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[MugenIttouRyu]

IBTL

[Maronu]

I find the people botting for medals annoying as well. Recording it and perhaps talking a bit, while all the host does is spam f1 without kicking, should provide solid proof, and hopefully get these people banned. It's even more ridiculous that people don't lock their rooms when they run their bots. I guess they want the entire server to know that they bot for pvp matches. If even people who are this careless can get away with breaking the rules, that is truly sad.

[Misuu]

It's even more ridiculous that people don't lock their rooms when they run their bots. I guess they want the entire server to know that they bot for pvp matches.

lol .... seriously? I guess you dont get it maronu... Disappointing...

[CHiSEEN]

You deserve a medal for being one of the very few who actually gets it.

Also, their*

grammar

edit* lol it bleeped it out so lemme say it again:

you grammar national socialist german workers' party person.

Edited by CHiSEEN, 18 November 2010 - 02:44 PM.

[Devikn]

Alright i'm not here to defend any of these who create free rooms to spam endless battles with whoever wants to fight them.

The title of this thread is useless, the content shows a truth.

Now just tell me why we all bother for these people creating Rooms to earn their PvP Medals, the room is just there, with the title announcing what it means "Free DM Kills, Free Elim Kills, Free PvP Kills" (You can have check the screenshots that Yurai posted), Now if you enter in these and expect them to actually fight for real with you, then THAT is senseless, its worst than spamming your F1 key and fighting anyone who joins the room.

Now, tell me, how can you actually proof they are bots (I'm not here to defend them, I hate bots, but actual bots that KS you in game and take huge advantage earning EXP and getting items/drops from monsters)

If they are or not using Bots, nobody can prove, and actually a bot is:

"Bots, are software applications that run automated tasks over the Internet. Typically, bots perform tasks that are both simple and structurally repetitive, at a much higher rate than would be possible for a human alone." (Wikipedia)

Now if I just pick up a heavy object, and place it on my F1 key, and go AFK to do anything else I need to, without using the computer (Being AFK), create a room and leave it there, does that makes me a bot? RoBOTs, are softwares, using a heavy object to hold your F1 key, since PvP rooms allows you to spam START as a host, is being SMART and not a Bot.

Of course, I know how annoying it is to go into PvP looking for a battle and noticing the free rooms are all about these F1-Spammers wanting medals, but why to bother? Does PvP has a Max Cap for rooms? No. Are they taking any room space? No. So, concerning about it is just bull..., you can complain it with your friends and all, but coming to forum requesting them to be banned for doing such thing, that is lack of anything else to do. That won't stop anyone from making a room like before or you from creating a room and calling your friends or whoever to participate.

Now I know why Yurai has 1101 posts. (And I remember you from just posting on my thread saying it was unreadable)

This is just my opnion, didn't mean to offend anyone here and of course, don't want to start any flame war.

<Edit> Oh yeah, and I've heard rumors about how some players got their 1,000 PvP medals from a bug, on the first day the game went on Phase 2 testing (If i'm not wrong) and earned 1,000 PvP medals with a single battle, so I don't see anything unfair out there with the F1-Spammers. <Edit/>

Peace

Edited by Devikn, 18 November 2010 - 03:27 PM.

[ImDiene]

Alright i'm not here to defend any of these who create free rooms to spam endless battles with whoever wants to fight them.

The title of this thread is useless, the content shows a truth.

Now just tell me why we all bother for these people creating Rooms to earn their PvP Medals, the room is just there, with the title announcing what it means "Free DM Kills, Free Elim Kills, Free PvP Kills" (You can have check the screenshots that Yurai posted), Now if you enter in these and expect them to actually fight for real with you, then THAT is senseless, its worst than spamming your F1 key and fighting anyone who joins the room.

