 200 on my first char, a champ. I'de love the day when leveling required people to actually walk around and individually kill mobs instead of sitting in one spot and spinning, this way single target classes will atleast have a little use in leveling parties.

 

In short, scale mobs so that people that don't have access to cleric buffs are still able to play smoothly, imagine (while solo leveling) having to heal up after every monster kill, it'll be, Attack, sit, attack, attack, sit and cycle 542567621 times. 

 

Also, Refine event!!! don't you think its the  least you could do for patching the refine nerf earlier then it was supposed to be impemented and not telling anyone about it?

 

PS. Regarding previous posts, please read Feuer's signiture, Squipy's got a point. 

[thetrangdamvn]

I don't care about new contents or your making the game harder. What I care is the increase in player pool, the rise in the number of newcomers to ROSE (not new characters by veterans).

 

The sad truth is everyone here and by are talking about a server merge, and it is because the population is dwindling remarkably.

Remember the time when players have to wait for their turn to grind mobs in OT (the best spawn), now what? I was soloing in OT for a week, yes, all alone. :Like a zombie in a tomb:

 

 

ADVERTISE!

[Charas]

let me ask you one thing , did you ever play on irose ? if not then its sad becose pre evo was just plain to fast if you ask me compered to irose but lets just stop it there the ain reason i respond is you dont like the ide that you have to lvl for 6 month to get from lvl 1 to 230 ? if not then look at this and trust me not many have done this like i have and ask anyone that know me thay comfirm it

 

I have lvled solo 2 artisans from Lvl 1 to 230 + a 3rd one is on its way only reason i stop is becose my pc crash and burn every time i tray to start rose but ofcorse when my walking dead pc dont die it let me on  yey but yes my focus is to get rose a little more back to the old days where rose was little harder to lvl where you HAVE to go true all maps to lvl, THAT was the Rose i know THAT was the fun That was where all players party up and had fun speaking to enother will killing Grand Master Golem in gorge of silens oh my brother  testify, thats the truth thats R O S E O N L I N E as we old school players know it.....and thats is what i would like to see agen, its a dream i have and shure it might not ever happen but dreams is nice to have and thos that know what i speak of thay know the feeling in there heart

 

yes i would also love to see higher lvls and even new equpis and stuff but right now i hardly think we will see any of it any soon i also want to see the maps we already have get finnished same whit the planets and new planets but as we all know the devs has to do there things there own way in there own time but i guess we will see in time we just have to wait and see , for me i would love to see alot of things in this game some wont like it others would love it but thats oki i guess 

 

anyways thas all i have on my heart for now so have a nice day

 

 

 

regards MaxMan (Maximillian)

 

I did play irose betas,where max level was... 125 or 130 Ibelieve... It was incredibly grindy... the game was FULL with players... we had 1hours++ queue to enter the game servers.... but everything was so fun! temple was back then some kind of endgame pvp/farming map. This time was great.... but unfortunatly completly ruined by a hacker who called himself "Deebee".

 

Pre Evo wasn't that fast when it comes to leveling, players would need a good year to reach lvl 150 or 160+! but i do know how iROSE was more hardcore than Pre Evo was I know those time were fun... I do truely have the nostalgia of the old system... well... iROSE not that much... way too based on random luck, playing pvp was like playing with dices... but Pre Evo.... ohh my sweet sweet Pre Evo, you cannot imagine how many time I entered in google the research "Rose online pre evolution" hoping to see some results to it... unfortunatly it never happened (unless a mini project from... what was his name.. Kuro Tejima?). If NaROSE was to open a new server based on the skills and leveling system Pre Evo had, I would be the first to start on it!

 

But, it s also good to be realistic. If they were to raise the grinding requiered to level in this game.... nowadays, they would loose 70% of the player base... and would attract even less new players... and this is not something we want do we? The only fair way to do such a thing would be via a new server... were everyone start fresh and level within the same gaming environment... but would it be advisable to divide once again the community? I don't think so. So has much as I understand were you come from... I do not believe your dreams would become true.. but hey! this is no reason to give up on it

[Gojio]

I love you Vincent (no homo)

[VModCupcake]

There is entirely too much name calling and flaming going on around here and both sides are equally responsible. It has to stop. If this was a normal topic, it would have already been closed but since it's the patch notes, I am going to try to clean it up, hopefully without having to hide most of the thread  :/  Things got way out of hand very quickly here and that detracts from the constructive feedback that other players are giving or trying to give.

