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#1 Campitor

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Posted 17 March 2015 - 02:06 PM

So last week Oda put in Troy's slotting coupons on the classic server unfortunately at this time they have no use what so ever.

 

One Idea I proposed to Oda is to turn them into a mid headgear slotting coupon where the users get to choose what head gear they want slotted at around a 66% success chance (reality 70%).

 

Headgears to be converted if brought to the NPC with the coupon are as follows:

 

Sunglasses
Geek Glasses
Takius Blindfold
Elven Ears
Glasses

 

 

Am I missing any slotted mid gears that can be obtained?

Should we do this? Thoughts?


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#2 Xellie

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Posted 17 March 2015 - 02:16 PM

You think a rare pay to win coupon like that should wield a success rate?

 

I think we need to be able to choose what our mids are, because of the hotkey limitations on classic, you are treating it like renewal.

 

willing to give brief 10 minute sinx lesson to demonstrate problem.

 

edit: no issues with it keeping a sucess/fail rate if this is an item that makes it into ingame circulation, such as trading up mvp gear (remember the original eat gear?) for the coupons, woe reward, mvp drop, etc.

 

the RNG madness needs to calm down somewhat tho.


Edited by Xellie, 17 March 2015 - 02:17 PM.

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Posted 17 March 2015 - 02:53 PM

You think a rare pay to win coupon like that should wield a success rate?

 

I think we need to be able to choose what our mids are, because of the hotkey limitations on classic, you are treating it like renewal.

 

willing to give brief 10 minute sinx lesson to demonstrate problem.

 

edit: no issues with it keeping a sucess/fail rate if this is an item that makes it into ingame circulation, such as trading up mvp gear (remember the original eat gear?) for the coupons, woe reward, mvp drop, etc.

 

the RNG madness needs to calm down somewhat tho.

 

^ This.


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Posted 17 March 2015 - 02:55 PM

are you guys really planning to do that? >.<

 

 

 

 

PD; i don't think that's necesary


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Posted 17 March 2015 - 04:58 PM

oh uhhh how to get takius blindfold? That was lucky box only!

 

 also there's no point to slotting a non slot takius since it gives the two int people might want anyway.


Edited by Xellie, 17 March 2015 - 05:00 PM.

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Posted 18 March 2015 - 09:19 AM

aww i wanted to use slot ad on wind katars

 

oh well i guess an alternative could be to make non slotted katar of piercing wind not so rare drop


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Posted 18 March 2015 - 09:20 AM

aww i wanted to use slot ad on wind katars

 

oh well i guess an alternative could be to make non slotted katar of piercing wind not so rare drop

 

They should anyway, just like the other low rate equips


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Posted 18 March 2015 - 04:39 PM

I'd rather just have the original slot ad.


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Posted 18 March 2015 - 05:16 PM

I like the idea of allowing people to use the coupons to somehow obtain a slotted mid, especially of their choice. But what if people were to choose what they used the coupon for in general?

 

What if there was an npc that, maybe for a' price' (doesn't have to be zeny), would give you a slotted mid-gear coupon (with the %60ish success rate) in exchange for the other slot coupons we have now?

 

You think a rare pay to win coupon like that should wield a success rate?

 

 

I don't quite understand this statement. Do you mean it shouldn't have a chance to fail or it shouldn't have such a chance to succeed?

 

In response to the general and often passive/unspoken fear of s.mids becoming more easily obtainable... I'm curious to know if this is still around. If it is....

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Posted 18 March 2015 - 05:31 PM

I didn't see any response commenting that more slotted mids would be bad? I think the idea is that they need to be more available so that its not hard for startups to get "meta gear".

 

For some reason the staff hate the idea of us being able to keep all our mids in one type of gear. So I have hero and MP in sunny and I can't swap with my other mids because hotkeys so every woe I have to trade around and actually its annoying we only have 27 hotkeys on classic, not 36 like renewal, so start treating classic like classic and stop wasting our time with success chances to get super rare gear that is actually a necessity (when we paid for it)

 

especially when the rng of the lucky box can give us a ready slotted takius or a fail attempt at a slot mid.

 

This is serious, if we want more people to woe etc, then slotted mids need to be a semi-valuable but common and easy to get item.
 