Now, tell me, how can you actually proof they are bots (I'm not here to defend them, I hate bots, but actual bots that KS you in game and take huge advantage earning EXP and getting items/drops from monsters)

If they are or not using Bots, nobody can prove, and actually a bot is:

"Bots, are software applications that run automated tasks over the Internet. Typically, bots perform tasks that are both simple and structurally repetitive, at a much higher rate than would be possible for a human alone." (Wikipedia)

Now if I just pick up a heavy object, and place it on my F1 key, and go AFK to do anything else I need to, without using the computer (Being AFK), create a room and leave it there, does that makes me a bot? RoBOTs, are softwares, using a heavy object to hold your F1 key, since PvP rooms allows you to spam START as a host, is being SMART and not a Bot.

Of course, I know how annoying it is to go into PvP looking for a battle and noticing the free rooms are all about these F1-Spammers wanting medals, but why to bother? Does PvP has a Max Cap for rooms? No. Are they taking any room space? No. So, concerning about it is just bull..., you can complain it with your friends and all, but coming to forum requesting them to be banned for doing such thing, that is lack of anything else to do. That won't stop anyone from making a room like before or you from creating a room and calling your friends or whoever to participate.

Now I know why Yurai has 1101 posts. (And I remember you from just posting on my thread saying it was unreadable)

This is just my opnion, didn't mean to offend anyone here and of course, don't want to start any flame war.

<Edit> Oh yeah, and I've heard rumors about how some players got their 1,000 PvP medals from a bug, on the first day the game went on Phase 2 testing (If i'm not wrong) and earned 1,000 PvP medals with a single battle, so I don't see anything unfair out there with the F1-Spammers. <Edit/>

Peace

As already mentioned, holding F1 (or placing a rock on top if it) will only register once and, therefore, will not result in the spamming of F1 seen in those rooms. -__-

And your edit was not a bug. -___- They already played 1000+ pvp matches in THQ and just needed one more match for it to register with the new medals. *facepalm*

[Maronu]

Now, tell me, how can you actually proof they are bots

Try talking in one of the room and watch your text disappear as it is replaced by the message "must be ready to start" faster than someone can actually press f1. Do this several times and record it. You have proof. Also, if the person was actually there they would respond or kick you.

Also, pretty sure that most MMO companies define botting as using anything that allows you to make progress in the game without actually playing. By that definition, putting a rock on your key and going afk would be botting; however, diene already pointed out that that is not what these people are doing, and that they are using some sort of software or program if they are afk.

Edited by Maronu, 18 November 2010 - 03:56 PM.

[canajew]

I gotta ask who p-.-ed in your cornflakes?
Seriously though how does having these people spam f1 for losses affect you in any way shape or form? It's not like they are botting to acquire souls for profit thus decreasing the market value of souls. Really them doing this affects you in no way shape or form, it's not like all of a sudden from getting 1000 losses they're going to magically get +20 full bone gear. They are trying to get a medal which gives decent stats and they probably do it more so for the ap, which imo is a ridiculous amount anyways. It's not like we can only have 10 pvp rooms open at a time, so this in no way shape or form affects the pvp population. Even if these people wanted to get the medal by legitimate means I doubt they could because of our extremely low population and even lower pvp population.

tl'dr WHY DO YOU CARE? Run out of things to complain about? Just bored and want to annoy others? Btw I'm one of the ones go achieved this medal by legitimate means by pvping my life away back on thq.

[Tundra]

grammar

edit* lol it bleeped it out so lemme say it again:

you grammar national socialist german workers' party person.

You deserve another medal for adorable wording.

[MugenIttouRyu]

[Yurai]

I gotta ask who p-.-ed in your cornflakes?
Seriously though how does having these people spam f1 for losses affect you in any way shape or form? It's not like they are botting to acquire souls for profit thus decreasing the market value of souls. Really them doing this affects you in no way shape or form, it's not like all of a sudden from getting 1000 losses they're going to magically get +20 full bone gear. They are trying to get a medal which gives decent stats and they probably do it more so for the ap, which imo is a ridiculous amount anyways. It's not like we can only have 10 pvp rooms open at a time, so this in no way shape or form affects the pvp population. Even if these people wanted to get the medal by legitimate means I doubt they could because of our extremely low population and even lower pvp population.

tl'dr WHY DO YOU CARE? Run out of things to complain about? Just bored and want to annoy others? Btw I'm one of the ones go achieved this medal by legitimate means by pvping my life away back on thq.

