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#1 Kadelia

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Posted 28 June 2015 - 03:50 PM

Well, I know I am one of the only diehard holdouts performers using skills other than [Severe Rainstorm] and [Gypsy's Kiss], but hopefully with enough information other people can be made interested.
 
Many porings died to  bring us this information.
 
YOU SHOULD KNOW: This wanderer is a level 141/36, and is using a Metallic Sound / Reverberation build. This is 120 base INT a and 80 base DEX! All gear worn during these tests is MATK related. Whenever a whip is used, Moonlit Serenade is also being cast.
 
Presenting..... a lot of data.
 
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Thoughts

 

+12 Rosevine [spell5][spell4]

This used to be the best metallic sound weapon. The average damage of metallic sound is something like 2.2% higher than the next best weapon, the thanatos whip, but only when the thanatos whip isn't optimized for metallic sound (i.e. a card that adds +% damage with magic attacks). This may not be a big deal, and malangdo enchants are expensive for the rosevine, and the thanatos whip is noticibly better at just about everything else.

 

+12 Thanatos Whip

This appears to be the best whip right now, hands down. Its the best for metallic if you card it for magic damage. Its the best for Reverberation even uncarded, and even better with either a magic+% card or any physical +% card. It has a pretty decent arrow vulcan damage. With a skeleton archer card, the damage with arrow vulcan would almost be the same as my (range-perfected!!!) queen's whip. Archer skel also adds damage to reverberation, so if you want to fight with nothing but reverb and arrow vulcan, this is your weapon, and archer skeleton is your card.

 

+9 Queen's Whip [double kingbird][expert archer 5][expert archer 5]

Its a typo in the chart. It's actually +9. This used to be Gypsy's best weapon. Its now not all that useful.If you malangdo enchant it (expert archer 5, expert archer 5) and put two cards in it, it will offer the best arrow vulcan damage you're going to see (until we get the Floral Decoration Microphone, which gives Arrow Vulcan damage +200%). I do not really recommend spending the time/money perfecting one of these, the Thanatos whip is almost as good, and can be used for a lot more stuff. The queen's whip lags in last place for amplified metallic damage. It is quite useful for reverberation damage, but all the whips are just as good.

 

+12 Queen's Leg of Infinity

This was worth testing, since it has high ATK and MATK and performers can equip it. You do not need a whip/instrument to cast either metallic sound or reverberation. However, all the support skills do require one, as does AV, so you're pretty useless with a dagger equipped. What do we get? Worst Reverb damage. Largely due to not having STR on the wanderer. Decent but lagging metallic damage. Given all the drawbacks to not having a whip, this isn't worth considering; rates poorly against thew whips period.

 

+12 RWC Knife [kingbird][worn with pendant/ring for the +120 ATK/MATK]

Well, if STR was the drawback of the queen's leg, the RWC knife should be better. Well, I wasn't wrong. The atk/matk are better, which results in a better reverb. But we're not using amplifiers, so now metallic sucks. And the downsides of a dagger (no spells without swapping, can't AV). Despite being better than the queen's leg at reverb... it's still inferior to all 3 whips. D'oh. Well, daggers are useless is the moral of this story!

 

Conclusion

If you haven't considered the Thanatos Whip [1] up to this point, now you should! It's clearly the best whip.

 

Once we get the Wing Headphone, Reverberation is going to be a fun build! Grab a thana whip, card it, use the hat, and go to town with ~28k or so reverbs that can be spammed at attack speed in magic strings. The wing headphone should make Metallic more fun too, so you can go wild with a Metallic/Reverb wanderer soon.

 

To the Maestros of the World

The Thanatos Guitar is identical to the whip, and moonlit serenade barely changes the damage, so you should see similar results to what I listed above!


Edited by Jaye, 28 June 2015 - 03:53 PM.

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Posted 28 June 2015 - 04:10 PM

 ok thx   :p_omg:  :p_laugh:  :p_love:


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Posted 28 June 2015 - 04:19 PM

Cool! Getting excited at having a Thanos Violin. But what cards that increase matk for weapons can you recommend? ^^


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Posted 28 June 2015 - 04:46 PM

Basically you have

Necromancer (2% mdef bypassing) http://db.irowiki.or...item-info/4440/

 

Ancient Tree (+10% vs undead) http://db.irowiki.or...item-info/4473/

Bradium Golem (+10% vs brute) http://db.irowiki.or...item-info/4472/

Cobalt Mineral (+10% vs formless) http://db.irowiki.or...item-info/4475/

Dolor of Thanatos (+10% vs angel) http://db.irowiki.or...item-info/4398/

Draco Egg (+10% vs dragon) http://db.irowiki.or...item-info/4471/

Hell Apocalypse (+10% vs demon) http://db.irowiki.or...item-info/4477/

Naga card (+10% vs fish) http://db.irowiki.or...item-info/4469/

Nepenthes (+10% vs plant) http://db.irowiki.or...item-info/4470/

Pinguicula (+10% vs insect) http://db.irowiki.or...item-info/4476/

Zakudam (+10% vs demi-human) http://db.irowiki.or...item-info/4474/

 

Zakudam is probably the most useful


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Posted 28 June 2015 - 04:52 PM

I am actually considering skel worker for my whip, as that will increase AV + reverb damage, but also makes it the best whip for the melee 193 aspd build! (the high matk helps w/ CD in mouth)


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Posted 28 June 2015 - 05:06 PM

Ack! No all-purpose matk weapon card, I see. How about AK card, doesn't it work for magic skills?


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Posted 28 June 2015 - 05:30 PM

still contemplating for me to try sound build. seems prety challenging


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Posted 28 June 2015 - 06:04 PM

Ack! No all-purpose matk weapon card, I see. How about AK card, doesn't it work for magic skills?