 

No matter how much or little real money an in-game item costs, no item should grant a player an exclusive advantage depending on their disposable income.

 

 

Thus, RNG to RNG to get mids, = double pay to win. Fix this crap.


Edited by Xellie, 18 March 2015 - 05:32 PM.

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Posted 18 March 2015 - 06:28 PM

I didn't see any response commenting that more slotted mids would be bad? I think the idea is that they need to be more available so that its not hard for startups to get "meta gear".

 

For some reason the staff hate the idea of us being able to keep all our mids in one type of gear. So I have hero and MP in sunny and I can't swap with my other mids because hotkeys so every woe I have to trade around and actually its annoying we only have 27 hotkeys on classic, not 36 like renewal, so start treating classic like classic and stop wasting our time with success chances to get super rare gear that is actually a necessity (when we paid for it)

 

especially when the rng of the lucky box can give us a ready slotted takius or a fail attempt at a slot mid.

 

This is serious, if we want more people to woe etc, then slotted mids need to be a semi-valuable but common and easy to get item.
 

 

Thus, RNG to RNG to get mids, = double pay to win. Fix this crap.

 

I never thought I'd say this but I agree with you completely on this. But that has been the generic response in the past, that better availability of s.sunnies would be bad for the server in some way. I'm not sure about adding hotkeys even though I would love that as well. But making more s.mids and good gear available to everyone, especially new players, is a great step forward.

 

And then once great changes like this are added, they even more importantly need to be advertised very well. Though not sure if my ideas for that would be very good...

 

Oh and also zeny sink pls.

 

Edited for coherence, blah


Edited by Naida, 18 March 2015 - 06:30 PM.

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Posted 18 March 2015 - 06:44 PM

I've never been anti-slot mid :P

 

moreover, I think they need to be obtainable ingame.... yanno... reasons to actually play and do stuff and make the server look lively so more people play instead of this "buy stuff, no reason to log in after levelling" craziness.


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Posted 18 March 2015 - 06:45 PM

I agree as well. I spent a decent chunk of money going for slotting advertisements to slot some gears. That is one of the big deciding factors on purchasing a lot of the boxes. To swap it out with *just* a sunny coupon (10% chance for s. mid) is really discouraging. If your not going to implement it as is (slot advertisement), please consider an exchange for a slotted mid that's currently in the game. If you have to do a RNG, please do a much larger option then 10%.

 

We were mislead, we shouldn't be punished for that especially when it is real money investments we are talking about :P <3


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Posted 18 March 2015 - 07:17 PM

Slot ads arnt a new item, not their fault you guys are confused. Kinda pointless putting them in when any gear that could be slotted is worth less than the kp spent on the coupon though.


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Posted 18 March 2015 - 07:54 PM

Slot ads arnt a new item, not their fault you guys are confused. 

 

That is besides the point. This isn't a punishment, players would have made these same concerns earlier had enough people known which coupon it would be. Players were asked to give feedback for the lucky box event, and maybe it's too late to change the items now, but both parties are doing what they can. If it is in Gravity's interest to remedy the situation somehow in a way that is fair and harmless, how is it pointless?


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Posted 19 March 2015 - 02:32 AM

What Rate means is you guys can't use "oh I thought they were sunny coupons" as an excuse. Anyone's who's played RO in the past 5 years should've heard of them, and if you were confused by the name then a cursory look at any number of the RO DBs on the net would've cleared things up. If you want leverage then think of something else, like "mid slots are meta they need to be accessible to prevent elitist shenanigans via gear lockouts".


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Posted 19 March 2015 - 03:26 AM

Or Oda should ask us before putting in something like that. tbh I forgot those things existed.


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Posted 19 March 2015 - 07:16 AM

What Rate means is you guys can't use "oh I thought they were sunny coupons" as an excuse. Anyone's who's played RO in the past 5 years should've heard of them, and if you were confused by the name then a cursory look at any number of the RO DBs on the net would've cleared things up. If you want leverage then think of something else, like "mid slots are meta they need to be accessible to prevent elitist shenanigans via gear lockouts".