Once again, all this post shows is the acknowledgment of such botters in the game. As for the bolded, it's the best possible medal you can get in the game, so decent is quite an understatement.

[Wobinar]

This
funny


Edit: added "funny" word to avoid misunderstanding :3

Edited by Wobinar, 19 November 2010 - 12:05 AM.

[Taomang]

<Edit> Oh yeah, and I've heard rumors about how some players got their 1,000 PvP medals from a bug, on the first day the game went on Phase 2 testing (If i'm not wrong) and earned 1,000 PvP medals with a single battle, so I don't see anything unfair out there with the F1-Spammers. <Edit/>

Peace

That is not a bug. A lot of the medals are retroactive. Since the NA version didnt have a normal transition of Veil of Darkness > Paris Strikes Back, it is no wonder no one knows anything about this patch.
I have been preparing for this job change since June (after i job changed on gPotato) because i knew which medals will count after PSB, which ones would be deleted, and which ones to get after PSB.

When it comes to botting, it is clear that botting is against the rules of the game. THERE IS A BOT CHECK HELLO!?!?!!!! You know that thing when it says HI IM COLIN AND I NEED YOUR HELP. PLEASE CLICK ON THE NUMBER HOW MANY Fs THERE ARE IN THIS RAINBOW COLOR CODE BELOW. If botting wasnt against the rules there wouldnt be a need for a bot check NOW WOULD IT?

I understand that a lot of you like to just "leave things be, its not hurting anyone" "if you don't want free wins, dont click" and constantly trying to avoid problems which isnt you dying from lag, but the point of this is - he is botting. He is using a macro program that simply spams F1 over and over again. If you really need proof if you cant see that from screenshots or actually going there yourself YOU ARE CLEARLY RETARDED

Thats like saying OH THAT GUY IN LIBRA POSTING ADVERTS FOR GOLD SELLING SITES TYPES THAT MANUALLY http://forums.warppo...tyle_emoticons/default/happy.gif I NEED PROOF THAT HE IS A BOT http://forums.warppo...tyle_emoticons/default/happy.gif

Im not trying to defend Yurai, but you guys should seriously stop being all anime like with your friendship and justice pokemon with a spice of 4chan logic. I personally think you're all unsuccessfully bashing on Yurai instead of discussing an actual problem or proving that there is none. So far anyone who tried to make sense against Yurai made a "YURAI YUR A EXPLOITER TOO! YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO COMPLAIN! YOU COMPLAIN ALL THE TIME! STOP COMPLAINING!"

[Devikn]

As already mentioned, holding F1 (or placing a rock on top if it) will only register once and, therefore, will not result in the spamming of F1 seen in those rooms. -__-

And your edit was not a bug. -___- They already played 1000+ pvp matches in THQ and just needed one more match for it to register with the new medals. *facepalm*

-I admit, I was wrong about the holding F1-Spam thing, in fact you need to repeat the "pressing F1" proccess to spam and not "hold it". I wouldn't come here to say that without trying it before, and I was almost sure when I tried it (Holding F1) it did spam the -Start Match Requests- but now, when I tried again, that wasn't working, so I guess I thought I was holding F1 but I wasn't. So my apologizes on that, my mistake. "-__-" (Editting on previous post)

About the Bug Part, I made it clear that it was a "RUMOR" I've heard, and mentioned I could be wrong about it, and in fact I was, I just forgot about the battles fought by THQ players, and thought that a real bug happened since I heard alot of players like "Oh wow, I fought 1 battle and got Last Boyscout", but I see once again I was wrong and I'm here to admit my mistake. *facepalm* eh?

Try talking in one of the room and watch your text disappear as it is replaced by the message "must be ready to start" faster than someone can actually press f1. Do this several times and record it. You have proof. Also, if the person was actually there they would respond or kick you.

