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#51 Gn1ydnu

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Posted 05 May 2015 - 11:16 AM

More end game content is also important. I have surgested that and wrote up a decent amount on it. No one thing will fix this, but a combination is needed. This is part of that combination. We have to tap into the pserver pop and they won't come currently. A woe like this, as stated before, is a great marketing tool.

Get people to log in and want to play here well offering other things to do. Just end game content (like you and I have surgested) will mostly be effective at helping keep players here and active. We need a way to get a significant pop boost, something relatively drastic and fun.
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Posted 05 May 2015 - 11:35 AM

pvm content on iro is a joke with res tokens

 

i was really looking forwards to doing endless tower without mini boss/mvp/god items/res tokens on ggro  :wah:


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Posted 05 May 2015 - 11:36 AM

So just don't use those things?


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Posted 05 May 2015 - 11:38 AM

there's no motivation or reward when it's an artificial restriction 


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Posted 05 May 2015 - 11:41 AM

idk, I do ET 2x a week without reflect because it's faster, better and kind of cheaper.

 

Same with not using tokens, it's cheaper

 

God items and mvps... there has to be SOME point to earning them lol


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Posted 05 May 2015 - 11:51 AM

There's a lot of potential for PVM content on Classic.

They just need ideas to make something challenging. You can request that res tokens be disabled.

Not sure how many of you guys have done Faceworm on renewal, but the items that drop are dependent on how fast you clear the instance.

It's still random, but the potential to get the best items comes from faster times.

 

If they could do something similar with Classic, that would be pretty badass.

Or at least have some type of time trial reward system.

 

Idk it's just hard to think of stuff when the game is so restrictive.


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Posted 05 May 2015 - 11:59 AM


 

Idk it's just hard to think of stuff when the game is so restrictive.

 

I agree completely. It is also tough to get concrete answers on what can/can't be done. Then you run into the problem of finally coming up with some sort of idea and worrying about who your going to piss off with it.

 

Caring about a server simply sucks.

 

It is sad that amazing ideas like this will fall through the cracks and never be noticed. There is a lot wrong with Classic. There is so much in fact that any sort of recovery will take a long time, if it is even possible at this point. I still believe there is hope for it to become somewhat healthy again and retain a good population. However, it needs some changes and some new stuff which IMHO does include a new type of WoE.

 

It is so much easier to bash other people's ideas and I do it. It is much harder to come up with alternatives.


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Posted 05 May 2015 - 12:04 PM

I agree completely. It is also tough to get concrete answers on what can/can't be done. Then you run into the problem of finally coming up with some sort of idea and worrying about who your going to piss off with it.

 

Caring about a server simply sucks.

 

It is sad that amazing ideas like this will fall through the cracks and never be noticed. There is a lot wrong with Classic. There is so much in fact that any sort of recovery will take a long time, if it is even possible at this point. I still believe there is hope for it to become somewhat healthy again and retain a good population. However, it needs some changes and some new stuff which IMHO does include a new type of WoE.

 

It is so much easier to bash other people's ideas and I do it. It is much harder to come up with alternatives.

 

The passive aggressiveness is really annoying Alex, I've done nothing but post ideas and alternatives for the past couple of years, to be shot down by yourself often enough. The reason I haven't posted an alternative for the Alicel hat is because the concept alone is much more powerful for classic than it is on renewal. We don't need 190 aspd procs and that certainly won't do anything more than "de-vanilla" the server even more. What we need is more maps, pk enabled maps, challenging bosses, scenarios for balanced pvp/gvg.... not silly renewal equips that drive certain classes into crazy overdrive mode.

 

You can, of course, feel free to post calculations about how I'm wrong regarding survival with/without beret.

 

edit: Alicel hat would be great for pvm tho, so long as it's disabled on mvp maps.


Edited by Xellie, 05 May 2015 - 12:06 PM.

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Posted 05 May 2015 - 12:13 PM

The passive aggressiveness is really annoying Alex, I've done nothing but post ideas and alternatives for the past couple of years, to be shot down by yourself often enough. The reason I haven't posted an alternative for the Alicel hat is because the concept alone is much more powerful for classic than it is on renewal. We don't need 190 aspd procs and that certainly won't do anything more than "de-vanilla" the server even more. What we need is more maps, pk enabled maps, challenging bosses, scenarios for balanced pvp/gvg.... not silly renewal equips that drive certain classes into crazy overdrive mode.

