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#1 apocasfera1

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Posted 01 July 2015 - 04:14 PM

Hi

I have one sura, and I think (sure ...) this build is a little "wrong", but do not know which is best build for leveling, a autocast (CD and kettle) or Flash Combo.

 

My current stats and skills (116/25):

str - 90

agi - 80

vit - 58

int - 1

dex - 70

luk - 1

 

Skills:

DC - 3

SB - 5

Fallen - 3

TC - 8

FC - 5

 

Equips:

+9 iHPB

Variant

+7 Carga x2 Hunter Fly

Peco Peco carded armor

WPH + Alarm Mask combo

 

With that, I would like to know the best way of leveling, skill tree and equips.


Edited by apocasfera1, 01 July 2015 - 04:15 PM.

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#2 Detrimantix

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Posted 02 July 2015 - 03:03 AM

Wow we have almost the same gear and I'm over 30 levels ahead of you. Honestly I was where you are not too long ago and struggled to find any information that would help me progress. In my experience autocast can work but it's generally more trouble than it's worth as you'll be stuck in Mental Strength potting for survival.

 

I'll give you some advice through my trials and error as to what worked for me. Unlike you I suffered with sky blow until I maxed out Rising Dragon as my SP was always lacking and used Rampage blaster until I could max out Flash Combo then reset to max out Tiger Cannon.

 

If SP is not an issue for you then Flash Combo is by far your best bet, Rampage Blaster kind of caps out around 25kish damage whereas Flash can do well over 50k+ easily with your current gears. However by going for Rising Dragon first instead of Flash Combo you can get by with Rampage Blaster pretty easily until you get Flash, plus with Rising Dragon SP is virtually unlimited and the bonus MHP/MSP from Rising Dragon is nice too.

 

Your stats definitely need a reset, assuming you are going for strictly PvM AGI should be 1, AGI only benefits skills like Sky Blow and Snap which aren't going to help you progress much, you'll either want to pump your VIT or STR to 120 depending on gears. Int is really low so I'm not sure how you plan on spamming Flash Combo without Rideword/Nid/Incubus, I'd recommend atleast 60-80 Int to help with regen prior to Rising Dragon if you decide to go Flash Combo first.

 

To answer your question in simplest terms I would focus on a build like this or something similar. 

 

Stats

 

STR 90 (For HBP bonus+ FC Damage)

AGI 1

VIT 90 (For HBP bonus + FC Damage)

INT 60 (SP Regen before Rising Dragon)

DEX 60 (60 is minimal so Tiger Cannon doesn't miss, should push it to 70+)

LUK 30 (Cheaper global stat boost)

 

Skills

 

Rising Dragon 10

Rampage Blaster 5

Power Absorb

Wind Mill

 

or

 

Flash Combo 5

Tiger Cannon 10

 

 

As for gears I highly recommend an Orleans's Gown, Pecopeco or Porcellio carded should be within your budget easily.Makes spamming skills like Zen and FC while mobbing a breeze. Also since you have a WPH go for the Gozarian Mask as it provides a whopping +30 ATK/MATK with the WPH, and look into some racial reduc Bradium Shields depending where you plan on levelling. The rest of your gear looks good for now, but when you hit 120 STR or VIT you'll be wanting a Snake Skin + STR or VIT Boots to crank up the damage output from Tiger Cannon (Flash Combo).

 

Hope this helps abit, cheers!


Edited by Detrimantix, 02 July 2015 - 03:22 AM.

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#3 apocasfera1

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Posted 02 July 2015 - 08:46 PM

First of all, thx u Detrimantixfor the reply! :D

 

Wow we have almost the same gear and I'm over 30 levels ahead of you. Honestly I was where you are not too long ago and struggled to find any information that would help me progress. In my experience autocast can work but it's generally more trouble than it's worth as you'll be stuck in Mental Strength potting for survival.

 

I looked for some information here in forum, but I got some doubts about the stats and skills, I saw a video on youtube of a autocast sura, this method looks less hard work, and spend less zeny if use a Rudolf Hairband.

