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#51 PervySageMarty

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Posted 02 July 2015 - 08:43 PM

Put a like .2 second cool down on all potions and reduce all damage done by players(including pvm HEUEHUE) by 30%. That'll make everything more interesting.

 

Or we could just decrease WoE reductions by -50,000% so people die from anything, therefore eliminating the need to pot, hence no autopot.


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Posted 03 July 2015 - 02:35 AM

I'm taking a neutral side on this Autopot "issue"... or more like, I am open-minded about this whole thing... IDK which, but I hope it's still ok for me to say things about this (and yes, this may become a TL;DR matter for some and I apologize for that):

 

First, the things I've seen so far on reading this thread, it seems Autopot is a problem for a LOT of people, especially those who are against it... a problem which only mostly relates on the PvP side of the game (WoE, PvP).

 

(And, correct me if I'm wrong; this "Autopot" feature; when "legalized" it will be an in-game "System" capable of being activated or deactivated anytime the user wishes it to be, and NOT a downloadable program, third-party or came from the official servers, right? And that the rate in which this "System" uses potions for you can be adjusted by the user, depends on how little or large the HP for your character must be in at first before it activates?)

 

 

Anyways, I'd like to talk about this Autopot's Pros when it comes to the PvM side of the game; all the while putting the issue about Botters abusing it out of the picture for now (and BTW, I've seen a lot of bot who has a fellow bot healer with them, and even if they use Autopot, it's not like they have Unlimited Inventory Storage Works for them to carry a gajillion of HP restoration items to resist an attack from a monster summoned by a bot hunting GM or a Bloody Branch trolling player for example, for long periods of time, and take note these are mostly only non-transcended 2nd Job Classes with basic Eden Equipment, or possibly even weaker equipment we are talking about; one hit from a powerful or over-leveled monster, and they are dead), anyways getting back on topic;

 

Spoiler

 

For PvP and WoE (might be a bit off-topic but still "Potions" related):

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P.S.: The only time I will care about the PvP aspect of this game is the time when this game adapts the mechanics that the latest hack and slash and side-scrolling action online games use; the ability to control your character, along with MANUALLY dodging attacks through different maneuvers using the directional buttons in your keyboard, the ability to use a normal attack and execute a "Combo" of normal attacks by repeatedly pressing one single button in your keyboard only, and the usage of Skills using the other keyboard buttons, as well as disabling the use of HP recovery items and that the only way to recover SP is to use normal attacks on the opponent, after saving enough SP, one can then able to use a character's skill (this, along with the adjustment of the maximum SP one can gain, as well as the SP requirement for the usage of each skill, only when doing PvP, or maybe even in WoE, and wherein all characters will have ZERO SP at the start of a match, forcing them to use combo attacks on their opponents to gain SP and use a skill, all the while disabling natural HP and SP recovery as well).

 

With this, it will grant the players an, at least, close to level-playing-ground, in that the victor is determined by who has superior personal skill, wit, tactics and strategies, and NOT by how much HP and SP recovery items they carry with them or how expensive and powerful their equipment are, or how high their level are.


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Posted 03 July 2015 - 03:20 AM

Autopot will be good somehow but HG type sura will have a problem regarding that ,oh and also, it will be a hardcore(and long) fight in WOE and PVP, but i suggest if we do this stuff, we must disabled it in PVP and WOE due to the fact not all players can buy good potions in bulk (slim potions,mastela,yggs,oh and the whites and blues) and also, weight limits, for example, Warlock VS Rune Knight, Wizard can't carry too much pots, unlike for the RK's, they can carry a lot, i guess 30-40 yggs will be enough :ani_swt3: ,but we can use it for PVM since monsters are tougher and can do good damages to our character, it will be useful for BIO hunts, MVP and also,for the pullers in TI so that they will not be killed due to not potting since some of us didn't know how to use shortcuts(it will be useful for starters so that their life is easier when they leveling up  :rice: )

 


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Posted 03 July 2015 - 05:10 AM

I don't think server will run smooth if everyone uses autopot in WoE.  We're already lagging when there's 4-5 guilds in 1 realm.  Should probably fix the lag issue first.

