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#1 Nickuh

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Posted 08 February 2015 - 05:20 AM

Hi I just want to share this one, my Soulmaker HP is  33k+ with no VIP and guild 10%HP.

But when I joined a guild with +1000hp occupation effect. I was expecting that my hp would go 34k + the 10% HP of the guild skill.

 

But after I joined the guild my hp is 34k only which is kinda confusing and also the 10% magic from guild skill didn't activate too same magic power. So it's only the +1000HP that adds up when I joined the guild. Then I activated my VIP so my hp is now 38k, then I decided to rejoin guild i quit the guild and now my HP is 34k what the hell happened? It was like where's the VIP 10%HP+5%VIT Effect, I was expecting for 36K HP. Please help me, and fix this bug please.

 

 

Original HP 33050 With Knightage Gloves
 
With VIP10%hp+5%VIT = 36k+ HP
 
With Guild10%hp+ Fort 1000HP =  41k+ HP
 
Already try reconnecting changing char but still the same.... 
 
 

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Posted 08 February 2015 - 11:34 AM

Sometimes those guild skills stuff up (e.g. skill reset) so maybe it's the same for when you change guilds. Relogging after resetting skills usually fixed it so you can try that and see if there are any changes. If not, then 

 

that's a bug and you should send a ticket. :3

 

edit: I forgot how to read. ;_;


Edited by Lyssina, 08 February 2015 - 11:36 AM.

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Posted 08 February 2015 - 11:49 AM

Hi, just to make 100% sure you're not calculating the HP modifiers wrong, can you please list out:
-Vit shown in window
-Any HP hones you have
-Any buffs affecting VIT or HP (Collector, Blessing, Midgard's Grace etc.)
-Secondary title (if any)
-Active potions, if any

I'm asking because rarely do you see a 33k hp unbuffed SM (needs a ton of VIT runes and hones), so I suspect that it's buffed. HP Modifiers are additive not multiplicative which from your example you seem to be doing. Apologies ahead of time if I'm wrong however.


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Posted 08 February 2015 - 12:04 PM

He's trying to beat your record arby. 69696 hp sm wher


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Posted 08 February 2015 - 12:06 PM

^GL. That's me partially naked and using my osiris spear only. Also, in human form :P


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Posted 08 February 2015 - 05:19 PM

well u need to know that some 1k hp just increase a bit of hp (1k-1.1k) and if u an tell me the exactly ammount of hp u got before and after the buff it will help alot :D (for example: i got 47.719 unbuffed and not 47+)

 

 

 


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Posted 08 February 2015 - 08:02 PM

Hello Arbalist and Lyss this is the Before and after of my HP.

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Posted 08 February 2015 - 08:49 PM

There does seem to be something a bit off, but just for absolutely certainty, can I please ask for the VIT that shows up on your character window and total HP hones if any. 


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Posted 08 February 2015 - 09:18 PM

Ok here's the screenie.

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Posted 08 February 2015 - 10:39 PM

Mystery solved by ANIME guild XD
It was actually only because I managed to find you in Alberta showing a different HP that we got the answer. 1st screenshot was misleading which is why it took so long. TL;DR, there's no bug here.

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Edited by Arbalist, 08 February 2015 - 10:53 PM.

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#11 Nickuh

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Posted 08 February 2015 - 10:54 PM

Here's the screenie of my friend while I'm dueling with goddess member.

That proves that I dont have a normal guild(10%Hp) that time.

I only have one guild ( Resistance ) <3

ScreenCapture_2015_02_07_16_18_57_zpsrng

 


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Posted 08 February 2015 - 11:20 PM

How weird, that messes things up. For now I'm too sleepy to think, but if we figure it out we'll let you know :P


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Posted 09 February 2015 - 12:47 AM

is the guildmaster online?


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Posted 09 February 2015 - 01:34 AM

Well, unfortunately you don’t give much to work with on the first, second and fourth SS. We have proven the second and third SS, the third SS being the base that we were working from since it is what gave a definite number on your VIT and guild status. It is 100% true that the HP from the third SS (38558HP) is right thus proving that your assumption (that you should have ~41kHP) was off. Now going back to your original post, there’s a complete break in between the first and second paragraphs (a break in stat combinations). Assuming what you have said is true, that there was no change in your base VIT between all of your  SS, the 33050HP is completely off and the correct HP should have been ~29855 (By no change in VIT I mean no change in your character aside from VIP and joining a guild).