 

If you have a beef with another community member, work it out in private messages or in-game ... not in this topic. If you have something to contribute to this conversation, please do it without referring to anyone else.  Thank you.

[Charas]

There is entirely too much name calling and flaming going on around here and both sides are equally responsible. It has to stop. If this was a normal topic, it would have already been closed but since it's the patch notes, I am going to try to clean it up, hopefully without having to hide most of the thread  :/  Things got way out of hand very quickly here and that detracts from the constructive feedback that other players are giving or trying to give.

 

If you have a beef with another community member, work it out in private messages or in-game ... not in this topic. If you have something to contribute to this conversation, please do it without referring to anyone else.  Thank you.

 

How is you... upvoting typical bully style posts inviting players of this community to leave the game if they are unhappy with things, instead of giving their feedback and opinions, is helping in any way to bring peace within the community or encourage ppl to give positive feedbacks? I know you ll delete this post, but I would like you to think about it.

Edited by Charas, 28 October 2014 - 10:17 AM.

[VModCupcake]

How is you... upvoting typical bully style posts inviting players of theses community to leave the game if they are unhappy with things, instead of giving their feedback and opinions, is helping in any way to bring peace within the community or encourage ppl to give positive feedbacks? I know you ll delete this post, but I would like you to think about it.

I can't speak for other VMods, I can assure you that I did not "upvote" anything in this topic except Leo's first post with the patch notes.

 

It's fine to voice an opinion when you are unhappy with something but base the comment on your feelings only. Please do not refer to or involve another community member. When one person mentions another in a post, it causes the second person to feel defensive and that's what starts the kind of mess we had in this thread. 

[pdfisher]

I can't speak for other VMods, I can assure you that I did not "upvote" anything in this topic except Leo's first post with the patch notes.

 

It's fine to voice an opinion when you are unhappy with something but base the comment on your feelings only. Please do not refer to or involve another community member. When one person mentions another in a post, it causes the second person to feel defensive and that's what starts the kind of mess we had in this thread. 

 

Thank you VModCupcake. I for one agree with you. I have seen way too much name calling and flaming going on, and some of it is being done by Class Reps, which are supposed to know better. If you have a point to make, or an idea to share fine, but do it with respect. It is possible to disagree without being disrespectful.

[angeltje]

Thank you VModCupcake. I for one agree with you. I have seen way too much name calling and flaming going on, and some of it is being done by Class Reps, which are supposed to know better. If you have a point to make, or an idea to share fine, but do it with respect. It is possible to disagree without being disrespectful.

+ 1

 

also i wanna say i like that things get more challenging   

[Leeny]

I can't speak for other VMods, I can assure you that I did not "upvote" anything in this topic except Leo's first post with the patch notes.

 

It's fine to voice an opinion when you are unhappy with something but base the comment on your feelings only. Please do not refer to or involve another community member. When one person mentions another in a post, it causes the second person to feel defensive and that's what starts the kind of mess we had in this thread. 

 

Lol feuer...I actually enjoy reading flames between you and others now, it used to bother me but it's just too funny now

Edited by Leeny, 28 October 2014 - 04:30 PM.

[Feuer]

I'm glad someone is finally catching on xD Glad you enjoy Leena

[Leeny]

I'm glad someone is finally catching on xD Glad you enjoy Leena

 

Lol, you sir are the most hilarious person in forums. Can I just say this, Please just put these new sets on hold an work on merging servers first! I personally think that should come before all this craziness people are asking/suggesting the DEVS should do. SERVER MERGE WOULD MAKE EVERYONE 1000000x happier than all this other work that would take DEVS ALONG TIME to do! Shazzy left so their team is smaller! I imagine they may hire someone else to fill shazzys job but still. SERVER MERGE COMES FIIRRRSSTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!! Thats all. Carry on feuer with your convos with others i love it lol