 

If SP is not an issue for you then Flash Combo is by far your best bet, Rampage Blaster kind of caps out around 25kish damage whereas Flash can do well over 50k+ easily with your current gears. However by going for Rising Dragon first instead of Flash Combo you can get by with Rampage Blaster pretty easily until you get Flash, plus with Rising Dragon SP is virtually unlimited and the bonus MHP/MSP from Rising Dragon is nice too.

 

So after FC 5 and TC 10, i must get RD 10?, or windmill is more important?.

 

 

As for gears I highly recommend an Orleans's Gown, Pecopeco or Porcellio carded should be within your budget easily.Makes spamming skills like Zen and FC while mobbing a breeze. Also since you have a WPH go for the Gozarian Mask as it provides a whopping +30 ATK/MATK with the WPH, and look into some racial reduc Bradium Shields depending where you plan on levelling. The rest of your gear looks good for now, but when you hit 120 STR or VIT you'll be wanting a Snake Skin + STR or VIT Boots to crank up the damage output from Tiger Cannon (Flash Combo).

Phen < Orlean's gown?, i will buy some carded bradium shields and Gozarian, which influences more in damage STR or VIT?, i have 450m to spend in equips, RWC Ring+pendant is good for FC build?.

 


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#4 Detrimantix

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Posted 02 July 2015 - 09:44 PM

Autocast gears can work no question but if you're going autocast you mind as well go for Revitalize as it stacks with Mental Strength, an ideal setup would be RoFL/RoR + CD + Loli Ruri + Divine Cross/Holy Stick+High Orc Shield or Sheep Hat for the reflect procs. This is good for tanking turn ins as well but keep in mind that if you go this route you will be virtually useless outside of mental strength autocasting.

 

Flash Combo doesn't benefit from Wind Mill as much as Rampage Blaster does as there is virtually no cool down. It's a good thing to have but unless you find yourself getting stunned by mobs I wouldn't worry about it until you max Rising Dragon.

 

And Phen is fine if you have one but Orleans's Gown has less penalty and can be carded whereas Phen you sacrifice an Accessory card slot. And from the best of my knowledge your current gear VIT focused build would be more damage efficient, it's not until you start stacking STR bonuses ATK and % boosts that STR starts to overthrow VIT for damage. Plus with VIT you will be much more durable. I'd say VIT for now then aim for STR later when you can afford better gear but both will yield relatively similar damage output, there won't be a HUGE difference.

 

I use the RWC  ring and pendant myself currently, together they give you a 5% ATK/MATK increase which isn't bad but you might want to enchant or throw a card in them at some point.

 

 

 

 


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#5 ka10

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Posted 02 July 2015 - 11:36 PM

autocast leveling is slow, though it's a viable way to gain levels solo early on since the gear and supply requirements for it are not as harsh as when mobbing and using SB;

anyways, since you're already 116/25, autocast builds should be rather irrelevant;

 

this should be the priority skill setup when/if you do a skill reset and if you decide to stay with the FC route (skipping RB);

note: SB dropped to 1 as TC is the main source of damage - frees up 4 skill points to help you reach PA+RD10 earlier to fully eliminate your SP problems;

 

if you want to reduce damage intake (and thus use less supplies) while FCing, windmill can be of use - do note that its stun chance increases the higher your base level is compared to the mobs';

fast/hard hitting mobs may end up killing you as you FC (since you can't pot for the first ~3 seconds) - windmill is actually more useful for FC as RB just activates instantly;

that said, windmill wouldn't be too necessary for weaker mobs, though it's just 1 extra skill point on your way to PA+RD10 so might as well get it early if you do plan to use it;

 

in the case that you use gozarian for ATK, default WPH and hotkey switch between gozarian (attacking) and alarm mask (healing);

though, if you can get a highly upgraded turkey on head (preferably w/ bungisngis card), that would be way better for improving FC damage - in this case just default the alarm mask and hotkey switch between the turkey and WPH (note: TC damage depends on maxHP not current HP);

 

RWC accessories are only worth it if you have the ideal enchants for them (STR+3/VIT+3/FS3/ATK+3%) and with gold scaraba cards (note: this is talking about 2x rings - which is better than ring+pendant);

otherwise, 2x medal of honor (aco) would be the next best pair (get via TI/OPB>EMB>BG badges);