                What you explain in the second paragraph honestly just looks like you have the chain of events in the wrong order. You went from no guild and no VIP to activating VIP thus increasing your HP to ~34k (you stated that you joined the guild first), then you joined the guild increasing your HP to ~38k and finally left again reducing your HP back to ~34k (I’m assuming you decided to rejoin because you didn’t see the MATK boost which I have no idea why that would happen although sometimes a relog is required for the equip window to update). Arb already proved that the 34245 and 38558 are the correct numbers based on your VIT that you provided with the third SS.

                I seriously think that you had a different combination of armors between your first SS and the second/third because you are missing roughly 266 VIT between the break. Now, if we throw aside the second/third SS and simply work with the info you gave in the beginning (33050HP/No guild/No VIP) we can deduce that you have ~2396 VIT (leaving out decimals), 1000 HP from La Tomatina, and 3295 base HP (HP formula given by Arb earlier so won’t bother explaining the base HP) which comes out to 33047HP (error of 3HP because I left out decimals). There is roughly 14hrs in between your first and second SS and your fourth SS is of the day prior, you could have simply switched armors in that time. This is supported from the fact that in your first SS there are a Himm’s Foot Gear and Arm Cover in your inventory and they are missing from your second/third SS while all the other items in your inventory are roughly the same. Knowing that Himm’s Foot Gear and Arm Cover don’t have VIT and that you mention you were wearing Knightage Arm Cover (which has VIT) explains the discrepancy in VIT from the first and second/third SS although I do admit that VIT from just Knightage Arm Cover isn’t 266 which is why I say armors as in multiple armors were different not just the Arm Covers.

                In the end, numbers don’t lie and there have been no changes in the formulas or items available, by the look of your third SS your character isn’t bugged in any way and you have the correct HP. If you still think your character is bugged, then by all means, send a ticket and have WP check it out. There really isn’t anything else to figure out because you simply don’t have enough information from before you activated VIP and all we can do is speculate.

                In any case, thanks for giving us something to do in-game aside from afk’ing. It’s fun to try and figure out stuff like this. :p_smile:

 

better event than anything from Gravity lel

              


Edited by Chaostamer149, 09 February 2015 - 01:46 AM.

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Posted 09 February 2015 - 02:56 AM

Well, unfortunately you don’t give much to work with on the first, second and fourth SS. We have proven the second and third SS, the third SS being the base that we were working from since it is what gave a definite number on your VIT and guild status. It is 100% true that the HP from the third SS (38558HP) is right thus proving that your assumption (that you should have ~41kHP) was off. Now going back to your original post, there’s a complete break in between the first and second paragraphs (a break in stat combinations). Assuming what you have said is true, that there was no change in your base VIT between all of your  SS, the 33050HP is completely off and the correct HP should have been ~29855 (By no change in VIT I mean no change in your character aside from VIP and joining a guild).

                What you explain in the second paragraph honestly just looks like you have the chain of events in the wrong order. You went from no guild and no VIP to activating VIP thus increasing your HP to ~34k (you stated that you joined the guild first), then you joined the guild increasing your HP to ~38k and finally left again reducing your HP back to ~34k (I’m assuming you decided to rejoin because you didn’t see the MATK boost which I have no idea why that would happen although sometimes a relog is required for the equip window to update). Arb already proved that the 34245 and 38558 are the correct numbers based on your VIT that you provided with the third SS.

