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#26 ZeoKenX

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Posted 13 March 2015 - 01:17 AM

Welp,looks like Rangis is screwed LOL XD!


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#27 Necrohealiac

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Posted 13 March 2015 - 04:20 AM

i finally got my thanatos staff
i made a testing to see the power
with int 120, luk 77 and dex 50
level 139
using eden buff plus blessing
 
naked
heal 2310
high heal 7392
 
+11 TSOD Spell 4/4
heal 2557
high heal 8278
 
+9 light of recovery
heal 3500
high heal 11000
 
+7 thanatos staff
heal 2840
high heal 9400
 
i think i will choose thanatos staff in long run since i like the boost in heals, not really far compared to light of recovery. the problem with reovery light is the SP usage makes me puke blood. i havent tried glorious cure wand tho, need to make one.


How's ME damage with it?
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Posted 13 March 2015 - 05:15 AM

the ME damage is similar between [+7 thanos staff + +7 shrine maiden hat + double scaraba spell 2/2 RWC pendants] to [+7 divine cross spell 4 int 4 + +7 shrinemaiden hat + scaraba clip and spiritual ring]. about 40k damage to dullahans.
i prefer my thanos setup since it offers shorter ME cast time and chance to leech damage from magic to help ME mobbing,


Edited by fuyukikun, 13 March 2015 - 07:58 AM.

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#29 Kadelia

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Posted 13 March 2015 - 05:30 AM

i finally got my thanatos staff

i made a testing to see the power

with int 120, luk 77 and dex 50

level 139

using eden buff plus blessing

 

naked

heal 2310

high heal 7392

 

+11 TSOD Spell 4/4

heal 2557

high heal 8278

 

+9 light of recovery

heal 3500

high heal 11000

 

+7 thanatos staff

heal 2840

high heal 9400

 

i think i will choose thanatos staff in long run since i like the boost in heals, not really far compared to light of recovery. the problem with reovery light is the SP usage makes me puke blood. i havent tried glorious cure wand tho, need to make one.

 

why isn't glorious cure wand in that comparison? Or speedy recovery wand? Or the mora set (affection)? Those are the things to beat.

 

I have those things if you want me to test against your +7 thanatos (message me over forum if interested).


Edited by Jaye, 13 March 2015 - 05:33 AM.

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Posted 13 March 2015 - 05:46 AM

i havent make glorious cure wand yet, and havent collect affection set with empo affection wand since i am mostly ME and ado. seldom do party support,
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Posted 13 March 2015 - 05:47 AM

Recovery light +7 heals a bit more than mora set (using regular wand). Glorious Cure wand +10 heals a bit less than recovery light +9, but way less sp consumption. Mora set heals a total of 25% while thanatos staff only 15% (?) It's not necessary to test every thing if you know how the rest heals.

 

Seems like the best wand is still Recovery light for healing amount, but for sp, glorious cure wand. 15% heal doesn't need to be checked really, It's even lower than mora set.


Edited by Astralslayer, 13 March 2015 - 05:50 AM.

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Posted 13 March 2015 - 05:48 AM

Glorious at +12 is like 44% heal power or something, there is no way that the thanos could look good next to it I don't think.


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Posted 13 March 2015 - 06:11 AM

Recovery light +7 heals a bit more than mora set (using regular wand). Glorious Cure wand +10 heals a bit less than recovery light +9, but way less sp consumption. Mora set heals a total of 25% while thanatos staff only 15% (?) It's not necessary to test every thing if you know how the rest heals.

Seems like the best wand is still Recovery light for healing amount, but for sp, glorious cure wand. 15% heal doesn't need to be checked really, It's even lower than mora set.

but wearing the whole affection set is a big NO for me, no freedom choosing armor, garment and shoes. i think in terms of power and versatility GCW is still the best, thanatos can be used as alternative. even with double AA card and magnificat, +9 light recovery still draining my mind pretty fast.
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Posted 13 March 2015 - 06:13 AM

Glorious at +12 is like 44% heal power or something, there is no way that the thanos could look good next to it I don't think.

but thanos has 200 base matk and level 4 weapon. one of the highest matk weapon for one handed staff. i think it is very versatile for decent heal and good ME.

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Posted 13 March 2015 - 06:19 AM

but wearing the whole affection set is a big NO for me, no freedom choosing armor, garment and shoes. i think in terms of power and versatility GCW is still the best, thanatos can be used as alternative. even with double AA card and magnificat, +9 light recovery still draining my mind pretty fast.

 

I have a recovery light +9, AA wings with Heal4, and I never run out of SP or burn sp items, It's not the staff, It's how you're using it.

 

Healing staff +10 is as good as thanatos staff (1.5% x 10 upgrades), but healing staff +6 is as good as thanatos staff if you wear belevolent guardian.

 

Seems like even a Recovery light +3 can beat thanatos staff

 

 

but thanos has 200 base matk and level 4 weapon. one of the highest matk weapon for one handed staff. i think it is very versatile for decent heal and good ME.