Yes I know, I was neutral about it (Not on Botter's side nor Complainers' side) but after I tested once again the "Hold F1 Key Spam" and see it didn't work, I can say with some certain "These players DO use macros or other botting softwares". I just change my opnion now, they are botting yes, but what they are doing is HARMLESS, won't make harm to anyone, they are just there being botters. About reporting or not, my opnion is: "If they aren't harming or stopping me of doing anything in want in game, there is no need to report them".

When it comes to botting, it is clear that botting is against the rules of the game. THERE IS A BOT CHECK HELLO!?!?!!!! You know that thing when it says HI IM COLIN AND I NEED YOUR HELP. PLEASE CLICK ON THE NUMBER HOW MANY Fs THERE ARE IN THIS RAINBOW COLOR CODE BELOW. If botting wasnt against the rules there wouldnt be a need for a bot check NOW WOULD IT?

I understand that a lot of you like to just "leave things be, its not hurting anyone" "if you don't want free wins, dont click" and constantly trying to avoid problems which isnt you dying from lag, but the point of this is - he is botting. He is using a macro program that simply spams F1 over and over again. If you really need proof if you cant see that from screenshots or actually going there yourself YOU ARE CLEARLY RETARDED

Alright, listen dude, I TOTALLY KNOW THEY ARE AFK THERE USING ANY KIND OF WAY TO SPAM F1, But what I meant before by "How can you actually prove they are botters?" by the fact I "thought" you could hold F1 with any object and spam it, It would be just an alternative way to "spam endless battles" and not "Bot" using any specific macro or software.

After testing it, I realized you can't spam F1, so I already apologized for that mistake, and once again I say.

I'M NOT ASKING "LITERALLY" FOR ANY PROOF THAT THEY ARE BOTTERS, IF YOU READ MY POST INSTEAD OF SUPPOSING I AM A RETARD, YOU COULD UNDERSTAND I DIDN'T MEAN IT.

Thats like saying OH THAT GUY IN LIBRA POSTING ADVERTS FOR GOLD SELLING SITES TYPES THAT MANUALLY http://forums.warppo...tyle_emoticons/default/happy.gif I NEED PROOF THAT HE IS A BOT http://forums.warppo...tyle_emoticons/default/happy.gif

Im not trying to defend Yurai, but you guys should seriously stop being all anime like with your friendship and justice pokemon with a spice of 4chan logic. I personally think you're all unsuccessfully bashing on Yurai instead of discussing an actual problem or proving that there is none. So far anyone who tried to make sense against Yurai made a "YURAI YUR A EXPLOITER TOO! YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO COMPLAIN! YOU COMPLAIN ALL THE TIME! STOP COMPLAINING!"

I realize you like to use Caps and use your sarcasm to annoy those you direct word to.

You shouldn't quote me to say "You all are unsuccessfully bashing on Yurai", since I never make posts to complain about X or Y player, I always post with my point of view over the current discussed topic or thread.

And like I say to those who come here with aggressive replies, perhaps looking into "something" (Just using your sarcasm)

-Please be respectful over others' comments and don't be aggresive, use caps nor annoying sarcasms directed to other members of the forum, unless you were "affected" first, but to avoid any Flame War, just end the argument right there.

Devikn

[MugenIttouRyu]

Id like to see a GM's point of view on this rather than posting something that will fuel fire to the flaming. Can a GM please give us input on this issue?

[canajew]

lol

[FunkyPants]

Id like to see a GM's point of view on this rather than posting something that will fuel fire to the flaming. Can a GM please give us input on this issue?

No :3
Haha, but not quote related now...


If GMs were to worry about something like this atm they have bigger problems with this game. (:
The way I see it, at this point, the fix is simple, ignore the free win rooms if you don't want to be a part of them.
There will always be people giving out free wins, as there will always be people wanting free wins, as there will also always be those who don't want them. Until GMs fix all the other problems, I don't see why this should be considered a major issue really, there are other problems in this game that are way more important, those need quick efficient fixing, this.. this is just secondary.
Just my opinion anyway.

Edited by FunkyPants, 19 November 2010 - 02:52 PM.

