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#1 RyuMax02

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Posted 08 December 2014 - 08:54 PM

i want to try out for INT/VIT Warrior because want to become hybrid War but most recommended me to go AGI/INT for DPS...

I prefer having more defense and HP (35k HP for ML23) while having full INT for crit..

what you guys opinion?


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#2 Arbalist

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Posted 08 December 2014 - 09:04 PM

Do it. AGI gives a terrible bonus, especially for Warrior. Even full AGI only gets 325 extra crit, which is still pretty low when you are in end-game armor. 

Crit formula if you want to do calculations:
Critical Success Rate = Critical/(0.02*Critical+40)


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Posted 08 December 2014 - 10:46 PM

You never put agi at all on a warrior, agi is merely "nice to have" on warriors.

 

Do you know that union costume headgear that gives +300 crit? it only gives me about 1% crit rate, yes, that's 300 agi for you.

If you spent all that on int or vit, you will gain more.


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Posted 08 December 2014 - 11:35 PM

the fact that they said AGI is better is quite weird to me..maybe before ML when not playing INT..

some people also that INT/VIT is more PVP focus..

so how to get higher crit?like almost 100k rage strike or something


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Posted 08 December 2014 - 11:36 PM

you get more int to hit higher crit dmg


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Posted 08 December 2014 - 11:51 PM

so after get full 100 int, i need to put INT rune to armor, weapon, costume and accesories?

any other ways?


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Posted 08 December 2014 - 11:53 PM

I have 1k Int.

 

My crit on pre-ML mobs go around 210k-250k

 

Crit on Osiris mobs, proper element, 210k-250k.

 

Crit on DWU, no element bonus, 60k + - 

 

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Posted 08 December 2014 - 11:58 PM

Some tips to reach 1k int:

5x Sand Mane Leader card - 180

Himm Access - 217 (not including 1.5% bonus yet on your total)

Say, +5 int runes on all gears except acces - 60

Stats - 325

Base int - I forgot how much, but mine is around 50 after removing all my gears

 

That's a total of 832 int, try to get the rest with:

Honing

Higher Int runes

Accessory int runes

Costume Runes

 

I reached 1k easily because I have costumes and a 100 int honed greatsword.

 

(Sorry, forgot to edit previous post to put these in)


Edited by Lostac, 08 December 2014 - 11:59 PM.

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Posted 09 December 2014 - 12:29 AM

If anybody is recommending AGI for warriors it's either a pre-AoV build or those people obviously have not tried AGI on warriors themselves. AGI is absolutely worthless on a warrior compared to INT or VIT. INT is good for both PvP and PvE since more INT = more dmg = faster kills and higher threat. VIT for PvE is useless since PvE contents are extremely nerfed and with a decent heal skill/pet you can solo (almost) anything even with -_- HP. For PvP though, VIT is very helpful for not getting one shotted or dying from DoTs in 5 secs... I'm personally a 100% INT build, I make up for lack of HP with vigor to knock down enemies quickly and fast rotation on Tension Relax. If it wasn't for my high vigor I probably would lean more towards VIT than INT though. If you would like to discuss warrior builds and tips more in detail feel free to message me on forums or in game. I play on Odin btw, in case you go trying to find me on Freyja haha :P
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Posted 09 December 2014 - 04:54 AM

IMO, VIT might not be that useful either. A warrior gets 13HP per point, so allocating 300pts on VIT results in +3900 HP before other buffs. Of course, Aura Armor, VIP and guild bonus raise that as well, but in total you won't survive that much longer against the current DoTs (at best 1 more tick)... and it won't protect you against one-shots (I've seen 60k+).

 

I also not so sure about Tension Relax, but you might be better at PvP. My fights never lasted that long (either way) that I could sum up enough rage points to not use them for Rage Strike, but Tension Relax.... and it surely wasn't important whether the cooldown is 120sec or 70sec. I use pots to heal myself.

 

Vigor is essential though.

 


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Posted 09 December 2014 - 02:05 PM

IMO, VIT might not be that useful either. A warrior gets 13HP per point, so allocating 300pts on VIT results in +3900 HP before other buffs. Of course, Aura Armor, VIP and guild bonus raise that as well, but in total you won't survive that much longer against the current DoTs (at best 1 more tick)... and it won't protect you against one-shots (I've seen 60k+).

 

In a 1v1 situation it may not be as effective, but in a group PvP situation it can go a long ways having extra HP.  Also a full VIT warrior will most likely invest more than just that bonus stat points into VIT.  The +325 stats alone will only yield you 4225 extra HP on a warrior, but the bonus stats are only a portion of what you can tweak on any character's build.  Fully buffed, a full VIT warrior can easily have 10-15k more HP than an full INT build warrior.  Having 65k-70k will save you from getting one shotted long as you're not fighting a P2W assassin haha

 

I also not so sure about Tension Relax, but you might be better at PvP. My fights never lasted that long (either way) that I could sum up enough rage points to not use them for Rage Strike, but Tension Relax.... and it surely wasn't important whether the cooldown is 120sec or 70sec. I use pots to heal myself.

