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[Kadelia]

If anyone wants to know what score I gave them (And my notes about the entry), private message me and tell me which picture was yours and I will reply there.

Edited by Jaye, 16 December 2014 - 04:20 PM.

[Myzery]

Yeah, I think posting the scores would go a long way with this.

[fuyukikun]

shame i didnt win

[Sapphic]

You are all free to PM the judges for your scores and their reasoning behind it (though it's up to the judges!)

 

Krit lost out by .4 to tie for third.

 

If you thought it was so poorly thought out I do not know why I had no feedback from you about it in the feedback thread

[Myzery]

Because everyone thought it was Oda judging at first, but you decided mid way through to change the rules.

 

If there's no bias here, post all the scores.

 

Edited by Myzery, 16 December 2014 - 06:01 PM.

[Facekiller]

i gave feedback in THIS thread right after everything changed after i submitted my work... next time decide on rules and judges and everything BEFORE you announce the contest and then stick to the rules you set in the beginning...

[Kadelia]

I'm offering to tell scores to people because I don't expect any credible claim of bias to be leveled at me. I didn't just record a score, I gave a reason for each one in each of the 3 categories, so I can review my notes if anyone has questions.

 

I think I gave everybody a fair shake. I was pretty critical of people's submissions because there wasn't a lot of wiggle room to pick a winner otherwise. Else there'd be a 35-way tie for first place. I didn't just give people points if the picture was funny. The rules expressly said the picture didn't count. So I can see why a few people are surprised the picture that garners the most laughs didn't get the best creative writing score.

Edited by Jaye, 16 December 2014 - 07:25 PM.

[KiyokoHasami]

I want to know my scores, PM me!

[Kadelia]

I want to know my scores, PM me!

 

 

 

If anyone wants to know what score I gave them (And my notes about the entry), private message me and tell me which picture was yours and I will reply there.

 

 

[ZeroTigress]

Yes, feel free to PM me for your scores as well.

Although I'm not opposed to posting my scores here either since I'd like to know who I'm biased against.

[Tigra]

Always so much drama after winners are posted

I think the judges did well based on the rules stated in the first post. My only gripe is that I think this was meant to be a sort of quick and easy contest, so maybe the prize was a bit too lavish. Something like costume EWEs might have been more appropriate. But it doesn't really matter. I liked the entries. Congrats.

[Xellie]

Just post the scores publicly.

[Sapphic]

Then perhaps a PM then would've been appropriate. I apologize Facekiller, since you were the majority affected, but I could not offer much.

[bloodyrascal]

Congratulations to all the winners. They are well deserved. When the entries were posted, I picked my favourites. Most of the winners were in that list. So it's not surprising and indeed, the judges have done a fabulous job. Really, great job guys!

Those who think that the judges have been biased towards to some players, should definitely feel sorry for themselves.
mean, why would one volunteer for something like this and waste one's time? If one does volunteer then one has wished to do so selflessly and in the interest of the community. Please respect that.

As a participant, I would request everyone to take this in the right spirit. For winners to be winners, someone has to lose.

Once again, thank you Sapphic for hosting such a wonderful event. Thank you to the judges, ZeroTigress, Jaye, NoxiousOrchid and Hoikarnage. And, once again, congratulations to the winners.

[Xellie]

Congratulations to all the winners. They are well deserved. When the entries were posted, I picked my favourites. Most of the winners were in that list. So it's not surprising and indeed, the judges have done a fabulous job. Really, great job guys!

Those who think that the judges have been biased towards to some players, should definitely feel sorry for themselves.
mean, why would one volunteer for something like this and waste one's time? If one does volunteer then one has wished to do so selflessly and in the interest of the community. Please respect that.

As a participant, I would request everyone to take this in the right spirit. For winners to be winners, someone has to lose.

Once again, thank you Sapphic for hosting such a wonderful event. Thank you to the judges, ZeroTigress, Jaye, NoxiousOrchid and Hoikarnage. And, once again, congratulations to the winners.

 

I had to deliberately submit as anon because at least one of those individuals is an extremely biased individual and I would rather they had nothing to do with anything. There's a lot of history there and tbh, people will jump to volunteer for stuff like that just to be "involved".

 

It's a good system, I just highly dislike some of the choices.

Edited by Xellie, 16 December 2014 - 09:01 PM.