 

 

Put a like .2 second cool down on all potions and reduce all damage done by players(including pvm HEUEHUE) by 30%. That'll make everything more interesting.

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Posted 03 July 2015 - 08:00 AM

again : Delay on potions will  break a lot of poor hp classes and autopot will break poor damage classes.

 

does someone still remember super novices? even if no one woe/pvp/pvm with them...


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Posted 03 July 2015 - 01:43 PM

Auto-pot is dumb, and it generates unnecessary traffic, if you legalize it and everyone uses it it will be much worse.

 

What is needed is a small cooldown on restoratives so that you can't abuse the hell of a broken system


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Posted 03 July 2015 - 03:20 PM


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You're basically saying you are unable play unless you are able to cheat.

 

again : Delay on potions will  break a lot of poor hp classes and autopot will break poor damage classes.

 

does someone still remember super novices? even if no one woe/pvp/pvm with them...

If you're unable to solo, you could maybe PARTY WITH SOMEONE!  Heaven forbid we party in a online game.


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Posted 04 July 2015 - 01:30 AM

I see, so people argue that Autopot is "Cheating"; indeed, it is not far off the mark, it is a third party program, a tool, which is originally made to gain advantage over others, especially in the competitive environment of PvP and WoE.
 
However, I presented those suggestions and ideas in my previous post (while taking my stand on a NEUTRAL SIDE) under the assumption that this Automatic Potion Usage will become a part of game's system itself, instead of WP legalizing the use of a Third-Party, or even in-house downloadable "Cheating" tool or program, alongside the said "System" to be only available on fields with monsters in them (its usage and availability in Towns, PvP Areas, Agit Castles and other PvP aspects of the game are not included).
 
I only gave options, ideas and pros, since most of what I've seen about the issue concerning this tool are cons and complaints (and again, mainly on areas concerning the PvP side of the game). As someone on a neutral side, it is required for us to look at both sides of the same coin, to look on both of its positive and negative aspects, and not concentrate on the negativity only and how people abuse a neutral tool that only does what it was originally created for.
 
And just because I gave out the pros, it doesn't and shouldn't be misinterpreted as me agreeing for this system to be put in the game and that I would complain if it did not get implemented and that I will not be able to play unless I am able to "cheat"; in fact, I would like to keep the status quo on potion usage, it's already as good as it is; but if they ever decide to implement an Automatic Potion usage in-game, I won't complain and I won't harbor any negative thoughts and emotions over it (PROVIDED that it is only usable on the PvM side of the game, and never on the PvP side such as PvP and WoE), if they decided NOT to put such system in-game, I also WON'T complain and harbor any negative thoughts and emotions over it. Simple as that.
 
 
Indeed, Autopot is a program that automatically does things for the user; which is akin to a Bot program; therefore I place the Autopot and Bot in the same category, albeit Autopot is something that spams potions for you; which, naturally, can still be accomplished by a human player WHILE actively playing the game.
 
Both of those are tools that can be used for good or bad purposes (Autopot, Bot). I don't know why people usually hate the tool itself, which is inherently neutral, instead of directing that to those who created and uses that tool in the wrong way, for selfish reasons or to gain advantage over others who doesn't have access to it.
 
I also do not understand what the higher-ups are thinking when it comes to talks about Legalizing or Implementing an Autopot mechanic in the game; given that so many people hate such mere, neutral TOOL already?
 
 
 
Autopot and Bot are the same the way I see it, they are just two sides of the same coin. So I guess people who use Bot to help other people through buffs and healing other players who pass by them and asks for a heal and buffs are also Cheaters, since, they basically "unable to help people unless they are able to cheat", and it seems that's how people views it according to my limited observation of the posts.
 