[Goldysticks]

That is not a bug. A lot of the medals are retroactive. Since the NA version didnt have a normal transition of Veil of Darkness > Paris Strikes Back, it is no wonder no one knows anything about this patch.
I have been preparing for this job change since June (after i job changed on gPotato) because i knew which medals will count after PSB, which ones would be deleted, and which ones to get after PSB.

When it comes to botting, it is clear that botting is against the rules of the game. THERE IS A BOT CHECK HELLO!?!?!!!! You know that thing when it says HI IM COLIN AND I NEED YOUR HELP. PLEASE CLICK ON THE NUMBER HOW MANY Fs THERE ARE IN THIS RAINBOW COLOR CODE BELOW. If botting wasnt against the rules there wouldnt be a need for a bot check NOW WOULD IT?

I understand that a lot of you like to just "leave things be, its not hurting anyone" "if you don't want free wins, dont click" and constantly trying to avoid problems which isnt you dying from lag, but the point of this is - he is botting. He is using a macro program that simply spams F1 over and over again. If you really need proof if you cant see that from screenshots or actually going there yourself YOU ARE CLEARLY RETARDED

Thats like saying OH THAT GUY IN LIBRA POSTING ADVERTS FOR GOLD SELLING SITES TYPES THAT MANUALLY http://forums.warppo...tyle_emoticons/default/happy.gif I NEED PROOF THAT HE IS A BOT http://forums.warppo...tyle_emoticons/default/happy.gif

Im not trying to defend Yurai, but you guys should seriously stop being all anime like with your friendship and justice pokemon with a spice of 4chan logic. I personally think you're all unsuccessfully bashing on Yurai instead of discussing an actual problem or proving that there is none. So far anyone who tried to make sense against Yurai made a "YURAI YUR A EXPLOITER TOO! YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO COMPLAIN! YOU COMPLAIN ALL THE TIME! STOP COMPLAINING!"

"stop being all anime like?" How strong is that statement? A cartoon won't describe a friendship because it's too broad of a subject. There are many genres of anime out there. You should pick better words other than weak statements that don't pinpoint your opinion.

Now, if there was people in monster maps botting, that would be a bigger issue. If people are using programs and bots to hack their way to 65, wouldn't that be a bigger issue? There are many games I've played in with the whole "hold down a key and afk" and I've never heard of anyone getting banned for that. Though, even as we speak, there could be someone in any online game holding down a key and afking anywhere. Do players get banned for that? Perhaps. Unfortunately, there's no bot check in the pvp rooms.

Is it also botting when a group of people make a free room, one logs in and out, without playing, just to get free medals? The difference is one scenerio is a person being afk, and the other isn't. Quote "These rooms are obviously aimed at an easy way out (by botting) in order to gain the PvP medals for achievement points towards job advancement. Surely there's something in the Terms of Service against botting? "

Point is, this matter shouldn't be as major as it should be. If players find loopholes in the game, and the Terms of Service does not state anything about farming Pvp wins/losses, the "botting" will still continue unless DS changes the game. (Perhaps to limit the number times one can PvP if the community overall decides against these practices).

Edited by Goldysticks, 20 November 2010 - 11:27 AM.

[Maronu]

Is it also botting when a group of people make a free room, one logs in and out, without playing, just to get free medals? The difference is one scenerio is a person being afk, and the other isn't. Quote "These rooms are obviously aimed at an easy way out (by botting) in order to gain the PvP medals for achievement points towards job advancement. Surely there's something in the Terms of Service against botting? "

No.

[Devikn]

No :3
Haha, but not quote related now...


If GMs were to worry about something like this atm they have bigger problems with this game. (:
The way I see it, at this point, the fix is simple, ignore the free win rooms if you don't want to be a part of them.
There will always be people giving out free wins, as there will always be people wanting free wins, as there will also always be those who don't want them. Until GMs fix all the other problems, I don't see why this should be considered a major issue really, there are other problems in this game that are way more important, those need quick efficient fixing, this.. this is just secondary.
Just my opinion anyway.

