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[Themes]

Awesome! Thanks Oda.

 

So with a finite number of hats how much room do we have spare right now?

 

Can you also look into using the Ghost MVP mobs for your events? I dont think there's too many situations where people will be farming the spawns of some of those. There's obviously some which you dont want to touch (Valk) but this should free you guys up a bunch more space for new content!

[Xellie]

is the monster limitation sprites or data?

[Rang]

From a non-elite/semi-casual/PvM-minded perspective, having non-instanced access to Nyd Garb is incredibly bias towards the "elite" and virtually limits access to the select few on this server who will have a monopoly on it if it were implemented in the same format as Valk Randgris and Satan Morroc.

 

You are denying 95% of the server from experiencing the content which should be equally available for everyone.

 

The original implementation (instanced, quest-driven, lengthy cooldown, etc) was perfect and allowed a wider variety of players to participate and enjoy this portion of the end-game.

 

This effects me on a personal level because the anticipation of exploring and experiencing the Nidhogger Dungeon is essentially all that has been keeping me playing this server. If you take this away from people like me, who just want to experience all that this game has to offer, and give it to those few who have the luxury to camp a spawn every time it's up thus denying anyone else on the entire server from essentially playing this game...then I just don't know what to say.

 

Please, PLEASE do not implement this in a fashion that denies most of the server from playing and enjoying this server. Please, if at all possible, implement this as it was meant to be. If that is impossible: Please at least keep it instanced as to allow everyone on the server an equal opportunity to experience this game to the fullest.

 

tl;dr: Non-instanced Nyd Garb means only a handful of people get to participate. Please at least keep Nyd Garb accessible via instance. 

[Xellie]

perhaps the staff should research the current mvp loot drops locations and the methods used to kill morroc/valk before falling into the same trap.

kRO moved away from world mvps for a reason. Whilst those are good on short spawns, the long spawn mvps are problematic on a low population server with regards to competition (it'll be 1~2 parties max, assuming they compete and not share), timezones are an issue and I think most of us are too old to get up at 5am to mvp  now.

 

 

[CastleDrops]

AlmrOfAtlas kind of what Rang says above lol. Make thing available to everyone so they have a opportunity at stuff. Don't pigeon hole things so that only a couple people get to experience these kinds of things. A world super MVP I'm completely against. On the instance side I don't know, I haven't made up my mind lol.

[Gn1ydnu]

I whole heartily agree with the instance, if it is possible. 

 

If not then putting it in like the other MVPs would be the next best option so that the gear is at least in the game. 

 

The only thing I personally dislike about instances is the potential for massive abuse. Look at endless tower for example. 

[Xellie]

They can make a new mvp  for a separate thing, who cares about that. Just leave nyd instance in, it's fun and a lot of people already prepped chars and gear for it.

[Oda]

is the monster limitation sprites or data?

 

We can tell the client to use any sprite, including those from renewal for any monster that exists. We can't create a new monster because the game does not know where to look for the sprite. On renewal, there is less "baked in" to the games exe so those are easier to modify. On Classic we can't expand the list of monsters/headgear/maptypes without a developer building a new one for us. 

[Gn1ydnu]

So, to clarify. Is it possible to implement the exact Nid Quest as it was before? 

[Oda]

We'd have to test, but there is no reason to think it would not work. 

[Gn1ydnu]

Any estimated time on when it would/could be implemented?

[Xellie]

We can tell the client to use any sprite, including those from renewal for any monster that exists. We can't create a new monster because the game does not know where to look for the sprite. On renewal, there is less "baked in" to the games exe so those are easier to modify. On Classic we can't expand the list of monsters/headgear/maptypes without a developer building a new one for us. 

 

Ok, so the ghost mob thing should work then. You also have monsters like pouring/bombring and I'm sure there are many other unused monsters you can dig into.

 

I don't see any problem with just having LOD spawn "normal" mobs and using those ghost monsters too. LOD would be trash exp anyway sooo is it an option?
 

[AlmrOfAtlas]

Seriously what the hell is with the "everybody wins" attitude of game design nowadays. Give me Everquest back ;_;

[Xellie]

Seriously what the hell is with the "everybody wins" attitude of game design nowadays. Give me Everquest back ;_;

 

Seriously what the hell is with the "take good content and eff it up" attitude of players nowadays.

[aulbath]

no more challenge dungeon? was there a warning?

[Oda]

Yes, we will bring back the challenge dungeon next month with a holiday theme. 

[iamvrypwrful]

From a non-elite/semi-casual/PvM-minded perspective, having non-instanced access to Nyd Garb is incredibly bias towards the "elite" and virtually limits access to the select few on this server who will have a monopoly on it if it were implemented in the same format as Valk Randgris and Satan Morroc.

 

You are denying 95% of the server from experiencing the content which should be equally available for everyone.

 

 

agreed

[Xellie]

Yes, we will bring back the challenge dungeon next month with a holiday theme. 

 

This better be a joke.

[Necrohealiac]

the nid quest doesn't even fully work on renewal (cannot complete final step); would be interesting to see if it works properly on classic.

[Inubashiri]

This better be a joke.