 

Players are not wrong for thinking that the list of items were a response to player feedback. We let the GMs know what we wanted to see in the boxes, they put in what they think we wanted to see. We saw in the list of items what we wanted from the boxes. I will say I'm a little surprised the troy slot coupon was requested, but the posts asking for slotted mids were still greater. A clearer distinction should have been made.


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Posted 19 March 2015 - 01:43 PM

Then don't buy them? pretty easy.


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Posted 19 March 2015 - 01:45 PM

what was she wearing syndrome


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Posted 19 March 2015 - 01:57 PM

Then don't buy them? pretty easy.

 

Please don't discourage people from reading the forums, it's counter-productive.

:p_swt:

 

To keep on topic, I think players should have the option of using the troy npc to slot an icepick or whichever, or to exchange the coupon for a very high chance (70% or above), if not 100%, to get a slotted mid headgear of one's choice.


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Posted 20 March 2015 - 01:15 AM

To keep on topic, I think players should have the option of using the troy npc to slot an icepick or whichever, or to exchange the coupon for a very high chance (70% or above), if not 100%, to get a slotted mid headgear of one's choice.

 

2 midheadgears from a box is a bit too much. easy solution is just remove those coupons from boxes and make an npc to let you trade the coupon into a box or two.

i have a couple of those coupons myself but i think it is overdoing it if you put takius slotted one and then another coupon for slotting with +70%~100% 


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Posted 20 March 2015 - 02:06 PM

2 midheadgears from a box is a bit too much.

 

Lol For who exactly? Please explain how two midheadgears is too much.


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Posted 20 March 2015 - 02:57 PM

I dont think he explained himself clearly there, he was saying that having the following items in one box is a bit much:

Slotted Takius

Slotting Coupon

Unslotted Takius you need to use the coupon with

 

There's no doubt that this is a bit of fiasco and that slotted mids of all types need to be equally available for people who want to keep same types for hotkeys or even just to look the way they want. If you want to make mids more available look at this quest you introduced a couple of years ago http://forums.warppo...ds-quest-guide/ if you updated it to reflect the current market (mids being ~100m) you could probably make it a cheaper option for some people if you increased the chance of the Geek Glasses coupon to 100% and made it cost 10-30m per quest in mats. They're still account bound and that would mean people who want them to get stun/sleep/whatever immune are able to do so at a bargain price. This could be supported by the coupons dropping in challenge dungeon/instances or however you want to manage it. If you dont want them to be 100% you can always lower the cost to attempt the quest (it still requires VIP too dont forget) and just allow people to repeat it for a higher cost (maybe a magic stone to reset your progress).

 

You're also missing Mini Glasses from your list of available Slotted Mids.


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Posted 20 March 2015 - 03:53 PM

I dont think he explained himself clearly there, he was saying that having the following items in one box is a bit much:

Slotted Takius

Slotting Coupon

Unslotted Takius you need to use the coupon with

 

There's no doubt that this is a bit of fiasco and that slotted mids of all types need to be equally available for people who want to keep same types for hotkeys or even just to look the way they want. If you want to make mids more available look at this quest you introduced a couple of years ago http://forums.warppo...ds-quest-guide/ if you updated it to reflect the current market (mids being ~100m) you could probably make it a cheaper option for some people if you increased the chance of the Geek Glasses coupon to 100% and made it cost 10-30m per quest in mats. They're still account bound and that would mean people who want them to get stun/sleep/whatever immune are able to do so at a bargain price. This could be supported by the coupons dropping in challenge dungeon/instances or however you want to manage it. If you dont want them to be 100% you can always lower the cost to attempt the quest (it still requires VIP too dont forget) and just allow people to repeat it for a higher cost (maybe a magic stone to reset your progress).

 

You're also missing Mini Glasses from your list of available Slotted Mids.

 

Are you talking about making slotted mids more available or just the types? Because I think 10m is too much zeny, and looking at that quest would give me a headache if I didn't already have one (and that's just for a 33% chance??? PFFT). I don't think slotted mids should be considered end-game items. And one of the biggest turn offs for new players I think would be the monopoly being held by a certain population of the server to make profit by hoarding specialty (lucky box) items and thus controlling their price range. The solution I think would be to make certain items (particularly event or kafra items) more widely available.

 

And because I can never say this enough, zeny sink plx.


Edited by Naida, 20 March 2015 - 03:54 PM.

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