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[marvsragna]

I'm still confused if hybrid style is decent, so I post my personal build for all around usage. I would like to hear critics.

I'm still 150/50 but I'm planning to be like this at
at 175/60, my stats and skill builds:

Str: 90+5
Agi: 86+4
Vit: 110+6
Int: 90+10
Dex: 90+8
Luk: 80+4
total stat points remaining: 0

IB Level 5
DB: Level 10
DBW: Level 10
DBM: Level 10
RM: Level 10
EB: Level 5
SW: Level 5

My main leveling skills are IB/DB/DBW. At 150 I'm doing decent damage with IB: 20k for fire weaklings using +9RTE x3 AS, or DB damage using +9TGL x2AS EA10 for 70k damage. My concern is that IB has GLOBAL cooldown not skill cooldown, so I can't cast IB+DB in fast succession, which makes me sad.

My gears now:
+9 Maestro Turkey
+9 GMR of Ares
+9 FAW Menblatt EA10
+9 Sup. E. Variant
2x Ur 250sp

So my questions are:
1. Is 80 luk not good? currently have AA Turkey + AS BFG for sp usage.
2. Is my agi too high as well? Havent tested if I can hit high aspd with these, but now at 150 my Aspd hits 186 with 60agi, with Inc.Agi, 2hand quick, berserk pots and celermine.
3. Is this build good for woe? haven't done a single woe before but probably in the future.
4. Are hybrid style accepted in bio4 party? yes can spam DB with sacra+strings but still cast time slower than those temporal RKs.
5. I'm not really sure about luk, honestly it's just for my AA cards, though I have +9 Vana. I'll revamp my stat build if you think the luk is useless.
6. Is this good for MVPing? I mean high tier MVPs.

Thanks for hearing my story.

Edited by marvsragna, 25 June 2015 - 04:31 PM.

[hotel]

1. if it's purely for AA bonuses why not just 77 luk?

2. agi is personal preference really, just depends on how much you're willing to spend on consumables/other things to hit 193 (assuming that's your goal)

3. it'll work but it won't be optimal

4. only skill you need for bio4 is db and wdb so you'll still get accepted. you aren't going to be as effective but that shouldn't be a huge issue

5. i'd go for 77

6. high tier mvps are typically killed with db, since your build is not optimised for that it won't be as good as it could be. you can still kill lower tier mvps with frenzy ctrl click or ignition break though.

[marvsragna]

1. if it's purely for AA bonuses why not just 77 luk?
2. agi is personal preference really, just depends on how much you're willing to spend on consumables/other things to hit 193 (assuming that's your goal)
3. it'll work but it won't be optimal
4. only skill you need for bio4 is db and wdb so you'll still get accepted. you aren't going to be as effective but that shouldn't be a huge issue
5. i'd go for 77
6. high tier mvps are typically killed with db, since your build is not optimised for that it won't be as good as it could be. you can still kill lower tier mvps with frenzy ctrl click or ignition break though.

first off thanks hotel for your critic.

1. my dilemna is choosing between 77luk and 80luk. I will reassemble my luk to 77 only then. though so hard to keep remaining stat points to 0 at 175. I thought 80 is nice as well, +4 with job level 60 to be 84 base total which is divisible by 3. and also I got +9 petal faw crit 10, for 80 base bonus and taw bonus at 20 each base. though I think 77 is just enough.
2. Ill try to reach aspd at east 190 for the least agi, maybe pure 80 is enough.
3. thanks one more question in woe only db is used?
4. I never tried bio4, probably only db/dbw to use, no ib there right?
5. Ill try 77 now. that's a sexy number
6. yea can solo low tier but not high tier using db as well. im not tao holder. so aspd seems really not good for mvp?

I found balancing stats in level 175 hard, with a large variance. I don't like leftovers, or very little stats like 7 in one stat lol

Edited by marvsragna, 25 June 2015 - 03:22 PM.