Agree with you Blender, my bro, I know how annoying it is to look up for a PvP and only realize the only rooms are of Free Win Botters, but again saying that, it wouldn't stop someone from coming and creating a room with real pvp fights, also, there are 2 ways out of this. Just join the room and get your free kills.... or stand there AFK, and stop the player from earning his Easy-Fights.

Again, I don't see any reason for all that revolt on these botters. The game might has more serious issues than that, to be solved.

[WolfinGanger]

Fancy that! It's not against the Terms of Service. Because:

1) Who's to say they're there or not?
2) You need proof it's not someone who's holding down F1 when someone enters the room
3) PvPing to lose is not against the rules
4) Anyone can do as they please in PvP as long as it's not hacking or harassing - "spamming F1 and going AFK" is totally fair game
5) It's not abusing any glitches or exploiting loop holes

I think what's worse is people who go in and AFK to block these people from getting losses. I mean, think about it.

"It's not hurting anyone, nor is it against the rules, so Imma just get free losses and let people get easy wins"
versus
"It's not hurting anyone, nor is it against the rules, but Imma be a jerk and AFK here so they can't start the match and get free losses"

I like to troll in a classy fashion. However, I am not a fan of rooster blocking in a children's video game. Then again, that's not really trolling, though some may see it as such(IE: the people who think everything everyone says is LAWL 1337 KAWAII DESU PRO TRAWLIN). It's more of a thing done by people who want to be super-special-awesome. In a terrible children's video game.

[Goldysticks]

No.

Lol okay. One word so contributes to the discussion. Either way, people are getting medals by "botting" or group relogging.

[Maronu]

The difference is one scenerio is a person being afk, and the other isn't.

Being afk and not doing anything vs actually being at the computer and actively doing something makes all the difference. I thought this was so obvious (You even said this.) that I didn't even need to explain, but apparently not. Anyway, I don't really care. Gravity probably won't ban the people botting in pvp rooms, but I would rather be on the safe side and play the game legit, without botting. Botting is a form of cheating, imo, and if Gravity does decide to ban people for botting pvp matches, or Yurai's tickets do get players banned, I'll have zero sympathy. I will laugh actually because the players who bot are putting their characters at risk. Albeit, a small risk, but when something is questionable, you probably shouldn't be doing it. Sure, it's likely that nothing will happen, but it could, and if you value your character, it isn't smart to risk getting banned.

Edited by Maronu, 28 November 2010 - 04:40 PM.

[tunafish]

*edit: haha... I didn't realize the last post was made in November oops.*

Most people got their PVP medals not by playing 1000 games.
Back on THQ (pre-PSB), 1 round of a game (whether it be dm/elim) counted as 1 gameplay.

Basically each game could last anywhere from 3 seconds to 3 minutes (or more if played legitimately).

I myself never really pvp'd, but I did try it out sometime.
After the server swap & patch implementations, I saw a ton of people with this medal.
I checked to see my own progress (thinking I'd only have 3 or 4), and much to my amazement, I had 151.

No way in HELL would I ever play 151 games of PVP, as I'm only playing on Dragon Saga for the PvE bit. [altho recently started pvp'ing]

And to test out the efficiency of this "botting,"
I literally sat at my computer for 3 hours spamming F1 or spam clicking the Start button.
For the most part, people joined the room (probably to see my name and report) and left immediately afterwards.
Some people even tried to talk to me saying things like "You want to trade wins?"
At some point someone did AFK in my room at which I went up to the person and wrote "?"

In the end, I only received about 30 games, and I don't find it being productive to AFK when I could be farming or leveling an alt char.
(I only have this laptop so there's really no way for me to AFK, unless I want everything to melt from overheating overnight)

I suppose those who already have the medal complain tons more than those who don't, which is only fair I guess.
1000 rounds is still a lot of games, and it's true, everything should be earned not cheated through.

I really do want this medal, but I suppose my Legend of Combo will suffice for now. I'm not going to play 800 more games

Edited by tunafish, 06 December 2010 - 07:17 PM.

[papapap]

I agree with making some rule against these afk f1 spammers if they cant win the medal through honest effort they dont deserve to have it.