 

Would be bad in both aspects, +200 matk isnt THAT high in the heal formula (maybe the +6 int is, but still not eough) and for ME, you're missing the extra damage of holy stick/divine cross to demon+undead wich can affect a lot the total damage, depending on the rest of your gear. (And the 25% damage reduction from divine cross too)

 

For ME I'd rather test the Devil's tower staff instead of thanatos one


Edited by Astralslayer, 13 March 2015 - 06:24 AM.

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Posted 13 March 2015 - 06:55 AM

Matk adds a negligible effect to heal
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Posted 13 March 2015 - 08:01 AM

I have a recovery light +9, AA wings with Heal4, and I never run out of SP or burn sp items, It's not the staff, It's how you're using it.

 

Healing staff +10 is as good as thanatos staff (1.5% x 10 upgrades), but healing staff +6 is as good as thanatos staff if you wear belevolent guardian.

 

Seems like even a Recovery light +3 can beat thanatos staff

 

yeah, my playstyle is bad, i was the only AB on high TI and people are so suicidal. so keep spamming skills to resque them, making my SP runs out easily. maybe Recovery Light is effective for stable party where you have more than 1 AB and the party members know what they are doing.

 

Would be bad in both aspects, +200 matk isnt THAT high in the heal formula (maybe the +6 int is, but still not eough) and for ME, you're missing the extra damage of holy stick/divine cross to demon+undead wich can affect a lot the total damage, depending on the rest of your gear. (And the 25% damage reduction from divine cross too)

 

For ME I'd rather test the Devil's tower staff instead of thanatos one

 

 

the ME damage is similar between [+7 thanos staff + +7 shrine maiden hat + double scaraba spell 2/2 RWC pendants] to [+7 divine cross spell 4 int 4 + +7 shrinemaiden hat + scaraba clip and spiritual ring]. about 40k damage to dullahans.
i prefer my thanos setup since it offers shorter ME cast time and chance to leech damage from magic to help ME mobbing,


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Posted 13 March 2015 - 08:13 AM

I have a recovery light +9, AA wings with Heal4, and I never run out of SP or burn sp items, It's not the staff, It's how you're using it.

 

Healing staff +10 is as good as thanatos staff (1.5% x 10 upgrades), but healing staff +6 is as good as thanatos staff if you wear belevolent guardian.

 

Seems like even a Recovery light +3 can beat thanatos staff

 

 

 

Would be bad in both aspects, +200 matk isnt THAT high in the heal formula (maybe the +6 int is, but still not eough) and for ME, you're missing the extra damage of holy stick/divine cross to demon+undead wich can affect a lot the total damage, depending on the rest of your gear. (And the 25% damage reduction from divine cross too)

 

For ME I'd rather test the Devil's tower staff instead of thanatos one

 

 

 

the ME damage is similar between [+7 thanos staff + +7 shrine maiden hat + double scaraba spell 2/2 RWC pendants] to [+7 divine cross spell 4 int 4 + +7 shrinemaiden hat + scaraba clip and spiritual ring]. about 40k damage to dullahans.
i prefer my thanos setup since it offers shorter ME cast time and chance to leech damage from magic to help ME mobbing,

 

 

I meant Devil's tower staff, AKA Evil Slayer Vanquisher Staff [1]


Edited by Astralslayer, 13 March 2015 - 08:20 AM.

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Posted 13 March 2015 - 08:45 AM

I have a recovery light +9, AA wings with Heal4, and I never run out of SP or burn sp items, It's not the staff, It's how you're using it.

 

Healing staff +10 is as good as thanatos staff (1.5% x 10 upgrades), but healing staff +6 is as good as thanatos staff if you wear belevolent guardian.

 

Seems like even a Recovery light +3 can beat thanatos staff

 

WTF?! you partys must be awesome, because gearing +9 Recovery Light [1] + AAWings with Heal 4 and never run out SP, i cant do it on Biolabs4, of course if my party have another AB, gearing AACard and my party members know what they are doing yes, i can do it, (sadly i found so many players with mora/eden gears on bio or players who dont know how to play their class, like Sorcerer spamming PW with bad damage and dont have ME/SE... yes, you can found people like that)

 

Anyway, i think thanos staff cant beat Glorious Staff in term Healing, but for ME Players must be awesome pretty nice heal and good MATK for damage.

 

Go Fuyukikun i believe in you trap heart and continue testing AB gears <3


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Posted 13 March 2015 - 08:56 AM

Even a +0 Geffen Magic Robe [1] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>orlean's gown

I want it ... ><"
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Posted 13 March 2015 - 09:06 AM

Btw, how many coin do I need to exchange for the Robe?
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Posted 13 March 2015 - 09:07 AM

>Not spamming every buff unless it's about to end/ends

>If someone dies, cast agi/bless instead of cantocandidus/clementia

>Renovatio on tanks or people with high hp, 35k+ if possible

>Magnificat all the time, but don't spam It unless the AB dies

>Don't cast colusos heal for to heal 1-2 members, a personal heal is better

>Try to spam sanctuary, if you have gear that boost your heal, a sanctuary can heal 1.5k+ hp

>Force them to heal themselves too, heal until 90% hp is reached, if the player doesn't heal him/herself 80%

>Praefatio for everyone, KE for people that can get hurt before praefatio ends, assumptio for tanks

>If you're low on SP, use an ancilla, and as soon as you have full sp, try to make the ancillas used, one per time.