 

STR vs VIT alone can't have a concerete answer as that would totally depend on the actual gear/stat setup, which will vary;

the better question would be the setup for GFSS(VIT enchant): 120STR+STRboots or 120VIT+VITboots;

they're about the same in terms of damage output in general - however, +9~12 superior STR boots wins once you start capitalizing on %damage gears/cards (definitely applies to biolabs leveling, with high+ CEB and KvM mace) - also, the higher your mHP (gears, base level), the more prominent the difference;

the VIT setup may be inferior damage-wise, though it does give slightly higher mHP (slightly better survivability), and serves as a viable alternative if you don't have access fundwise to a full ATK/%damage setup;

 

cast interruption shouldn't be too big of a deal as you can just snap to safety to zen (or just zen when you teleport after finishing off a mob - this is similar to portal casting a skill where you zen just as you teleport/flywing so by the time you landed somewhere else, there won't be a cast bar visible but you would have finished casting zen without attracting the mobs right away);

even if you really really really think you need uninterruptible cast (you still feel like casting zen while you're mobbed), just hotkey switch a phen accessory - no need to permanently give up a MoH/RWC;

incidentally, instead of pecopeco/porcelio orleans, a glorious suit (mHP+20%) is highly recommended for even more TC damage;

 

Edited by ka10, 02 July 2015 - 11:41 PM.

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Posted 03 July 2015 - 12:52 PM

Honestly ka10 has been around longer than me so I'd take his advice. Speaking of which what's the fastest/cheapest way to earn KvM badges? I've heard the seals quest is good namely Sleipner but those are few and far between, should I just go for Purple Boxes?


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#7 ka10

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Posted 03 July 2015 - 03:42 PM

fastest would be buying bulk OPBs (even less effort by setting up buy-shops)

sleipnir quest is a cheap way, but a bit more effort as you'll be going through the quest several times (w/ alts and/or using reset stones on the nif NPC) and needs the quest to be open (can close fast if many other players are farming it)

you can also farm EMBs from low/mid TI if you have alts; very low cost if you can efficiently solo, though this does take more time

probably should just go with OPBs if you're really in a hurry to get badges and have zeny to spare

 


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#8 apocasfera1

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Posted 03 July 2015 - 05:31 PM

if you go this route you will be virtually useless outside of mental strength autocasting.

 

 

@ka10   "autocast leveling is slow" ... "since you're already 116/25, autocast builds should be rather irrelevant;"

 
I think it's not a good choice, i'll FC build :P
 
 
@Detrimantix Honestly ka10 has been around longer than me so I'd take his advice.

 

Thank you for your help and advice
 
 

@ka 10

How much cost RWC rings with ideal enchants and scabara?, I'll can use until level 175 or in woe/pvp?

 

About Str x Vit damage, u think I just need to buy Str/% equips when i leveling in bio labs or go pvp/woe?, Str equips only works with TGK card?

 

Hylozoist card can be used to farm OPB?


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Posted 03 July 2015 - 08:24 PM

for 1 ring:  RWC rally box (50~60m), gold scaraba card (300~400m) - now the enchants are the hard part, RWC enchant reset 5 ticket box (~70m); so 1 ring can easily cost you over 1 bil (less or way more depending on luck);

and yes, you can use RWC all the way to 175 and WoE/PvP; RWC rings for pure damage, RWC pendants for fast GoH/TC casts;

 

if you do have high upgrade CEB and KvM mace for biolabs/WoE/PvP, the STR setup will definitely be better damage-wise (note this is mainly talking about FC/TC - the VIT setup can be just as good for half/low HP GoHs due to the higher mHP); if by STR equips you mean ATK/%damage/%ATK cards and gears, yes those do work significantly well with tao gunka card - if you have tao already, it's better to start focusing on more ATK rather than more mHP (for FC/TC damage);

 

the OPB drop effect from hylozoist card only works for merchant classes - even then, the drop chance is just too low to be actually used for farming;

players accumulate OPBs over time from doing various instances/MvPing;


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