[kasshin]

I think your main priority is to go for 120 DEX no matter what. Just take points off something else; go with 100 VIT if you have to.

Your rune mastery should be 9 or 10 (probably 10) too; you probably don't NEED sonic wave maxed. Not sure if you are already planning on that and haven't listed it out.

[marvsragna]

I think your main priority is to go for 120 DEX no matter what. Just take points off something else; go with 100 VIT if you have to.

Your rune mastery should be 9 or 10 (probably 10) too; you probably don't NEED sonic wave maxed. Not sure if you are already planning on that and haven't listed it out.

thanks. is the 120 dex for temporal boots? I'm sorry I was wrong my RM is really level 10. I got an info about sonic wave being useless so yea just leave at level 2. At job 60 we got so many skill points allocation so maybe replace the sonic wave to dragon howling? is dragon howling effective? at job 60 I have maxed RM, DB, DBW, IB, EB, and DB mastery, and some spare skill points so thinking of dragon howling. Im not spear though I don't like spears.

[blackCROSSCY]

Trust me and make sure you get sonic wave if you're hybrid and want to kill bako once a week.

[hotel]

first off thanks hotel for your critic.

1. my dilemna is choosing between 77luk and 80luk. I will reassemble my luk to 77 only then. though so hard to keep remaining stat points to 0 at 175. I thought 80 is nice as well, +4 with job level 60 to be 84 base total which is divisible by 3. and also I got +9 petal faw crit 10, for 80 base bonus and taw bonus at 20 each base. though I think 77 is just enough.
2. Ill try to reach aspd at east 190 for the least agi, maybe pure 80 is enough.
3. thanks one more question in woe only db is used?
4. I never tried bio4, probably only db/dbw to use, no ib there right?
5. Ill try 77 now. that's a sexy number
6. yea can solo low tier but not high tier using db as well. im not tao holder. so aspd seems really not good for mvp?

I found balancing stats in level 175 hard, with a large variance. I don't like leftovers, or very little stats like 7 in one stat lol

the best use of an RK's time in woe is db/wdb. if you have good aspd gear you can switch to a bellum claymore/katz + your aspd gear to burn down single targets quickly too.

 

db/wdb are also the only skills you'll be using in bio4.

 

aspd builds aren't very good for killing high tier mvps unless your decked out in high end gear.

Edited by hotel, 25 June 2015 - 08:56 PM.

[RaohSung]

Trust me and make sure you get sonic wave if you're hybrid and want to kill bako once a week.

 

Listen to this ^  wise man. Get Sonic Wave, even if it got a 2 Sec cooldown it is actually a good skill to use. Even more, if you wont have Spear Skills and no Hundred Spears.
SW Do have a lot of Boosting Gear So you can actually achive quite good damage.

[Giroscopic]

Listen to this ^  wise man. Get Sonic Wave, even if it got a 2 Sec cooldown it is actually a good skill to use. Even more, if you wont have Spear Skills and no Hundred Spears.
SW Do have a lot of Boosting Gear So you can actually achive quite good damage.

 Would you mind expanding on this?

 

What is the weekly Bako, and why do we care?

[3452140212150117003]

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[DestinyTalim]

I'm still confused if hybrid style is decent, so I post my personal build for all around usage. I would like to hear critics.

I'm still 150/50 but I'm planning to be like this at
at 175/60, my stats and skill builds:

Str: 90+5
Agi: 86+4
Vit: 110+6
Int: 90+10
Dex: 90+8
Luk: 80+4
total stat points remaining: 0

IB Level 5
DB: Level 10
DBW: Level 10
DBM: Level 10
RM: Level 10
EB: Level 5
SW: Level 5

My main leveling skills are IB/DB/DBW. At 150 I'm doing decent damage with IB: 20k for fire weaklings using +9RTE x3 AS, or DB damage using +9TGL x2AS EA10 for 70k damage. My concern is that IB has GLOBAL cooldown not skill cooldown, so I can't cast IB+DB in fast succession, which makes me sad.

