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[Shinyusuke]

Why didn't they make +80 VIT ones? Do they really want to just endorse 1 shotting without an option to somewhat hope to live against it? 1 shotting a 100k+ BM is an actual thing now.. sigh.

Guess i'll hold my materials in the hopes that one day they'll make them.

Now immagine +80 vit runes and knights whit 150k hp and 100% defence (i know def is capped at 75 but at that point also penetration will be useless)

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Now immagine +80 vit runes and knights whit 150k hp and 100% defence (i know def is capped at 75 but at that point also penetration will be useless)

Cool. Then maybe they wouldn't get 1 shotted, since 150k HP at max defense is still something shield cannon/rage strike would instagib. Also, 150k is something only BMs would reach with those +80s.

[Shinyusuke]

Cool. Then maybe they wouldn't get 1 shotted, since 150k HP at max defense is still something shield cannon/rage strike would instagib. Also, 150k is something only BMs would reach with those +80s.

And then we will have only knights war and bm in this game lol

[deathdelete]

Cool. Then maybe they wouldn't get 1 shotted, since 150k HP at max defense is still something shield cannon/rage strike would instagib. Also, 150k is something only BMs would reach with those +80s.

Here is what gravity did with this game https://m.youtube.co...h?v=oAKG-kbKeIo

Edited by deathdelete, 18 February 2015 - 08:18 AM.

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Why you guys only think in tank classes and PVP? As Wizard PVE player I would be very happy having more HP, would be very useful to survive against FP mobs.
 

[Shinyusuke]

Why you guys only think in tank classes and PVP? As Wizard PVE player I would be very happy having more HP, would be very useful to survive against FP mobs.

I'm talking about 3 classes soloing everything-> devs balance new content for these classes-> no one rolling the other classes since new content being impossible for them.

[Greven79]

Now immagine +80 vit runes and knights whit 150k hp and 100% defence (i know def is capped at 75 but at that point also penetration will be useless)

 

I already had this in another thread, but what is worse: A beastmaster / knight with VIT-80 or with 3% dam.red  CLS runes? 

 

The good thing about VIT is that it's a linear bonus, not exponential like damage reduction. Imagine a character wears CLS runes: 12x 3% = 36% damage reduction; has a good armor seedrune and a bit of PvP-DR honing. It's easy to achieve 60% or more. To achieve the same survivability with VIT runes, he would have to raise his hitpoint total by 90%. And this simple calculation doesn't include other gimmicks, like triggered shield seedrunes, aura shield, knight's shield, ki-protection, endure, assumptio, better honing, etc.

(with 60% DR: 40% damage taken = 2,5 times the original survivability. With 24% DR (no CLS) = ~1.32 times the survivability, so it requires 2,5/1.32 = 1,9 times as much HP => +90%)

 

But of course, I made this statement before I knew that the devs gone insane and allow +50 runes be added to normal rune slots! So now, the question is how they like to compensate for all the extra attack power? VIT runes could have achieved this, but who knows...

 

 

 

 

[Amilus]

Want to ask fellow Rangers, will you use DEX+80(eddga set 18slots)/+50(costumes) to achieve critical hits of 75%+ instead of getting STR+80/50 to achieve P.Attk of over 20k? 

[MingMei]

Want to ask fellow Rangers, will you use DEX+80(eddga set 18slots)/+50(costumes) to achieve critical hits of 75%+ instead of getting STR+80/50 to achieve P.Attk of over 20k? 

 

i dont think its possible to get 75% crit rate for rangers

it should get harder to get more Crit rate once it gets higher 

getting STR would probably be better if you want Damage 

 

i dont base have stats of a lvl 35 ranger though so i cant say for sure

 

if you presently got around 2000 PSE and around 40% crit 

i could say for sure that getting STR would have been better in the DPS department

 

higher PSE and lower crit would favor Agi

While Lower PSE and higher crit would favor STR 

 

Hit vs Accu though im not so sure

Edited by chaseme, 19 February 2015 - 03:48 AM.

[Amilus]

i dont think its possible to get 75% crit rate for rangers

it should get harder to get more Crit rate once it gets higher 

getting STR would probably be better if you want Damage 

 

i dont base have stats of a lvl 35 ranger though so i cant say for sure

 

if you presently got around 2000 PSE and around 40% crit 

i could say for sure that getting STR would have been better in the DPS department

 

higher PSE and lower crit would favor Agi

While Lower PSE and higher crit would favor STR 

 

Hit vs Accu though im not so sure

 

currently my PSE is 2620(VVIP+Midgard's grace+return user event buff) critical hits is only 3324(31.22%)

 

i'm using full set eddga except quiver, i plan to get 2nd set so i can separate PVP and PVE set. now due to the honing, i mixed it currently with 5x +80STR rune, 4x CLS attack rune and 3x CLS DR rune, with no runes on accessories(ignatius mix himmel). 

 

now i feel like in the middle of no way, eddga eq stopped to drop and i sold those 3stars, and found out would it be better off having +80 DEX instead? i think so it may not reach 75%, would be around 55% instead with additional 2k agi.

[MingMei]

accdg. to chaos dragon's stat calc i dont think you could ever reach 50% only 49.99999999999999%

not counting Crit rate buff/item

 

at that rate a 1k Agi would only add 2-3% crit rate which only gets smaller as you get more crit

with your PSE and Crit value you would still get more out of STR instead of AGI

assuming that youd be using it for PVE 

[Amilus]

accdg. to chaos dragon's stat calc i dont think you could ever reach 50% only 49.99999999999999%

not counting Crit rate buff/item

 

at that rate a 1k Agi would only add 2-3% crit rate which only gets smaller as you get more crit

with your PSE and Crit value you would still get more out of STR instead of AGI

assuming that youd be using it for PVE 

 

yes, for PVE purpose as PVP i will be getting CLS runes instead.