 

nope

 

AK is physical attacks only.

 

And I don't expect a maestro or wanderer has much business attacking 'boss' protocol monsters with anything but Severe Rainstorm...


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Posted 14 July 2015 - 05:28 PM

Oooh nice. Some hope for my Wandie then <3

 

Mind if I ask all the gears you use for this? I wanna maximize my Reverb and MS damage :D


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Posted 14 July 2015 - 05:51 PM

Uhh, I think I was wearing,

 

+11 Skull Cap of Caster - yours can be +9 or something else like crown of deceit

Miraculous Black Framed Glasses

99 Love Balloons - Can also be ninja scroll

Brynhilldr - You can wear any armor really, 10% matk and a lot of SP is nice tho, but most ppl don't have a bryn.

+12 Deviant Fallen Angel Wing [Spell7][Spell6][Spell6] - Yours doesn't need to be deviant

+12 Superior Temporal Int Shoes - +12 is best for matk but you'll live with +9

2x Sound Amplifier of Mad Witch

 

2015 Event Costumes

Shadow Magical Set (weapon, earring, pendant)

(rest of shadow irrelevant)


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Posted 14 July 2015 - 06:04 PM

Guess I won't be hitting as much then. That bryn is out of my reach :/

And thanks, now ik what to work for. So far I only have the amps and Faw :(
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Posted 14 July 2015 - 06:39 PM

The amps are the most important part so you're already most of the way there lol.

The second most important thing would be getting that whip (130++ matk)


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Posted 07 August 2015 - 04:34 PM

Great guide, thanks!


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Posted 07 August 2015 - 04:54 PM

I might have to do new comparisons with the upcoming ew 14.3 weapons

(Gymnastic ribbon &  Igu's Floral Mic)

 

Predictions:

Best Reverb wep: Still going to be Thanatos Whip [1]

Best 'all situations' weapon: still Thanatos Whip [1]

Best AV wep: Igu's Floral Mic [1]

Best Metallic: Still Rosevine

Best aspd-auto-attack: still Thanatos Whip [1]

 

Big Losers:

Rhythmic Gymnastic's Ribbon [2] : low ATK, low weapon level... the 20% aspd and 2 cards ain't actually worth it. Can already get 193 fairly easily without the 20%.

Queen's Whip [2]: Made WAY obsolete by the Igu's Floral Mic [1]. Seriously. Even with the best malangdo enchants possible, which are very expensive to do.


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Posted 11 November 2015 - 09:27 PM

Necroing :gg:

This is what am looking for !!

 

Thanks Jaye,

My Sub-Char is also a Reverbo Maestro, will try to find Zakudam and upgrade that Thanatos Violin.

Currently using +9Glorious Guitar in PVP...

 

But, Have you tried which is better in PVP? +9Glorious or +9Thana with Zakudam or ArchSkel?


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Posted 11 November 2015 - 09:30 PM

zxakudam is more for metallic. archer skel is better for reverb


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Posted 11 November 2015 - 09:42 PM

ahhhh, so thana kingbird much cheaper yeahhh..

last one, do I need to boost my MATK or Long Range for Reverbo.

 

 


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Posted 12 November 2015 - 06:33 AM

As I just said... long range (skel archer) is better for Reverberation.

 

Reverb damage is 2 parts

Part #1: Ranged Physical

Part #2: Magical

 

Factoids:

  • The physical part tends to do more damage because MDEF is harsher than DEF
  • ATK is easier to buff than MATK.
  • Zakudam would work on 1 race, but Skel Archer works on all races.
  • Expert archer FAW enchants total 20% ranged, while the equivalent Spell enchantments would be +67 MATK (which is probably around 8~12% of a MATK increase for you), So the expert archer is adding more damage to reverb.

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Posted 12 November 2015 - 07:43 AM

Reverb damage is 2 parts

Part #1: Ranged Physical

Part #2: Magical

 

erm... iRO wiki says "This skill acts as a melee hit and is blocked by Safety Wall."

where from info about ranged portion?

calc didn't show difference for Archer skeleton card use and not


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Posted 12 November 2015 - 09:15 AM

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You guys are going to make me test this in game tonight aren't you

My memory of my tests and how the range+% weapon was the second best at reverb had me remembering ranged as working. Your questioning has made me re-evualte that old data and it doesn't look like the ranged mod works. I'll try something more conclusive tonight like an expert archer faw of shooter (+38% ranged mod should be noticeable if it works)

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Posted 14 November 2015 - 10:49 AM

Hey Jaye,do u know what is better for metallic sound?

 

+9 Thanatos Violin [ Zakudam or pinguicula]

 

or 

 

+9 Contabass [2x Zakudam]

 

?

 

I guess Thanatos is better but im curious about this,would be great to see ur opinion since u know a lot about maestro/wanderer.

 

****Considering a total MATK of 500~650

 

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Posted 14 November 2015 - 04:04 PM

The contrabass might be better since the 10% more damage vs demi human might outweigh the extra MATK from overupgrades to the thanatos.

 

erm... iRO wiki says "This skill acts as a melee hit and is blocked by Safety Wall."

where from info about ranged portion?

calc didn't show difference for Archer skeleton card use and not

 

Confirmed it in game - its NOT a ranged attack.


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Posted 23 November 2015 - 05:14 PM

 

Confirmed it in game - its NOT a ranged attack.

 

If Reverbo is not a ranged attack, ranged modifiers won't work...

I thought i could utilize my EA FAW, sad...

 

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Posted 23 November 2015 - 06:26 PM

they should make it a ranged attack, we could use the damage boost. It works from a range, anyways...


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Posted 23 November 2015 - 06:40 PM

TIKI TUESDAY - still waiting


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