My gears now:
+9 Maestro Turkey
+9 GMR of Ares
+9 FAW Menblatt EA10
+9 Sup. E. Variant
2x Ur 250sp

So my questions are:
1. Is 80 luk not good? currently have AA Turkey + AS BFG for sp usage.
2. Is my agi too high as well? Havent tested if I can hit high aspd with these, but now at 150 my Aspd hits 186 with 60agi, with Inc.Agi, 2hand quick, berserk pots and celermine.
3. Is this build good for woe? haven't done a single woe before but probably in the future.
4. Are hybrid style accepted in bio4 party? yes can spam DB with sacra+strings but still cast time slower than those temporal RKs.
5. I'm not really sure about luk, honestly it's just for my AA cards, though I have +9 Vana. I'll revamp my stat build if you think the luk is useless.
6. Is this good for MVPing? I mean high tier MVPs.

Thanks for hearing my story.

 

Ignition Break is melee, so those Archer Skeleton cards you use for it are useless.  And Ignition Break DOES NOT have global skill delay, that is lizard breath (sometimes called dragon breath).  and for the Human Somatology Laboratory, you will probably get kicked out if you don't use Temporal Dex Boots, I did several times.

Edited by DestinyTalim, 14 July 2015 - 02:17 PM.

[DestinyTalim]

thanks. is the 120 dex for temporal boots? I'm sorry I was wrong my RM is really level 10. I got an info about sonic wave being useless so yea just leave at level 2. At job 60 we got so many skill points allocation so maybe replace the sonic wave to dragon howling? is dragon howling effective? at job 60 I have maxed RM, DB, DBW, IB, EB, and DB mastery, and some spare skill points so thinking of dragon howling. Im not spear though I don't like spears.

 

With full Pertz gear and +9 Black Ribbon, with level 5 Sonic Wave I was able to get more than 150k damage, it's not useless.

[DestinyTalim]

the best use of an RK's time in woe is db/wdb. if you have good aspd gear you can switch to a bellum claymore/katz + your aspd gear to burn down single targets quickly too.

 

db/wdb are also the only skills you'll be using in bio4.

 

aspd builds aren't very good for killing high tier mvps unless your decked out in high end gear.

 

Nope, I use everything but those, usually, otherwise it's including those, at least fire as I don't have water.

[hotel]

Nope, I use everything but those, usually, otherwise it's including those, at least fire as I don't have water.

 

well aren't you just a special little snowflake

[DestinyTalim]

I only said that cause I felt insulted that they think everyone is the same using a lizard with a mage build.

[Giroscopic]

I only said that cause I felt insulted that they think everyone is the same using a lizard with a mage build.

 

Dont mind that Hotel dude, he is always posting how much of a bad idea it is to go melee in most of the Agi posts. There are people like me reading the forums that actually want to look for alternative playstyles than the lizard fest, even if the "Pro's" wont approve.

 

I never once thought about maxing sonic wave and wind cutter. I guess IB covers the wind cutter area component so no need. What you claim about the sonic wave damage is very promising. Care to expand on your gear/stat choices?

 

Also, do you use full throttle? Does it stack with frenzy? im still thinking in using the last free 20 Skill points in either lizard or the other ones. I cant get everything saddly.

[hotel]

the reason i give off that impression is because these are threads made by players asking for rune knight advice. a melee build is more gear dependent and is more for people who know what they are doing. it's not a bad idea to go agi at all, as a matter of fact i have multiple rks and one of them is an agi crit one and i have a blast with it.

 

but i'd prefer to avoid a situation where a new player comes to this class and expects something like gx ctrl-click damage from doing the same. because they're not.

 

sonic wave is actually really good because it's got a 1000% atk modifier and gets boosted by ranged % increases. plus it's got 11 cells of range and a pretty short cooldown.