[ZeroTigress]

Judging anonymous entries is actually the best way to approach this. I didn't know which entry belonged to whom (even forgot which one was Facekiller's) so my judging felt pretty sterile.

[NoxiousOrchid]

I'd prefer if all the scores were just posted on here.  I don't spend a whole lot of time on the forum so I would prefer not spending half of it going over my notes every time someone wants to ask.  I only offered to judge if there was a lack of people volunteering.

[hoikarnage]

I want to make it clear that I based my scores on the writing, as this was purely a writing contest. Images were not taken into account. I was adamant from the start about that.

 

Also, I stayed away from this thread and only used the links that I was sent for judging, so even now, I still don't know which submission belongs to who, and I plan to keep it that way.

 

Here are the exact scores I sent Sapphic. If you feel I judged you too harshly, don't take it personally. I didn't take anyones feelings into account, I judged based on the guidelines set in the contest rules.

 

I'm not even sorry if you don't like how I scored. If you don't like it you can always go back to Oda's eccentric scoring method, but he judges based admittedly on his personal taste, and rarely the guidelines set forth by the contest organizers.

 

(here is the link Sapphic sent the judges, which is conveniently numbered: http://imgur.com/a/DKoXg#0)

 

1.) 2 The dreaded creamy seems like too obvious a choice. Every new player is warned about the creamy.

     3 It's witty, just doesn't seem that clever

     5 follows the rules though.

 

2.) 2 not exactly a risky choice

     1 I don't see any wit

     5 follows the rules

 

3.) 3 Not too risky but not too obvious.

     4 I enjoyed the description

     5 Followed the rules

 

4.) 4 Nice choice. Not everyone will recognize this NPC which makes it an above average candidate

     4 Good attempt at wit

     5 Followed the rules

 

5.) 3 Risky (because it's a CM) but also obvious (because everyone likes to pick on CMs)

     3 Slightly witty, though not really accurate (we get too many events imo lol)

     4 Follows rules, but I knocked a point off because a CM is not really RO related.*edit, the point was given back after Sapphic said that CM's are fair game

 

6.) 1 Poring just seems way too obvious.

     3 The attempt was made, but it's not that interesting imo.

     5 Follows the rules

 

7.) 4 Nice out of the box choice.

     5 Excellent attempt at wit

     5 Follows the rules

 

8.) 4 Good choice

     4 Interesting story

     4 Seems like a paragraph to me, which is against the rules. Not exactly short and to the point.

 

9.) 4 Interesting choice

     3 Not that witty

     5 Follows the rules

 

10.) 5 Out of the box choice!

       5 Pretty Witty

       5 follows the rules

 

11.) 2 Most common noc in the game probably

       2 Not really interesting or amusing

       4 More of a personal ad than a wanted poster

 

12.) 3 I wouldn't call it a risky choice

       3 Meh

       5 Follows the rules

 

13.) 4 Not risky but not obvious

       3 meh

       5 Follows the rules

 

14.) 5 Good choice

       5 interesting, unique description

       5 Follows the rules

 

15.) 3 Interesting choice of NpC

       3 odd description

       5 Follows the rules

 

16.) 3 Confusing choice, but I guess it's out of the box. Not really in the lore of iRO though

       4 Interesting description

       2 Not really in the spirit of a wanted poster

 

17.) 3 

       3

       4

 

18.) 3 not really out of the box.

       2 Kind of boring

       5 Follows the rules

 

19.) 3

       4 

       5

 

20.) 3

       4

       5

 

21.) 5 Good choice, something different!

       5 Good, interesting description

       5 Follows rules

 

22.) 2 Kind of a boring choice

       3 meh

       5 Follows rules

     

23.) 4 A monster most people probably would not have thought of

       3 description is kind of bleh

       5 Follows rules

 

24.) 4 odd choice, but thinking outside the box

       3 Emps dont kill people, people kill people.

       5 follows rules

 

25.) 4 good choice

       4 good description

       5 follows rules

 

26.) 5 decent choice, keeps up with lore

       4 Short and sweet, I like it

       5 follows rules

 

27.) 3 Not that risky

       3 predictable description

       5 follows rules

 

28.) 5 Good choice

       5 I enjoyed the description

       5 follows rules

 

29.) 2 Boo, another kafra

       2 I got bored reading it

       3 Definitely not short and to the point.

     

30.) 3 Ok choice, but not that risky

       3 meh

       5 follows rules

 

31.) 4 Interesting choice

       3 Hard to read description

       5 follows rules

 

32.) 2 Bleh, picking an mvp is boring

       2 not impressed with description

       5 follows rules

 

33.) 4 different

       3 meh

       5 follows rules

 

34.) 3 

       3

       4 Description is a bit long.

 

35.) 4 Interesting choice

       3 ok description

       5 follows rules

 

Edited by hoikarnage, 17 December 2014 - 02:14 AM.