                I seriously think that you had a different combination of armors between your first SS and the second/third because you are missing roughly 266 VIT between the break. Now, if we throw aside the second/third SS and simply work with the info you gave in the beginning (33050HP/No guild/No VIP) we can deduce that you have ~2396 VIT (leaving out decimals), 1000 HP from La Tomatina, and 3295 base HP (HP formula given by Arb earlier so won’t bother explaining the base HP) which comes out to 33047HP (error of 3HP because I left out decimals). There is roughly 14hrs in between your first and second SS and your fourth SS is of the day prior, you could have simply switched armors in that time. This is supported from the fact that in your first SS there are a Himm’s Foot Gear and Arm Cover in your inventory and they are missing from your second/third SS while all the other items in your inventory are roughly the same. Knowing that Himm’s Foot Gear and Arm Cover don’t have VIT and that you mention you were wearing Knightage Arm Cover (which has VIT) explains the discrepancy in VIT from the first and second/third SS although I do admit that VIT from just Knightage Arm Cover isn’t 266 which is why I say armors as in multiple armors were different not just the Arm Covers.

                In the end, numbers don’t lie and there have been no changes in the formulas or items available, by the look of your third SS your character isn’t bugged in any way and you have the correct HP. If you still think your character is bugged, then by all means, send a ticket and have WP check it out. There really isn’t anything else to figure out because you simply don’t have enough information from before you activated VIP and all we can do is speculate.

                In any case, thanks for giving us something to do in-game aside from afk’ing. It’s fun to try and figure out stuff like this. :p_smile:

 

better event than anything from Gravity lel

 

Hey I don't have the intention to switch armors to fake my HP. I'm just being true to myself, and this bug that happened to me is not very cool. That makes people speculate that I did something wrong or switching armors. And also my armors are Osiris Set only so I don't have the option to switch what u thinking. And also I don't have himmelmez gears, the one that you can see on my inventory is Lich Gloves and Boots that is not even open or what(trash). I throw them off as you can see my inventory is so full. And also the 1st screenie is as you can see I was about to sleep that time, then came back after 9 hours. And the 2nd screenie shows the HP  before I leave Resistance to rejoin again later.

 

Ok let me do it 1 by 1 so you can see the scenario.

 

1.)  Original HP 33050 ( No VIP and Guild )  -> 1st screenshot ( Before going to bed )

2.)  When i woke up I joined Resistance then my HP is 34000+ only which makes me think that the 10% skills of the guild didn't add up on my character also my magic power didn't increase by 10%. The only thing that add up is the Fortress Ocupation effect ( +1000hp ). I've tried doing changing channel or re logging as my member said it's a bug but still the same.  So I decided to open my VIP thinking that it would help fix the bug, but okay the VIP works it increases my hp 37000+.

3.) So I decided to quit and rejoin the guild later thinking that it would not make deduction, because as I said earlier the 10% HP / Magic didn't add up on me on the 1st place. Only the +1000 HP ( Occupation Effect )

4.) But after I quit the guild it deducts my HP by 10% thinking that okay here's the bug. The guild deducts my HP when I leave as if It didn't add any effects as I said on No. 2. Supposed to be no deduction must happen because it didnt gave me an effect when I 1st join so my hp would be the same when I leave.

5.) Then I joined the guild again and okay the guild skill works now my HP is now 38k. But still it takes something to me that i didnt give me on the 1st place I joined. So I'm expecting to have 41k HP based on my computation:

 

 

Hope you get it


Edited by Nickuh, 09 February 2015 - 03:07 AM.

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Posted 09 February 2015 - 05:57 AM

Are you sure you didn't accidentally switch your equipment between those screenshots? 

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Posted 09 February 2015 - 08:06 AM

Are you sure you didn't accidentally switch your equipment between those screenshots? 

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No toni, I'm not using those. Im using Knightage gloves.


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Posted 09 February 2015 - 10:11 AM

Care to explain what this “computation” of yours is? I’m sorry to say that it is impossible to get 41k with just the VIT you gave on the SS and your title/VIP/castle buff and the fact is you won’t get it again unless you add more VIT/HP buffs.

One more thing, no one is saying you are faking, lying or making things up but it is clear as day that there is a change in VIT between your 33050HP (before the “bug” happened) which you say you got with no VIP and no guild/castle buffs (your fourth SS backs up your statement) and your ending HP of 38558 (which is correct based on SS given). Based on the fact that there is no connection (in stats) between your fourth and third SS where there was no bug involved, I can’t do anything but throw everything that happened in the middle out the window.


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