>If you have time, try to sit or don't move for 10 secs, It improves highly your sp recovery

 

That's all what I can remember atm for saving sp with recovery light +9


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Posted 13 March 2015 - 09:32 AM

Btw, how many coin do I need to exchange for the Robe?

 

1.8K Geffen coins

 

>Not spamming every buff unless it's about to end/ends

>If someone dies, cast agi/bless instead of cantocandidus/clementia

>Renovatio on tanks or people with high hp, 35k+ if possible

>Magnificat all the time, but don't spam It unless the AB dies

>Don't cast colusos heal for to heal 1-2 members, a personal heal is better

>Try to spam sanctuary, if you have gear that boost your heal, a sanctuary can heal 1.5k+ hp

>Force them to heal themselves too, heal until 90% hp is reached, if the player doesn't heal him/herself 80%

>Praefatio for everyone, KE for people that can get hurt before praefatio ends, assumptio for tanks

>If you're low on SP, use an ancilla, and as soon as you have full sp, try to make the ancillas used, one per time.

>If you have time, try to sit or don't move for 10 secs, It improves highly your sp recovery

 

That's all what I can remember atm for saving sp with recovery light +9

 

2.- Depend, example: RKs is a "must be" for me.

5.- Obviously no lol

7.- well that maybe yes, but for me i dont like leave him/her with any damage, so heal until they full HP.

9.- Ermmm, what is the point you waste 30% SP, to recovery 15%?

10.- Ok, i can say so many bad things but well, for lv 99 or less yeah work, for partys on 135+, even in Gramps quest i cant believe on "sit".


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Posted 13 March 2015 - 11:08 PM

How's ME damage with it?

 

i tested ME on dark priests:

 

+12 divine cross spell 3/4, spiritual ring, clip set: 52k-71k

+7 thanatos staff, 2x RWC spell 3/3 (one w/scaraba card): 38k-50k

+9 empowered mace of judgment spell 2/2 (my default 1h weapon): 41k-51k

 

neither beats divine cross, and thanatos staff will need upgrading to be better than my current 1h weapon

 

so then i looked at heals

divine cross: 2.6k-2.8k

thanatos: 2.8k-3k

mace of judgment: 2.5k-2.7k

 

high heal

divine cross: 8.2k-8.9k

thanatos: 9.4k-9.7k

mace of judgment: 8.3k-8.8k

 

of course pure heal staffs like glorious cure wand will be better, but it's still better than what i use now for support (my glorious cure wand is on my other account and i am absolutely not using a recovery light on an ME priest)


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Posted 14 March 2015 - 12:47 AM

Will they add thanatos items to malangdo enchant list? Or are they enchantable some other way?


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Posted 14 March 2015 - 12:52 AM

not enchantable


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Posted 14 March 2015 - 12:54 AM

Has anyone tried Thanos katar?

 

I'm using a 4xHF Various Jur, and I only use potions when in critical condition (very seldom) and when I'm on delay after EDP (and I try to avoid that). The problem is the damage output. I'm thinking of carding Thanos with a HF, to check if I can still play without healing items, but the proc rate will probably be so low that it won't be worth.

 

Thanos Katar's ATK, on the other hand, is awesome... so I might just use it for auto-attack/crit MvPs (the new Wanderer in Geffen Tournament has such a high Flee) and Angra Mantis.

 

I'm still like... 8 days away from getting it.


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Posted 14 March 2015 - 01:43 AM

Has anyone tried Thanos katar?

 

I'm using a 4xHF Various Jur, and I only use potions when in critical condition (very seldom) and when I'm on delay after EDP (and I try to avoid that). The problem is the damage output. I'm thinking of carding Thanos with a HF, to check if I can still play without healing items, but the proc rate will probably be so low that it won't be worth.

 

Thanos Katar's ATK, on the other hand, is awesome... so I might just use it for auto-attack/crit MvPs (the new Wanderer in Geffen Tournament has such a high Flee) and Angra Mantis.

 

I'm still like... 8 days away from getting it.

 

thanos violin and whip also have insane 200 ATK. how about making 9 char in vip accounrt, all level 120. you can get 20-30 shards per day. and every weapon can be made in one day.
 


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Posted 14 March 2015 - 02:26 AM

with 4 thief classes u can make a weapon per day already, using steal on every single mob i get a minimum of 50 shards on each of mine gxes. 

Also i got my thanos katar already, +7 it, testing on eggs, it deals better dmg than my +9 Blood tears[2xHF] FS11, as well as my +12 GBR lol. Will be making 2 or 3 more of this katar, 1 to put huntere fly, 1 for general dmg card, 1 for AK, and 1 for aunoe.


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Posted 14 March 2015 - 06:45 AM

with 4 thief classes u can make a weapon per day already, using steal on every single mob i get a minimum of 50 shards on each of mine gxes. 

 

I only have one char above 120 xP

 

Also, thanks for the info on the katar ^^


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