[AlmrOfAtlas]

I told Sapphic mine would be hard to read if the thumbnail was used for judging so I linked a full size copy and PMed about it. Was told that would be fine.

 

Ended up being judged on the thumbnail.

 

Judge said it was hard to read.

 

[hoikarnage]

I told Sapphic mine would be hard to read if the thumbnail was used for judging so I linked a full size copy and PMed about it. Was told that would be fine.

 

Ended up being judged on the thumbnail.

 

Judge said it was hard to read.

 

 

I didn't see any thumbnail. The hard to read part was a comment on the font, but that's not why you received a three in that category. 

 

Your submission simply wasn't clever or creative. You just took the exact story concerning Tristan Gaeblog III and asked people to go find him.

 

You may as well have said, "Poring: Wanted for looting players."

 

Again, nothing personal, everyone was anonymous to me.

 

I have a feeling posting my scores will make a lot of people dislike me, but screw it. I'm all for full disclosure.

Edited by hoikarnage, 17 December 2014 - 02:05 AM.

[AlmrOfAtlas]

I didn't see any thumbnail. The hard to read part was a comment on the font, but that's not why you received a three in that category. 

 

Your submission simply wasn't clever or creative. You just took the exact story concerning Tristan Gaeblog III and asked people to go find him.

 

You may as well have said, "Poring: Wanted for looting players."

 

Again, nothing personal, everyone was anonymous to me.

 

I have a feeling posting my scores will make a lot of people dislike me, but screw it. I'm all for full disclosure.

 

Oh well 

 

Gotta do better next time.

[hoikarnage]

Oh well 

 

Gotta do better next time.

 

You did get an extra point in the first category because you picked a character not many people would have thought to pic.

[Kadelia]

I told Sapphic mine would be hard to read if the thumbnail was used for judging so I linked a full size copy and PMed about it. Was told that would be fine.

 

Ended up being judged on the thumbnail.

 

Judge said it was hard to read.

 

 

I think it did suffer from the thumbnail, because it was hard to read. However;

 

If yours was the one I think it was, it was too long/wordy and hard to read, so it lost technical points. The rules specicailly said don't write a paragraph-long story, to just stick to a brief explanation to make the posters quick to read and understandable, and a few people broke that rule, so unfortunately I took off points because I interpreted your letter from captain of the guard as violating that rule.

 

#31
Creativity/Concept: 5 - interesting and unique topic
Appeal: 4 - uses RO lore effectively, but is somewhat dry.
Technical: 3 - difficult to read, too wordy
Average: 4 / 5

 

I had to deliberately submit as anon because at least one of those individuals is an extremely biased individual and I would rather they had nothing to do with anything. There's a lot of history there and tbh, people will jump to volunteer for stuff like that just to be "involved".

 

It's a good system, I just highly dislike some of the choices.

 

Interestingly, that is kind of how I feel about you, and I significantly doubt anyone involved in this panel matches your description, so I'd outright bring your judgement into question on that matter alone. Honestly, it is obvious you are projecting. Since you are biased against an individual you assume they can be only biased toward you.

Edited by Jaye, 17 December 2014 - 04:02 AM.

[AlmrOfAtlas]

This is all really good feedback to consider. Too bad the scores weren't made public by default.

[Myzery]

I made mine with the assumption Oda was going to be judging and didn't go back and redo it even though we had the chance.

The judges have been super nice though and I can really appreciate their honesty. Big props to Tame for just putting his honesty out there.

Constructive criticism can go a long way.

 

Almr, if it makes you feel any better, yours was beautiful.

 

Some of my friends who don't play RO loved it from a looks point of view.

 

 

 

I should have spoken up form the start though. This had me puzzled on why you would judge a poster with writing.

Even on those classroom or workplace motivational posters, you notice the silly kitten handing from a wire or whatever other cute animal or scene.