 

You can, of course, feel free to post calculations about how I'm wrong regarding survival with/without beret.

 

Oh god. Not this again....

 

There is nothing passive aggressive. You need to get over yourself and stop personalizing everything. Nothing I wrote here was meant to be "aggressive" towards you at all, besides maybe a reality check in the last sentence.

 

Judge me based on actions of years ago, that is fine. People change. Opinions change. Priorities change. Change is the only consistent thing in life.

 

The last post is linked to something offering more maps, challenging bosses, new end game equipment (new twinblades +/- HBP), party based leveling systems, more end game PVM challenges ect. So to imply that all that I care about is renewal equips is ridiculous and ignorant. Copy of that link is here. For the other renewal headgear that Scuba was talking about, I made 1 simple post about it here. That is all. These assumptions are crazy

 

If you can't handle this thread or suggestions then please leave. I don't want my time investment to doing something that I feel can help the server wasted by you wasting time/space by taking things personally when they aren't even personal. In fact, please put me on your ignore list if you take things so personally that I can't even post opinions. If you can't handle what I say when I am acting appropriately and you make things personal, then ignore me.

 

Again, your not important. I don't have any desire to go out of my way to make things personal towards you and I haven't in a long time. Your of no value or importance to me.


Edited by Gn1ydnu, 05 May 2015 - 12:22 PM.

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Posted 05 May 2015 - 12:24 PM

Oh god. Not this again....

 

There is nothing passive aggressive. You need to get over yourself and stop personalizing everything. Nothing I wrote here was meant to be "aggressive" towards you at all, besides maybe a reality check in the last sentence.

 

Judge me based on actions of years ago, that is fine. People change. Opinions change. Priorities change. Change is the only consistent thing in life.

 

The last post is linked to something offering more maps, challenging bosses, new end game equipment (new twinblades +/- HBP), party based leveling systems, more end game PVM challenges ect. So to imply that all that I care about is renewal equips is ridiculous and ignorant. Copy of that link is here.

 

If you can't handle this thread or suggestions then please leave. I don't want my time investment to doing something that I feel can help the server wasted by you wasting time/space by taking things personally when they aren't even personal. In fact, please put me on your ignore list if you take things so personally that I can't even post opinions. If you can't handle what I say when I am acting appropriately and you make things personal, then ignore me.

 

Again, your not important. I don't have any desire to go out of my way to make things personal towards you and I haven't in a long time. Your of no value or importance to me.

 

"nothing was intended to be aggressive except that last thing I said, but it's not personal even though I made a personal statement in that but its not personal its you not me because its not personal despite me saying that"

 

You are on my ignore list but you always seem to insist on replying to me everywhere else, so I gave it a shot working with you. But no, I can't do it, because you just literally proved that you can't yourself.

 

You can't even be BOTHERED to address the factual post I made about the Alicel, chalking it up to bashing when you can't really dispute what I pointed out about headgear not actually making a difference to survival. The fact that most of my post was agreeing with you actually gets overlooked, because Alex would rather make a lot more personal shots.

 

I'm going to stop clicking the view anyway button and let you continue talking to yourself and your 2~3 buddies about ideas that are never going to happen because frankly nobody on this server can talk to eachother.


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Posted 05 May 2015 - 12:25 PM

And just remember if I take my 80 people off the server you won't have anyone to play vs.... Believe me when I say NOBODY ELSE is going to make a guild.


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#62 Gn1ydnu

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Posted 05 May 2015 - 01:14 PM

The fact that most of my post was agreeing with you actually gets overlooked, because Alex would rather make a lot more personal shots.

 

Nicola,

 

I see no personal shots at you. There are none. In fact I could link you to all of the times I gave you credit where it was due, agreed with you, or was very respectful towards you. I have taken no shots at you. I might have a difference of opinion, but again those were done in a respectful manor. 