 
 
 
I also have to agree that the Sura combo I mentioned can still be done while spamming potions; provided the shortcut placements are correct and convenient and with little practice, and I can do it without the use of a tool, hence I said that adding a system in-game where the game itself uses potions for you would reduce a player's stress levels, PvM-wise in terms of situations like these.
 
"I find that having Automatic Potion usage would be really helpful in accomplishing such thing while giving less stress on my part." I view it only as a less stressful way of "playing". It doesn't, and will never mean, that I cannot accomplish such thing without relying on a Tool anymore; human capabilities are limitless, surpassing one's limitation is possible albeit it requires one to experience a certain degree of stress.
 
It's all possible, but to some people it might be a stressful thing to do, along with such system providing convenience to the user who doesn't want to stress themselves for whatever reason, PvM-wise. 
 
I can play a Sura just fine using such method; I do not care about "Cheats" at all, I purely judge something as "Cheating" on a purely Subjective basis, and I use such judgment on people and in the way that they use or abuse their tool in order to satisfy a selfish desire; after all, it won't give me any benefit if I hate on a mere TOOL, who only does its job.
 
 
In addition, a lone full support AB who doesn't yet have Coluseo Heal for whatever reason (or even if they have, taking its cooldown, SP requirement and the caster's remaining SP into consideration), frantically supporting and healing a party of 10 people, who are constantly being attacked, while being attacked himself; unless they have a higher level of multitasking abilities, I do not know how else they can deal with the requirement that they must continuously heal and buff every party member while keeping in mind that he must also use potions himself because he is being continuously attacked by a monster; thus, an in-game option of having the game itself use the potions for you might come in handy; but at the end of the day, people argue that such feat, like in my AB Support example can still be done with practice; and I agree as well.
 
But I am a person who, if something is stressful, and can be avoided, I will avoid it; games are meant to be fun indeed, not something that causes people stress. It can go both ways; Autopot or not.
 
 
Better yet, WP, since this issue has stirred the ire of people who hates mere neutral tools, along with other types of people who are against it for any other reason; it would be better to just keep things the way it always was and never implement/legalize such tool; that other people call "Cheat Programs".
 
I am neutral or open minded on the idea of an in-game system providing the players an option to make the game itself use potions for them (AND ONLY ON THE PVM ENVIRONMENT), but if there is a side where I will stand on the "Pro" stance, it would be about "Keeping the status quo, because the current system of potion usage, it's spammability, and which can only be used provided the player presses a shortcut button containing it or double clicks it, is as good as it is already".
 
That or either make damage adjustments in PvM and PvP, in order to make feasible the change in the mechanics of potions into something that regenerates the character's HP/SP for a small amount continuously every second or every 2 seconds, just like those MOBA games, while adding a cooldown which is the same as the duration of these Regenerative Potions; this will surely eliminate the "need" for an Autopot system since one can already multitask while having a peace of mind that their potions are continuously healing them, even if by a small amount, over time, to reduce chances of death.
 
And once again, the only concern here is the PvM usage of such "System"; putting such thing in PvP and WoE will make many people disagree, even for me who stands on a neutral ground; would immediately disagree.
 
I merely stated the pros it can have on the PvM side of the game, PvP and WoE are out of the question.
 
I'd like to observe what this particular gaming society will do about this neutral tool.
 

Edited by Accelolita, 04 July 2015 - 01:33 AM.

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Posted 04 July 2015 - 01:34 AM

PvP and WoE are where the problem is. Nobody cares about AP in PvM.


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Posted 04 July 2015 - 05:30 AM

PvP and WoE are where the problem is. Nobody cares about AP in PvM.

I'm against 3rd party not and bot-like programs in all instances.
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Posted 04 July 2015 - 07:29 AM

The comments here reflect the decaying state of the game


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Posted 04 July 2015 - 07:48 AM

You're basically saying you are unable play unless you are able to cheat.

 

If you're unable to solo, you could maybe PARTY WITH SOMEONE!  Heaven forbid we party in a online game.

 

i was talking more about pvp aspect and maybe woe (not everyone have full MVP alt q )

 

and well delay on pots / autopot would break pvm too...