 

Yes, unless I'm fighting a bear, 1v1 my fights will only last long enough for me to use TR once or twice with most people.  When I say PvP though, I'm keeping in mind ALL PvP, not just 1v1.  Tension Relax saves me in colo and WoE very often, especially since I don't have very high HP.  As for racking up enough rage, my vigor is high enough that I can battle leap somebody, pummel them, and battle leap them again before they can do anything.  If I don't miss my first Battle Leap I can rack up max rage before they even hit me in most fights :P 

 

Vigor is essential though.

Vigor is the new AGI, best stat in game IMO.  I have vigor honed on every piece of gear and I rehone until I have a at least two lines of vigor on everything.


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Posted 09 December 2014 - 03:18 PM

@ VIT:

Well, as I've said. 60k for a single Cross Impact isn't that uncommon. And this doesn't include the follow-up attacks. So even if you reach 65~70k, you usually forgo other things like vigor, etc. So you might be harder to kill, but at least in WoE, players will get used to that; you get known as the "hard to kill, but otherwise harmless" guy and a single guild skill will still ruin your day.

 

@ Tension Relax:

I doubt that you have such a high vigor rate in Colo that you can get a Leap+Pommel+Leap combo going... unless there's a trick I don't know. And if you do so in WoE and you're lucky to hit 2+ opponents with a single Battle Leap, you're still miles away from a Tension Relax that's worth it. The additional Pommel Strike doesn't make it much better and single pot would easily outbest it (and I assume you would use the points for Rage Strike in such a case).

 

The "longer fights" I know during WoE usually happen when no side can truly step ahead. And since Warriors are lacking a ranged attack, there isn't much hope to build up and keep rage points. But well, I'm not a PvP expert. Even during PvE, I rarely use TR and often wished I could reskill my char.


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Posted 09 December 2014 - 04:11 PM

i rarely do pvp unless someone practically begging me to do it.

WoE is not my kind of game but i rarely lost in pvp when not lag..

Vit does play a big role for me in term of defense..good when soloing dungeon or solo tank in raid..

higher Vit means higher pots effect right..

I know a monk who goes full vit which has 10k - 20k hp higher than anyone but rarely lost in pvp too..

 

tension relax is essential for warrior..given at any situations..can't expect anyone to keep healing you..


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Posted 09 December 2014 - 05:17 PM

Yes, I had my tension relax at 4/6 though I want it to be 6/6.

 

Doing DWU/DWL quests solo with it helped a lot, since i could drag 6 monsters or more and just leap + summon willow + TR and do whatever I want.

 

Yes, vit helps with tension relax percentage healing of course and pots.

 

At least, I would say tension relax is always better than berserk 5/5, >IMO<.


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Posted 10 December 2014 - 03:17 AM

Maybe you play a different game than I do.

 

The truth is that I am more than 20k away from having 65k HP. But still, receiving 60k or more damage from a single hit isn't such a rare thing... and it's not just me. Other players I know mention the same thing and if my Rage Strike hits, it's not that different either. That's why I'm not even tempted to max. VIT instead. At best, I'd die with the second strike.

 

It's also mysterious to me, how others sum up the rage points for a Tension Relax. Rage Strike has almost the same cooldown as Battle Leap (12sec vs. 9sec). That's why I usually spend the Battle Leap rage points for Rage Strike. In addition, I consider "doing DWU quests solo" a rather exceptional case and never felt the necessity to do that. So no need to have TR just for that. In all the other situations, I either have teammates, use heal pet or simply use pots.

 

So, I really don't know what game you're playing... but it must be a different one than mine.

 

Edit: See highlighted part


Edited by Greven79, 11 December 2014 - 03:14 AM.

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Posted 10 December 2014 - 10:53 PM

 

Maybe you play a different game than I do.
 
So, I really don't know what game you're playing... but it must be a different one than mine.
 

Because the thread starter mentioned these, where he might love doing solo runs, etc:

 


i rarely do pvp unless someone practically begging me to do it.
WoE is not my kind of game but i rarely lost in pvp when not lag.
Vit does play a big role for me in term of defense..good when soloing dungeon or solo tank in raid..
 

Tension Relax is helpful in those situations, with the possibility of it being quite handy in pvp


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Posted 11 December 2014 - 03:54 AM

First of all, I edited my last post... the old version didn't make much sense. I apologize.
 

Because the thread starter mentioned these, where he might love doing solo runs, etc:

Tension Relax is helpful in those situations, with the possibility of it being quite handy in pvp

 

You're right. My replies were more an answer to donchan's statements.

 

So sure, if "Vit does play a big role for me in term of defense..good when soloing dungeon or solo tank in raid.." is the important part, than there's no reason not to max. vitality and/or Tension Relax. One note though: There is hardly any dungeon that requires you to do so. My Willow Worker is  usually enough to 'solo' most of them, hence the missing vitality. I also bet that it's faster farming Osiris, Chaos, etc. this way (INT build).

 

For the usual party grind, I'd suggest an INT build as well.

 

But there's no real argument not to go for vitality, if that's the preferred play style.


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Posted 11 December 2014 - 01:59 PM

Okay, I just started playing RO2 today, and I foudn warrior to spike my intrest, I am currently level 6, and have no idea about the leveling system, whats the stats to go if I want to build a Int/Vit build?


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Posted 11 December 2014 - 02:47 PM

Go with full int, later on adjust your vit through runes when you feel the need to.

 

My personal aim is 1k int, I started mixing up vit runes on my gear after that.


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