 

If you can't move on from the past and are hung up when I have done everything possible to do the right thing... There is nothing more I can do. That all falls on you.

 

@the threat. wtf? lol

 

I just feel like your making a mountain out of a mole hill, except there was no mole hill to begin with. You seem to have some resentments towards me that you have not worked through. Either ignore me or get over the past. I don't hold the past against you. If you chose to hold it against me, that is understandable, but this is a juvenile and inappropriate way of dealing with it. 

 

Let's get back on topic or I'll just restart the thread. I don't want to have another thread go through 20 pages of bs and hide the entire point/idea inside of the shuffle of personal issues. 


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Posted 05 May 2015 - 01:25 PM

And just remember if I take my 80 people off the server you won't have anyone to play vs.... Believe me when I say NOBODY ELSE is going to make a guild.

 

how many times have you threatened to quit? your threats don't hold any weight anymore 

 

if there was no one to fight then they simply wouldn't play


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Posted 05 May 2015 - 01:32 PM

You get it Aaron, congratulations.


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Posted 05 May 2015 - 01:37 PM

Nicola, what did I do (specifically) to offend you. I just reviewed all of my posts besides this page and couldn't find anything.

I already feel ostracized and like I'm walking on egg shells to the point that I switched server due to it.

As of right now all that I can conclude is that your trying to provoke me and that's the reason why you posted blowing up on me. I see no other reasons as I have been respectful.

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Posted 14 October 2015 - 12:28 PM

+1,042 for this idea!


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Posted 14 October 2015 - 02:11 PM

Edited: Posted on the wrong thread.


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Posted 14 October 2015 - 11:23 PM

I dont play enough classic to say much, but I know there are three kinds of fun. One is domination over others, one is being rewarded (god pieces), three challenges. 

 

I don't know the state of classic woe, but if its what I heard, small guilds can't survive. First kind of fun will not be cured, because the nature of this game's mechanic. Creating a ground for the last two type of joy is doable under circumstances. Here is what I think could happen (notice I didn't use should):

1. Reward mechanism

If Practice Edition doesn't reward god pieces, smaller items like combat knife, infiltrator katar rewards, ice pick. Whatever that helps smaller guild with newer player to level or enter the normal woe with proper gear. Each week should have reward different, phen card, smokie card, water armor, etc (with chances, like a waffle). I thought about rewarding them with potions, but no one wants potions when you are so advanced.

 

Set up lower rates for drops in Practice Edition, perhaps big guilds won't be interested in it. But it does make newer guilds to move forward and someday able to slowing close up the gaps against bigger guilds.  

 

2. Create balance between new and old guilds/ Challenged Fun

  • Set a limit of levels or trans/non trans for entering.
  • A guild leader will only be able to keep 7 members from his/her guild
  • Rest of the participants will be randomly assigned to other guilds or perhaps to their original guild if random selection says so.
  • I am unclear about how much people are wiling to do Practice edition,  but it should be split evenly and to a definite number of guilds/team.

I know I am not a guild leader and I have no idea if it will cover up the expense if you give them supplies. I am not even sure if people even intent to find fun and spice up things after all these years of domination, pretty sure some people quit because of its the same repeating thing.

 

Now before you bombard me with criticism, I want to remind you this:

I don't spend my well cherished free time in classic or even renewal now days. I play pvm in renewal. 

I didn't read the previous comments or topics about this, I am just randomly thinking about how to introduce a new ground of woe. 

 

Lastly, I don't know how to code games, I don't know if anything I suggested is even possible. But what I know is a long time ago there was this NPC in eden group kitchen (renewal) gave daily reward of BB, OCA, enrich stones. If you can code those, why not reward winning guilds combat knife, ice pick, or potions, common cards? As long as players individually get some okay reward, nothing is too bad. 

 

Crushing the item market? The odds are most of these participants are not old players, and rewarding them with these is simply very good and they will just keep it. As long as you can find a good point on the drop rates of those rewards from NPC. 

 

Have you guys thought about what would happen if every month there is some weird woe like first class woe, or just woe with theifs or or bard lol. Weird stuff, but sounds fun.


Edited by MisterWrong, 14 October 2015 - 11:24 PM.

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