 

Since the new instances and mvp's are getting Strong(nightmare toy factory for example) autopot would make it too easy and delay on pots would make it too hard

 

but idk exaclty about PVM since my main game is PVP and sometimes WoE
 


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Posted 05 July 2015 - 09:17 AM

 

 

 

MANUALLY dodging attacks through different maneuvers using the directional buttons in your keyboard,

We can't even use keyboard to move, let alone dodge


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Posted 05 July 2015 - 02:49 PM

Im against to this auto-pot as well. Pressing my hot key as fast as i can became natural to me lol. Sometimes i need to get new key board coz of it lol.

And since people has been suggesting about putting cooldown on using pots, this thing worries me on pvm department. Since i dont woe spamming slims is important to me. Killing mvps will be so much harder if i cant use my slims continuously. So hopefully this also can be looked at and not just the woe scene. Chaos Server btw.
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Posted 05 July 2015 - 10:41 PM

Just adding same concern like previous thread, if this AP is coming to Renewal it should come with no-delay blocker program ><

And after some reading on this new topic, i'm interested with those "Regenerative Potions" effect, in fact alot of PS3 games i've played has this kind of function. Curiously i did the test for fun lol, combining the concept/code of Vital Tree Shoes, HP Increase Potion (Large) and Spare Card. Test it with few mvp, not bad at all and i could go easy on other healing item even with 1-3 sec cooldown. Couldn't comment much on the lag problem since it just me on the server, however this testing bring up a question whether "Regenerative Potions" would produce the same lag/problem as AP on real server.

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Posted 06 July 2015 - 03:46 AM

If this implemented, will it has any switch to turn on and off the autopot? Like function option to manage it " heal when hp about 50%" or "heal when hp about 1%" or whatever. Seems this idea too complicated for such simple thing like press a button to heal.
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Posted 15 July 2015 - 04:31 PM

A legalized AP program would be client based not server based... I don't know why you guys Will think it'll cause tremendous lag
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Posted 16 July 2015 - 02:18 PM

Something something way more inputs per second for many users in concentrated areas etc. 


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Posted 16 July 2015 - 02:26 PM

Why is this thread still open? The CMs have already said this will not be done.
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Posted 27 July 2015 - 10:19 AM

losers who need autopot. first autopot. and then? maya hack legal? cuz now i have a slot card for use in other thing. that is cheaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat!!!!!!!!!!!! if you wish things like that play in pvp servers for kids. each thing has 4 slots, shields with 2 slots. that is the place for the players who want play autopot.

 

isnt minecrafts, isnt runner game android. is no mario bross or donkey kong with super helps.  this isnt english test!!!! i dont speak english. and if this is INTERNATIONAL RAGNAROK must has support for latin ppl. 

 

anyway ragnarok each times is more easy to play. BORED

 

 


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Posted 27 July 2015 - 10:20 AM

^best comment of the year
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Posted 27 July 2015 - 10:25 AM

I actually laughed


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Posted 27 July 2015 - 10:52 AM

Why did this get moved to patch notes when it's still a discussion thread? lol


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Posted 27 July 2015 - 11:01 AM

lol this is still alive? was there ever a verdict on this?


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Posted 27 July 2015 - 11:03 AM

losers who need autopot. first autopot. and then? maya hack legal? cuz now i have a slot card for use in other thing. that is cheaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat!!!!!!!!!!!! if you wish things like that play in pvp servers for kids. each thing has 4 slots, shields with 2 slots. that is the place for the players who want play autopot.

 

isnt minecrafts, isnt runner game android. is no mario bross or donkey kong with super helps.  this isnt english test!!!! i dont speak english. and if this is INTERNATIONAL RAGNAROK must has support for latin ppl. 

 

anyway ragnarok each times is more easy to play. BORED

 

Thought this got a thumbs down, so its a moot point now.

That kind of trailed off at the end, but I would like to have some latin support too. My fluency is more or less limited to legal and alchemical studies.

 

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