 

wind cutter is nice for that extra bit of damage and you can max it if you want. not like there are a lot of other skills you can put points into anyway.

 

not sure whether full throttle stacks with frenzy but i'm pretty sure it does.

Edited by hotel, 15 July 2015 - 01:30 PM.

[3452140212150117003]

to be honest i agree with hotel about this. I dont think you should play agiRk if you dont know what you are doing.

[Giroscopic]

to be honest i agree with hotel about this. I dont think you should play agiRk if you dont know what you are doing.

 

HAHAHHAHAHAHA Shouldnt they ?

 

I'm a new player and i don't know what i'm doing. I am probably the worst theorycrafter out there.

 

Why shoulnt i do it? Am i going to break something?

[hotel]

you'll most likely have a hard time. because agi rks do struggle unless they're decked out in expensive gear. and i'm not about to recommend a subpar, obscure, and heavily gear dependent build to any players who don't know enough so that they have to ask for advice.

 

i'm not against the build. like i said i have an agi rk and to be frank it's a hell of a lot more fun than spamming one button over and over. but without funding of hundreds of millions of zeny, it's just going to feel weak.

 

this is just my opinion though, so don't let me stop you doing whatever you want. play whatever you find fun and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

 

some people find an easy build fun, some people like a challenge. to each their own.

Edited by hotel, 15 July 2015 - 06:57 PM.

[kasshin]

You need some sort of AOE skill before getting to a high level. Otherwise if you're a single-target-only build, you're pretty much going to leech your way up completely.

That's why most "AGI RKs" will opt for IB, at least as the first priority skill. But then you're sort of IB build, sort of AGI build? Then you might as well call those IB builds since all you need to be an "IB build" is IB 5, and anyone who knows what they're doing will put in proper stats for leveling.

In summary, pretty much all "AGI RKs" are actually "IB RKs". If they aren't, then there's something wrong with their build.

[Lazaruce]

Not doing hijack but I want to build an RK Hybrid/IB/Sonic Wave Build

Instead of posting another , I'd rather ask it here

 

I just Reset my 129 / 2X Rune Knight to 1 stats and skills (Previously HS/DB Build)

Budget : Limited . Could only work with trading. (Boy , getting a customer in Thor for low-mid end gear sure is hard )

 

Planned Stats : Pretty Much HBP Build (90 Stat Allocation)

 

1 . What would be the best weapon for Sonic Wave gears ?

     I have access to : (Please let me know what's best so I'll go dig for it in case I have stock)

     Peuz Set (Random Enchants)

     +7 Ribbon Headband

     +11 Violet Fear (Fighting Spirit 5/5)

     +8 Alca Bringer

     +11 HBPs (Wakwak/Immune/Giant Whisper/Cenere)

     +9 EMH

      Some Arta mid gears , BDMs and ArchAngeling Elven Ears

     +8 Miraculous Captain's Hat

     +8 3x AS Twin Edge Red

     +9 3x Hunterfly Twin Edge Blue

 

2 . I have CD in mouth and I find it fun to top it up with Advanced Ifrit rings and Alca Bringer to reach Max Aspd with less effort.Should I place INT to make it more fun? If so , should I skip LUK and just go for Crit Boosting items ?

 

 

Will post more later  but thanks in advance to anybody that can help me out

[hotel]

hybrid sonic wave/IB? neither of those skills have a specialised build, so unless you want to hybridise with db it's pretty much just going to be a physical build. you can consult the pinned guide for details about that. otherwise you can just switch gear depending on the situation.

 

best sonic wave gear is a pertz set and a +9 black ribbon i believe. you can get a decent amount of int for enchant blade, but skipping luk isn't recommended since your dps won't be great without crits. if you find autocasts fun then go for it by all means, but if you would like to optimise your single target dps crit is better. an alca bringer is an ok weapon but not the best.

[Lazaruce]

ayt . thanks